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Forum: NHL10 nov. à 20 h 9
Sujet: 2023-24 NHL Season Discussion Thread #1: Here we Go!
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>I genuinely think it's time to let both go.

Ken Holland has failed in his mission to repair the Chiarelli Oilers and there isnt anough of anything to provide any long-term solutions.

1. Inappropriate contracts have been awarded not by merit but via loyalty and inept scouting. Kassian was an egregious overpay. Nurse persists as an egregious overpay. Hyman and Kane will likely regress into egregious overpays. For all we've been sold on players wanting to come play with McDavid, it appears that cash remains king when considering a relocation to Edmonton. As an ex-resident, I very much understand this mentality. A scouting decision led to Campbell being signed over Kuemper, not cash. This is a capped-out team that is likely only competitive for at most four more years, at which point a retool or rebuild is inevitable as the core pieces age out.

2. The residue of what used to be Edmonton's prospect system is lacking. Akey may be quality but everything else is middling at best. In four consecutive drafts, Holland and his team has whiffed on their selections. How different do today's Oilers look if instead of Broberg, Holloway, Bourgault, and Schaefer, they had Zegras, Guhle, Wallstedt, and Beck? This is no revisionist history, these are the names that went directly after the Oilers made draft their selections (in Wallstedt's case, I've just voided the trade with Minnesota. The next player selected was Wyatt Johnson, only reinforcing my point). There is no wisdom at play here, no logic worth following. The franchise has been stripped down to stud in the most feeble attempt at giving this team the illusion of competitiveness. Since the 2017 elimination to the Ducks, the Oilers have had depth issues up front, a weak blueline, and inconsistent goaltending. It is always the same song and dance, no matter the GM, coach, or personnel. Our picks are worth little and our prospects are worth less. The futures needed to buy talent at the deadline aren't here.

Moving Connor and Leon today does so while their value is at their highest: despite Edmonton's horrid start, the reputations of these two players alone demands a king's ransom. The Oilers have failed as an organization and wasted the best chance at eternal glory I have ever seen on NHL ice. It's over.

The only path forward that exists for a team with as many holes as this roster maintains is to start over entirely. No other move matters, as the Oilers will not find a way to solve all of their problems. Every AGM I've tried to run can at most solve 2 of the 4 issues plaguing this team at any time. There just isn't anything left and my bank of good will has run dry.

There's a growing part of me that regrets the Oilers not being forced to relocate to Houston in the early 2000s.</div></div>

I completely agree, it’s like the old saying “reshuffling deck chairs on the titanic”. To many things have gone wrong that a complete overhaul seems like the best way forward to me. Firing Woodcroft isnt going to do anything. It needs to be something bigger.

A similar thing can probably be said about the leafs too, though it’s not quite as bad as in Edmonton right now.
Forum: NHL8 nov. à 17 h 34
Sujet: 2023-24 NHL Season Discussion Thread #1: Here we Go!
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyScotty</b></div><div>There are 2 separate things to review.

1) Hit on Luke Hughes which happened at full speed; going into a corner anticipating a puck battle. Even the announcer says: "it looked like Colton tried to get to the side of Hughes". Yes, Hughes does not have the puck and is going into the boards (so is Colton). Yes this is probably a boarding call. But, he didn't board a defenseless player with his back turned. Why would he expect Hughes to turn AWAY from the puck when they are both going for it at the same time? Colton anticipated that Hughes was going to probably reverse hit (common nowadays in that situation). Hughes was "defenseless" at the very last micro second which makes the play look worse than it could have/should have been. Bednar says the same thing that the announcer did; and had NO problem with the penalty called.

This same play happens dozens of times every NHL game and you rarely see a defensemen "bail out" like that; and Luke Hughes better learn not to let up like that or next time it might be much worse.

2) high stick on Timo Meier. This was Colton and Meier gliding together after the whistle (which you can see at 0:14 Colton is almost stopped); which is mostly not on any camera angle until the tail end of it. Colton sees Meier coming and there is already a ref in between them which means there must have been chirping going on between one or both of them. At the 1:38 mark of the video you can see Meier has his hands/stick raised halfway as does Colton when they come together. Colton does initiate the contact to Meier's face which is why he got the cross-check penalty and the fine by DOPS. This was not "at full speed" and Meier was not "defenseless" nor did he have his back turned.

Nowhere in any of this can you make claims that "Bednar sent him out to do something"; this was a hockey play that turned badly (the hit on Hughes) and an expected response from Meier (understandable) to Colton who then overreacts (not acceptable).

Stop with that BS comparing this to Mangiapane (which was more like Jamie Benn on Mark Stone) and stop making things up that didn't happen: "full speed cross check"</div></div>

First of all I’m not arguing Bednar sent him out to do anything lol, I agree with you on that part

Maybe saying it’s definitely at least a one game suspension is overkill, it’s still a bad hit though