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Forum: NHLil y a 22 heures
Sujet: Forum For News, Rumors, Reactions and Fun Throughout the 2021 Season! (part 4)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian2016</b></div><div>"The Athletic has also learned that the team’s official Tuesday statement regarding the NHL Department of Player Safety head George Parros, following the now-infamous Wilson-Panarin incident Monday, was all Dolan’s doing. But whether Davidson or Gorton were on board with the statement — which could have long-reaching after-effects for the franchise — was not the reason for the twin firings."

-The Athletic

I just read this article so plz disregard everything I previously said. Regardless of what happened behind the scenes, it appears there was a rift developing between ownership and the front office all season. What I don't understand is why Dolan would grow impatient with the rebuild so soon? The Knicks have been terrible for 20 years. I thought the Rangers were on the right track and everyone agreed with that.</div></div>

Good quote but it’s just simply Dolan. He picks fights and sticks to them; more often than not he’s completely wrong.

Elliotte said it as well; Dolan clearly had a plan to fire them, and they didn’t back his cause. He basically put out the statement and management knew (like all of us) a fine was coming. They knew Dolan and the “cancer” he is and had to distance themselves. Dolan clearly is "enacting" his plan as he thinks the ranger should be winning right now
Forum: NHLWed at 4:46 pm
Sujet: Forum For News, Rumors, Reactions and Fun Throughout the 2021 Season! (part 4)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>Well i think them wanting to distance themselves from the statement was the straw that broke the camels back</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsFanForSomeReason</b></div><div>What? Gorton and JD were the guys trying to distance themselves from the statement. How does firing them "clean it up".</div></div>


It just comes down to Dolan being a terrible owner. If you don’t know anything about Dolan or what he’s done before a quick search on YouTube fills yah in. He’s a terrible owner and it’s usually his way or the highway. A disagreement shouldn’t lead to a good gm being fired. For example if Yzerman voiced displeasure with the statement he shouldn’t be fired. Not the same gm obviously but the point being Gorton built a good team with good trades and drafting. Statement or not Dolan seemingly had plans to get rid of management either way which is terrible. A new teams gonna get a good gm for “free” now in a sense without having to look hard.
Forum: NHLWed at 3:16 pm
Sujet: Forum For News, Rumors, Reactions and Fun Throughout the 2021 Season! (part 4)
Here’s my take.

I think the main issue here of why Gordon and JD were fired is because they disagreed with Dolan, Dolan has created a dumpster fire in every New York team he touches and he’s never really touched the Rangers then we can assume dolan has the statement and there was some disagreement with management saying it shouldn’t be put out and then obviously the NHL tells them what the heck and then Dolan fires them because they disagree with him likely not backing his cause. I’d assume there already was something going on for it to happen this fast but this was the “straw that broke the camels back”, and Dolan is petty and has a weak “back” and then now we have one of the best GM’s on the market

Dolan continues to be a cancer to New York
Forum: NHLTue at 4:15 pm
Sujet: Forum For News, Rumors, Reactions and Fun Throughout the 2021 Season! (part 4)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian2016</b></div><div>"We all saw it. There are lines that can't be crossed in this game. There's just zero respect for the game in general. You got one of the star players in this league now that could have gotten seriously, seriously hurt in that incident,"

-David Quinn

Panarin is out for the remainder of the season, according to bleacher report. Not a big surprise.</div></div>

I’m so shocked he’d got fined. Like that’s more shocking than if he got 20 games or something. It’s pretty disgusting that Panarin’s injury doesn’t even seem to have factored in their decision (it shouldn’t have to but that’s the way it works - he shoulda got suspended and with an injury that should increased it).
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 12:58 am
Sujet: Can we get some respect on Kanes name - Kane is underrated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OutCold13</b></div><div>On the ice I see the fit however I refuse to believe Reeves and Kane can coexist in the same locker room. Also like you said the whole rivalry thing the last problem is the salary cap but what can I say Vegas finds a way to make things happen.</div></div>

yeah Vegas isnt as good if they can keep patches cheap. I misread his stats for my examples. And also haha yeah but it would be good TV with a behind the scenes 24/7 type deal

Florida still the best, though if you go into my recent posts youll see Kane to Ottawa; ottawa, I sold kane low to just float the idea (with a return like Dadonov, Logan Brown, and a 2nd; seeming somewhat okay, with Abaramov, LBrown, 2nd seeming close); Out there but Kane in Ottawa does seem plausible when discussing fits.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 12:55 am
Sujet: Can we get some respect on Kanes name - Kane is underrated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>Nobody really debates that he's a good player, but I don't think a trade is even possible. Isn't San Jose still likely to terminate his contract this summer due to his gambling debts? Last I remember from that story was that they had been granted a 90 day extension on the deadline, but that terminating his contract would still be the most likely course of action.</div></div>

Yeah I haven't seen much on it at all. Nor do I think there is a exact idea on whats gonna happen. As the Sharks said theyre committed to helping him and paying him but there is the idea if buying out the contract to help him in court (not the exact wording but that's paraphrasing of the idea ive seen floated).

I would assume Sheng Peng or Kevin Kurz would be the first update us in the future

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AustonMatthews3443</b></div><div>No I don't think it's bad contract, I just think no matter who you are teams have a hard time clearing 7 million dollars in cap space as most teams are up against the limit to make a trade.</div></div>

Oh I agree but the point being if the Sharks and said team workout the money I don't think anyone can say he himself isnt worth 7
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 12:51 am
Sujet: Can we get some respect on Kanes name - Kane is underrated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Claesson4Norris</b></div><div>Paccioretty is <strong>much</strong> better than Kane, and is already a perfect fit with Mark Stone. Arguably the best Duo in the NHL.</div></div>
<a href="/users/OutCold13" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@OutCold13</a>
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>I agree with Florida but here’s a REAL DOSEY.

Vegas. I think Vegas is by far the best fit and if Vegas EVER GETS A CHANCE to acquire Kane I think they should do it. No, they need to do it.

Rivalry blood is OBVIOUS. But can you imagine Vegas swapping Patches for Kane and additionally just Kane is such a perfect fit on paper. Kane - Center - Stone is just a scary thought. Idc who the Center is; you throw that line out there I think you can tell
Tampa/ Colorado to relax on the cup aspirations.</div></div>

Apologies I misread Patches stats. I thought it said 27 points. He has 27 assists. I compeltly misread his stats and so my comments on him are dumb lol
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 12:43 am
Sujet: Can we get some respect on Kanes name - Kane is underrated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OutCold13</b></div><div>Yeah as I was typing I was thinking I'm not really adding much here but at least I can reaffirm what you are putting out there.

Now for the important part, who is the right team for this deal?what would Kane be looking for.
One team that makes some sense to me would be the Florida Panthers. They don't have a playoff roster IMO and could definitely use a Kane. As far as Kane's motivation considering his current financial issues a tax free state would seem like decent motivation.</div></div>

I agree with Florida but here’s a REAL DOSEY.

Vegas. I think Vegas is by far the best fit and if Vegas EVER GETS A CHANCE to acquire Kane I think they should do it. No, they need to do it.

Rivalry blood is OBVIOUS. But can you imagine Vegas swapping Patches for Kane and additionally just Kane is such a perfect fit on paper. Kane - Center - Stone is just a scary thought. Idc who the Center is; you throw that line out there I think you can tell
Tampa/ Colorado to relax on the cup aspirations.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 12:39 am
Sujet: Can we get some respect on Kanes name - Kane is underrated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AustonMatthews3443</b></div><div>People pick and choose who they continue to hate or not and what they are willing to look past. Kane obviously has a problem but he's getting help and for that he should be praised, too many people suffer in silence. I don't feel as if the behavior issue is as much as a factor in his value as his cap hit though.</div></div>

This is not just a response for you but anyone in the future so I get what you’re saying but I felt a more depth response is best. I 100% get what your point is! But...

4 yrs SJS(only) NHL 207 85 75 160
Let’s add tonight’s game and points
208 games - 162 points (87 goals (unless he gets a hatty tonight))
=
0.77 point pace (unless he gets more points tonight 2g so far)

Here is Kyle Connor: one of the best wingers in the game.
=
5 yrs NHL 299 127 118 245

That’s is a 0.81 point pace.

Now Connor is obviously the better player. Even being younger adds more value. But you could not say Kane at 7m is bad at all with Connor at a steal for 6. Obviously the term and the cap make it the part at which you worry but I mean a cup contender getting Kane at 7.

I think if you’re a cup contender, 7m for a desired top 6er and “rare grit and skill” forward is definitely fine. Is it an IDEAL cap hit, not really but that’s few contracts. Kane definitely would’ve been the best trade deadline acquisition this TDL (over Hall
And Palmieri: just my opinion).
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 12:20 am
Sujet: Can we get some respect on Kanes name - Kane is underrated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OutCold13</b></div><div>Kane has played possibly his best hockey this season. He is exactly the kind of player teams need in the playoffs.

I would say many of his problems in the past stem from immaturity the recent gambling issue may cause teams to pause. His NTC probably further muddies the water. The final problem with any Kane trade is salary and term in a flat cap era.

If Wilson were to trade Kane he would first need to talk to him and explain the Sharks aren't close and looking at a few down years, follow that up with can you give me a list of teams you would consider being traded to. Once Doug has the list he has to look at who is actually a cup team. From there Doug would need to decide what Sharks are willing to eat in Salary, do the Sharks retain considerable money or how big and how much term do they bring back to make the cap work.
Considering the salary cap gymnastics Doug should definitely get at minimum a lottery protected 1st, a A prospect and possibly a declining veteran who is still serviceable but is more valued for being a pros pro with no more than 2 years of term and making around 4 million.

I think Doug should possibly get even more.</div></div>

All this I agree with. And as you said: in this hypothetical world we have to be objective and as you and I point out lmao; there’s gonna be a lot of talking. Meet with Kane, meet with the List of teams, meet with Kane again and get some conversations to ensure smooth transitions. Lol it’s a lot and maybe a little bit of a headache in a player trade but as you said if a team and Kane are on the same page; the Sharks could see a sizeable haul if things work out.

If anything else, it’s good to see Kane thriving as he’s learned to control his game and be lethal.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 12:15 am
Sujet: Can we get some respect on Kanes name - Kane is underrated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ajp_18</b></div><div>I wouldn’t say Patrick Kane is underrated, everyone knows what he is and what he does.

Sorry, I couldn’t resist. Evander Kane has been really good in San Jose this year and if it weren’t for the previous stuff, he’d probably be much better respected.</div></div>

Yeah, I hope he at least gets some better looks if we’re better in the future. As he definitely would be a big part in our future success (if there is any LOL)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RawZuccSauce420</b></div><div>He’s been absolutely fantastic this year. When he stays out of the box and stays level-headed he’s the most dominant and consistent player on the ice. I don’t think the fact that he’s having a career year and the fact he’s cut WAY down on the penalties this season is a coincidence.

Either way quite a decent portion of the users on this site haven’t actually watched him and think he’s worth a 2nd rounder at best. His personal issues factor in a bit for sure but you’re right about about him he’s worth much more than people give him credit for (at least at this point in time)</div></div>

The penalty thing is huge. He was playing well at the start of the year but still was taking a ton of penalties and then all of the sudden what he went like 20+ games with like only 1 or two penalties (something along those lines) and at the same times he’s been driving the offence ever since. He’s really learned to play with edge but control his emotions and he’s lethal. Just happy to see he’s finding personal success as he clearly enjoys putting up points and not being frustrated by being in the box looool.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue at 12:08 am
Sujet: Can we get some respect on Kanes name - Kane is underrated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deys3232</b></div><div>Unrelated, but why do the Sharks not use Pateryn? He played really well in the game that I watched him play.. not sure why they took him out for Jaros who is not nearly as good IMO</div></div>
I believe it’s testing out young guys with more cushion. Jaros likely is fighting for a job next year and guys like Pasnichuk need a rep in. I believe Merkley could see 1 game but that’s very unlikely. I think Pateryn may stick around but it’d likely be depth/ AHL if he wants to stay in SJ (I think someone said his wife is from SJS and he liked the fit in coming over). Plus it’s realistically better if we lose games for a better pick so I think management could care less if playing a young guy results in a few screw ups as it’s just better to let them learn

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>flamesfan</b></div><div>Why should Patrick Kane have his value reduced. Kane was run out of both Buffalo and Winnipeg and the fans hated him and there a rumours his teammates hated him aswell. There’s never been rumours that Patrick Kane’s teammates hate him. Kane still has controversy like how he forced a girl to get an abortion and said he pay her and never did or how there’s many places that claim he’s hasn’t payed his tabs.</div></div>


Patrick Kane has history of attacking a cab driver (while drunk) (whether the full extent will ever be known, or blown out of proportion).

The point being Patrick Kane shouldn’t be blasted for years for something he did while younger/ that likely has been resolved.

The same for Kane as these allegations are NOT CONFIRMED. As he is counter sueing. We are not involved in that situation nor is there any actual evidence that is public/ not hearsay. We
should not comment on that issue as not only is it a touchy subject, and a serious one. But we do not even have the full information (as you said it’s a rumour/ controversy).

The point being if you’ve been on a sports team before - sometimes there’s disdain with teammates (which is clearly what happened in WPG). Buffalo seemed to be the losing/ internal issues. This meaning not only is it the past but it happens all the time in sports and likely all the time currently but not always made public. I’ve been on teams where the team dislikes 1 single person and that person has the same right to be upset (as that clearly is not fun) as the people who may not like them (for whatever reason).

Matthew to under went similar off ice issues yet it’s not discussed or brought up as it was resolved. Should matthews be blasted for years? No. Is he in the wrong and hopefully learned a lesson and probably escaped punishment due to being famous? Yes. Is Matthews past brought up when he’s talked about; no not at all lol.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 11:56 pm
Sujet: Can we get some respect on Kanes name - Kane is underrated
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>flamesfan</b></div><div>His attitude and track record from winnipeg and Buffalo really lower his value</div></div>

As I acknowledge in the post slightly - but that’s also multiple years ago (as I said Kane and said team are on the same page in this hypothetical). Which would mean players like Patrick Kane should also have value reduced (his past). But also things are also slightly continuing to happen in Buffalo currently - leading to something in Buffalo has a cultural issue internally. Kane is obviously at fault for his past but that does not mean he’s fully to blame nor should he punished years later.

Obviously as I said, “said organization” and their team plus Kane would need to converse to have the smoothest transition but that should not take away from the play Kane provides. Which is more than just a quality player. If you just traded Kane and it was the perfect fit (like the Sharks) after conversation - he should return a fitting haul and I think most people value Kane as less/ equal to a first; which is absurdly funny.
Forum: NHLMon at 10:58 pm
Sujet: Forum For News, Rumors, Reactions and Fun Throughout the 2021 Season! (part 4)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mondo</b></div><div>For those of you who would like a gander:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Wilson once again crosses the line, as he goes after Pavel Buchnevich in the crease after play is stopped <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NYR?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">#NYR</a> <a href="https://t.co/o8aSjcLWEV" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/o8aSjcLWEV</a></p>— Shayna (@hayyyshayyy) <a href="https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1389376106546049025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">May 4, 2021</a></blockquote>



Click on the tweet thread if you want to see what he did after as well.</div></div>

A suspension could definitely lead into the playoffs (as his history makes me think he could get more than just a couple games).

Not a great look for the caps who very much would need Wilson to better their odds at playoffs success (as we can hate Wilson but he is a player who provides the caps good playoff use).
Forum: NHLMon at 10:47 pm
Sujet: Forum For News, Rumors, Reactions and Fun Throughout the 2021 Season! (part 4)
This is NOT “laugh at the leafs” - but Barabonov and his agent “pursued” a Sharks acquisition and ever since arriving he has been a really solid piece.

Obviously it’s not even a conversation of “did the Leafs screw up” - as the Leafs just simply are too deep to allow him in their lineup; but he’s filled in the Sharks top line/ top 6 and looked great. He’s not “playing good because he’s playing with Kane and Hertl”; he is just simply providing quality ice time. A guy fighting for a contract has looked like someone who will be looking for a payday after next season if he can stick in the NHL starting next year. He’s making good plays in both ends and using his hustle to create plays and then following it up with some good IQ.