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2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #2: Electric Boogaloo

4 oct. 2022 à 13 h 35
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Kuzy was able to thrive in Trotzs system. Why couldn’t Barzal.


I think I can answer my own question and say the guys around him.
4 oct. 2022 à 13 h 35
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If he has a monster season then it is possible
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Kuzy was able to thrive in Trotzs system. Why couldn’t Barzal.


I think I can answer my own question and say the guys around him.


Kuznetsov wasn't playing with Josh Bailey
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4 oct. 2022 à 13 h 41
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Kuzy was able to thrive in Trotzs system. Why couldn’t Barzal.


I think I can answer my own question and say the guys around him.


Both parts in my opinion. Kuzy had the advantage of playing with Ovechkin, but Kuzy just fit what Trotz wanted more. It almost felt like him forcing himself to be less creative and mold into a certain type that worked more with Trotz. Barzal didn't fit that "don't be creative, just do exactly what I tell you" as much in my opinion, which fair to him as he had far more to offer than what Trotz wanted. (also might be part of the reason Kuzy struggled under Reirden, Reirden tried to be Trotz-lite without understanding how it worked)
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4 oct. 2022 à 13 h 42
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Both parts in my opinion. Kuzy had the advantage of playing with Ovechkin, but Kuzy just fit what Trotz wanted more. It almost felt like him forcing himself to be less creative and mold into a certain type that worked more with Trotz. Barzal didn't fit that "don't be creative, just do exactly what I tell you" as much in my opinion, which fair to him as he had far more to offer than what Trotz wanted. (also might be part of the reason Kuzy struggled under Reirden, Reirden tried to be Trotz-lite without understanding how it worked)


Trotz didn’t allow Barzal to make reads, you can’t do that to a player who can make high IQ plays at top speed
4 oct. 2022 à 13 h 50
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So Toronto is looking to move a surplus forward (so one of Engvall or Kerfoot) in a deal for a Dman whose already passed through waivers. This mainly to make some room for ZAR (they could do it another way but thats the most simplistic)

And man I hate doing this to the Giraffe but honestly with what I have seen and through doing the maths if they move Engvall they can sign ZAR, keep Kerfoot and Holl, and have a 21 man team. Now it also means waiving Simmonds which im not a huge fan of but ZAR to me has earned a spot and we need to make the 4th line of ZAR-Kampf-Kubel happen its potential is just to good to pass up on
4 oct. 2022 à 13 h 53
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So Toronto is looking to move a surplus forward (so one of Engvall or Kerfoot) in a deal for a Dman whose already passed through waivers to get ZAR signed

And man I hate doing this to the Giraffe but honestly with what I have seen and through doing the maths if they move Engvall they can sign ZAR, keep Holl, and have a 21 man team. Now it also means waiving Simmonds which im not a huge fan of but ZAR to me has earned a spot and we need to make the 4th line of ZAR-Kampf-Kubel happen its to good


IMO they are talking about the Anderson, Simmonds, Malgins, not necessarily Kefoot or Engvall (but maybe)

Frederic Allard (LAK) or Austin Strand (ANA) fit the bill IMO
4 oct. 2022 à 13 h 55
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(Eklund, Bordeleau, Viel healthy scratched)

If Nieto survives past 10 games I'm going to blow my brains out.
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4 oct. 2022 à 13 h 58
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IMO they are talking about the Anderson, Simmonds, Malgins, not necessarily Kefoot or Engvall (but maybe)

Frederic Allard (LAK) or Austin Strand (ANA) fit the bill IMO


I'm starting to think its Engvall as the Leafs have looked good in preseason without him and of the newbies/returnees Malgin, Holmberg, and Robertson have stood out. Simmonds is a guy who yes is past his prime but does the stuff you want in a 4th liner and in certain situations we need him to teach someone a lesson

I think Robertson makes it along with Malgin while Holmberg is a callup. Simmonds going to the marlies or press box is dependent on whose moved

As even if he goes we would have

ZAR (if signed), Kampf, Marner, Jarnkrok, Kerfoot, Robertson, and I dont know why he PK over Matthews...Nylander

But yeah would also explore a Anderson for depth Dman trade

As even without him they could do

Bunts-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-JT-Nylander
Robertson-Jarnkrok-Malgin
ZAR-Kampf-Kubel

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liligren
Gio-Sandin

Extra: Holl
4 oct. 2022 à 14 h 9
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I'm starting to think its Engvall as the Leafs have looked good in preseason without him and of the newbies/returnees Malgin, Holmberg, and Robertson have stood out. Simmonds is a guy who yes is past his prime but does the stuff you want in a 4th liner and in certain situations we need him to teach someone a lesson

I think Robertson makes it along with Malgin while Holmberg is a callup. Simmonds going to the marlies or press box is dependent on whose moved

As even if he goes we would have

ZAR (if signed), Kampf, Marner, Jarnkrok, Kerfoot, Robertson, and I dont know why he PK over Matthews...Nylander

But yeah would also explore a Anderson for depth Dman trade

As even without him they could do

Bunts-Matthews-Marner
Kerfoot-JT-Nylander
Robertson-Jarnkrok-Malgin
ZAR-Kampf-Kubel

Rielly-Brodie
Muzzin-Liligren
Gio-Sandin

Extra: Holl


No question all of Robertson, Steeves, Holmberg, Malgin, have looked great in the PRESEASON but still can't take for granted what Engvall brings, his defense/transition game/PK ability IMO we are going to miss Mikheyev more than we think. I am jacked for the young guys and the potential they have as bottom six forwards, you are not wrong that moving Engvall COULD be ok, I just don't envy the decisions Dubas has to make to get this team cap compliant.
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4 oct. 2022 à 14 h 32
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I believe Trey Fix-Wolansky's waiver window closed earlier today.

Nobody claimed him.

The Short Prince is still a Blue Jacket. This calls for celebration.
4 oct. 2022 à 14 h 36
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4 oct. 2022 à 14 h 48
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4 oct. 2022 à 14 h 50
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Can't believe Nick Beaudin is on waivers. Think he's a future Canadien
4 oct. 2022 à 14 h 51
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Barzals contract should be making Grier sweat. Meier is looooooooooooooming.
I'd say it's pretty bold to think Meier isn't better than Barzal.

Not arguing Barzal isn't worth his BRAND NEW contract, I am a huge Barzal fan but your eyes are drooling $$$$$ as Timo's agent.

Wingers get paid less though. High end wingers generally make a number that starts with a 9, with the exception of Marner (overpay) and Panarin (UFA). A high-end RFA winger is gonna make 9. See Kucherov, Rantanen, Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Kaprizov, etc. I don’t think he’ll get more than Tkachuk unless he has like 110 points this year or something, so somewhere in the 8.5-9.5 range (UFA Forsberg to RFA Tkachuk).
4 oct. 2022 à 14 h 53
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So Toronto is looking to move a surplus forward (so one of Engvall or Kerfoot) in a deal for a Dman whose already passed through waivers. This mainly to make some room for ZAR (they could do it another way but thats the most simplistic)

And man I hate doing this to the Giraffe but honestly with what I have seen and through doing the maths if they move Engvall they can sign ZAR, keep Kerfoot and Holl, and have a 21 man team. Now it also means waiving Simmonds which im not a huge fan of but ZAR to me has earned a spot and we need to make the 4th line of ZAR-Kampf-Kubel happen its potential is just to good to pass up on

You can have Dillon Heatherington for Kerfoot smile
4 oct. 2022 à 14 h 54
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Same with Meier now.. I mean Matthew Tkachuk is 9.5 but Meiers going to argue hes worth more than 9.15/ Barzal.

Hard to argue you're better than Tkachuk as Meier or Petey but not hard to argue being worth more/ equal to Barzal.


I’d maybe pay Meier around 8mil right now, 9 is really stretching it, he puts up another point per game season though, he’s getting a big payday
4 oct. 2022 à 14 h 56
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Can't believe Nick Beaudin is on waivers. Think he's a future Canadien


I could definitely see us claim Beaudin
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4 oct. 2022 à 15 h 4
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You can have Dillon Heatherington for Kerfoot smile


blue jackets legend

i'd take that any day if i was Kyle Dubas
4 oct. 2022 à 16 h 24
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yeah the summary of this hearing isn't really changing my opinion on why this organization should be scorched top to bottom.






They have to create a new word for the utter lack of intelligence displayed here.
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4 oct. 2022 à 16 h 42
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They have to create a new word for the utter lack of intelligence displayed here.

Every time I go play hockey I always call Andrea Skinner and ask if she can turn the lights on for me
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4 oct. 2022 à 16 h 46
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Tweet embed isn't working but "Nick Kypreos on SN590 re the state of the Arizona Coyotes arena: "There are some real rumblings about the boys not being happy down there. Like really upsetting... Even worse (than they were expecting)" "
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4 oct. 2022 à 16 h 53
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Tweet embed isn't working but "Nick Kypreos on SN590 re the state of the Arizona Coyotes arena: "There are some real rumblings about the boys not being happy down there. Like really upsetting... Even worse (than they were expecting)" "

Chychrun to Ottawa confirmed????
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4 oct. 2022 à 17 h 4
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Is NJD actually going to waive him? After losing Studenic for nothing I would be surprised to see him go to. But yes, there is some nice potential there.


Agreed, Leafs need some depth D options


Would be big surprise if Zetterlund hit waiver wire. While we do have to move one guy out, it will likely be Andreas Johnsson or Jesper Boqvist. But Hischier may start year on IR, so that decision could be delayed.

Quoting: LeafsFanForSomeReason
Definitely some similarities there.


Zetterlund is bigger, stronger, not as skilled or as steep in Hockey IQ as Coleman.

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Devils have Siegenthaler, graves, and Bahl on the left side. Zetterlund would be a great fit on PItt , he would score 25+ with Crosby or Malkin


Okhotiuk may be above Bahl in depth chart now. Walsh can also play LD.
4 oct. 2022 à 17 h 11
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Barzals contract should be making Grier sweat. Meier is looooooooooooooming.
I'd say it's pretty bold to think Meier isn't better than Barzal.

Not arguing Barzal isn't worth his BRAND NEW contract, I am a huge Barzal fan but your eyes are drooling $$$$$ as Timo's agent.


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Same with Meier now.. I mean Matthew Tkachuk is 9.5 but Meiers going to argue hes worth more than 9.15/ Barzal.

Hard to argue you're better than Tkachuk as Meier or Petey but not hard to argue being worth more/ equal to Barzal.


Would Barzal be the right comp for Meier, though? Centers and wingers seem to be priced differently. My guess is Meier gets somewhere between Fiala and Boeser deals.
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