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Forum: Armchair-GM21 déc. 2022 à 14 h 52
Sujet: Meier to Buffalo - Think its a fit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lsendel3</b></div><div>Maybe. As first year AHL players, JJP had better year than Meier had. He's currently pacing a better first year in the NHL than Meier had. I don't know how you can say with full confidence that he'll never even come close to him. Meier is the better player, but it's also isn't a stretch to think that JJP becomes 80/85% of what Meier is producing at 1/2 the hit and keeping the other pieces.</div></div>

These are all maybes, which is exactly my point....

Why would the Sabres not see themselves as primed to make noise? They can make WC this year, I'd honestly not be surprised if they pushed to a G7 or actually won 1 round. Then next year if they can get a starter full time that matches their timeline; why should the Sabres not seem themselves as a "win now".

Tage, Dahlin, Meier, Cozens, Power, Savoie sounds a lot better to me like a core that can go all in. Their supporting cast is nothing to scoff at. All young and entering primes or starting potentially special careers. Not knocking LA, OTT, or DET but Buffalo is easily my pick out of the 4 recently rebuilt squads.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 déc. 2022 à 14 h 46
Sujet: Meier to Buffalo - Think its a fit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Cozens, Quinn, JJP if he keeps playing well with the other two, power, dahlin will all need raises. Joker will most likely need a contract. Okposo will still be with the team on a new contract most likely. Will have to keep room for goalies. Already have tage and Jeff.

Timo has never been a ppg forward?????</div></div>

sorry i rounded up .987 lmao (aka 0.99 and currently 0.94)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>Johnson and portillo can both walk. The difference is, because johnson was a first round pick, the Sabres get a second round compensatory pick if he walks.</div></div>

Yeah but as a gm (SJS) you should leverage that and take one of them to make a smoother process. Not many teams would be happy just letting a player walk, as a first rounder. Yeah you get comp but its more about the process/ what happened and essentially wasting and restarting. Not saying Johnson is seen as garbage here, I'm valuing him as a second, not as the first.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 déc. 2022 à 14 h 40
Sujet: Meier to Buffalo - Think its a fit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Definitely think you should pay more attention to JJP, but I think you already know that he's more than just a "mid6" otherwise you wouldn't be trying to trade for him.</div></div>

2nd line forward, apologies - what I meant in mid6 was, he's likely not a 1st line player 70-80 pt guy ever. We can't really compare the SJS lineup to the Sabres so him being with Eklund and Hertl means nothing when we have Bonino playing top6 sometimes lol.

I'd be perfectly happy if JJP was a better Barabanov with 50-60 points when hes 25.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>Kulich has 16pts in 24 games in the AHL. At 18</div></div>

Cant complain if he was the return but I see the Sharks staff looking at Hertl - Bordeleau - Bystedt as their 3 centers. Having a luxury of C is never bad so I guess I can eat it here but if the Sharks can somehow get Bedard or Fantilli thats little room for being confident you can crack the Sharks center core.
Forum: Armchair-GM21 déc. 2022 à 14 h 37
Sujet: Meier to Buffalo - Think its a fit
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>Sabres are winning right now with the current lineup of young players that keep getting better lmao. If the salary cap didn't exist, sure, but it does and they eventually have to pay their own youth that's paying very well.</div></div>

have you seen the Sabres current cap structure? They should not be stressing after they Cozens. They have a ton of money coming off the books if Olof is gone, Bishop is gone (hes not considered LTIR per CF), Okposo. The Sabres are set up to win like you said and only get better.... so why would you not want a league wide 26yo 1st line winger PPG power forward..

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>csick</b></div><div>I think for Meier guys like Ostlund , Kulich, Portillo, Johnson , etc should be available</div></div>

Johnson is for sure but hes not very valuable as the Sabres almost HAVE to trade him.. he can be a free agent soon and he has no spot in BUF. The other 3 bring little to the table. Im not saying theyre bad, but paired with the Johnson situation I'm pretty certain you'd be losing a trade to not look for an actual player (like JJP).
Forum: NHL22 nov. 2022 à 23 h 11
Sujet: 2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #5: Montreal’s youngster wonders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oilersguy</b></div><div>the way the ROR trade is playing out is crazy, wouldn't be surprised if it looked back on for years to come as a example of it takes years for a trade to fully play out. Although imo even though TT has broken out and is a really good play the Blues still win that trade because ROR was the conn smythe when the blues won the cup and is their captain now, although the I think the Sabres could win it if TT keeps playing like he is and if Ryan Johnson becomes a good player for them</div></div>
Looks like a win win in my books regardless at this point. Sabres held FIRM on Tage and you gotta respect the patience and dedication (by Tage aswell) and the Blues directly got a cup from the trade as without ROR they ain’t winning. Who knows if the Blues would have handled Tage the same/ he develops the same if they mismanage him/ trade him to a team that fumbles him while trying to win said theoretical cup.

Just worked out amazing for the Sabres and already did for the Blues.
Forum: NHL22 nov. 2022 à 0 h 26
Sujet: 2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #5: Montreal’s youngster wonders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MatthewsFan</b></div><div>Summer of Dorion!!!!

<div class="tweet"><blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">GM Pierre Dorion expects Senators to win: 'The rebuild is done.' <a href="https://t.co/Mrb4uREzKD" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://t.co/Mrb4uREzKD</a> <a href="https://t.co/x8M5GamZQ0" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">pic.twitter.com/x8M5GamZQ0</a></p>— theScore (@theScore) <a href="https://twitter.com/theScore/status/1435437233448816640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">September 8, 2021</a></blockquote>

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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian2016</b></div><div><strong>Probably the worst team defense I've seen in years. Goalies hung out to dry every shift.</strong></div></div>

It’s almost like there is no system, nothing going on strategically. I wonder who’s job it’s been to implement one on the last few years…

I mean the Sharks game formula is so simple; point shots and cycle the puck through Karlsson, and get it to Meier or I tend to to notice it’s Barabanov (something will happen).
When said players aren’t on; point shots, cycle puck through top of the blue line, get it on net.

I get Karlsson is absolutely buzzzzzzing but the fact the teams defence (WHAT DEFENCE?) has looked the exact same since 2019 is extremely funny.

Sanderson Calder worthy atleast lmao.
Forum: NHL18 nov. 2022 à 7 h 16
Forum: NHL16 nov. 2022 à 19 h 23
Sujet: 2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #5: Montreal’s youngster wonders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>I think you got to eat around 4mill for teams to go maybe. As if thats done hes owed 7.5mill for the remainder. As not many competitive teams can fit 9.5mill</div></div>
Oh yeah, he’s not going anywhere till I see an 8. (It’s why I think talking about Karlsson IRL only starts around 7-8.5 with GM’s in certain situations).
He’s worth 8 “sure”, but right now in this capped league you want your 8’s to be a steal. Hertl is great at 8 but you could show someone Jason Robertson and it makes you want Karlsson at 7 even more. He will only be traded to a team that thinks they can win something LEGITIMATELY, no not Ottawa those rumours are dumb. We’re also going to have to see a SIZEABLE swap out. I think a team would try to move minimum a 3/4m AAV with term.
Forum: NHL16 nov. 2022 à 18 h 45
Sujet: 2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #5: Montreal’s youngster wonders
Hockeys is close to the toughest sport next to combat MMA. Maybe rugbys in there somewhere.

But I think a lot of people judge some players far to harshly; including myself. <a href="/users/McGruff" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@McGruff</a> help bring this thought to fruition last night when he was defending Carter.

Some players just can’t handle 82-100+ games of hockey/ their sport. This isn’t comparing any sports so WERE NOT HAVING THAT DISCUSSION. But many NBA Super Stars will never play close to a full season. Many football players will sit out a couple weeks once they know their team is comfortable situated in their division.

Some players just can’t handle it.

I get Karlsson has a more severe injuries resume than some humans. Not even talking about him directly. But part of the reason I wasn’t support a Carter HOF case cause I was so stuck on his points and games played.

“Oh well I mean he’s got 30 points this season that’s kinda bad, and never consistently at a point per game”.. but as Gruff said (along with other points for Carter); was *paraphrasing* it’s not just about the points or his totals. Carter was there when it mattered. And also; put his team in positions to succeed.

To now loop back to Karl; I believe Karlsson has proven, earned, and still does earn the respect that he can win steal you games.
Forum: NHL16 nov. 2022 à 18 h 25
Sujet: 2022-23 NHL Season Discussion Thread #5: Montreal’s youngster wonders
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Its gonna be interesting to see where EK ends up

While he is producting there are some problems we need to acknowledge

1. Injury History

https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/erik-karlsson-player-injuries

2. Cap hit

Is San Jose really willing to retain 50% for 4.5 years as no competitors will go yeah we will take the entire cap hit.

3. Age

How many good years is said team getting before he becomes an issue or anchor</div></div>

I’d say SJS eats it down to 9.5 (2mil) and gets help 1-2 more for a 7.5 to 8.5 mil cap hit. I’d be shocked if Grier doesn’t get an A level prospect at that point. His previous moves were clearly base setting and making an impact.

You can’t trade Karlsson, with dead cap plus Burns’ dead cap and accept someone like Denisenko and a 2nd. If he does the Sharks are doomed to start a new rebuild in 2025 when he’s fired.

I doubt Karlsson is actually traded because you can only move him (just set the Sharks record for points to start a season passing Nolan), for a “SELL WHILE HIGH” value. Which is going to require a lot of moving party’s to go in SJS favour.

I standby this LOUDLY; If you’re trading him you’re doing it to be a trade you want on the top of your resume. You’re not trading Karlsson just because Floridas giving you a late pick and a 4th liner. You can just keep him lmao?

I honestly believe there’s a 30% chance Karlsson doesn’t make it to 35, with m a 70% chance he makes it to 35 still putting up over 60 points/ 82 game pace. Doubtful he consistently clears 82RGames; but not many players do. I’d say if he can play 50-60 regular games plus the playoffs after very you’re happy (kinda like Kawhi).
Forum: Armchair-GM16 nov. 2022 à 18 h 20
Sujet: We Could use some RD
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>You're asking for

Xavier Bourgault (1st rounder)
Philip Broberg (1st rounder)
AND CARTER (Savoie) maybe?
2023 first (conditional on EDM passing the first round?)
Tyson Barrie (50 point RHD) or Cody Ceci (Edmonton's 1st pairing RHD)

for an injury prone 32 year old Karlsson with 5 years left at $7M (?) just because he's on a 15-game heater.

If you can't see how ridiculous that is then there's nothing I can say that will change anything for you.

Have a great day.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oilersguy</b></div><div>I agree that what you posted is A LOT for Karlsson but the package I proposed is something that I would give up in a heart beat for Karlsson</div></div>

Read what I said. You’re clearly being obtuse for no reason.

“It’s greedy to ask for all 3 but I’d still try it!”
“I ponder if I could ask for Savoie”
“It’s hard to gauge 7m”

It’s the fun of the idea not literal statements.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>Karlsson has never been above average defensively, he's all offense. And his offense hasn't been better than Barrie's in the past few years.

He NOT what the Oilers need. They already have 3 NHL RD on the roster, it's not a major need for the Oilers at all.</div></div>

The fact you think Barrie is an equal to Karlsson just makes me think you can’t formulate your own opinions and use JFRESH’s stat cards/ numbers for your word.

Barrie’s a great hockey player but you don’t need to use numbers with an eye test.

EDM isn’t a defensive hockey club. Why would you not want a puck mover who throughout injury can continually display elite talent. But many others follow the peer pressure of not watching Karlsson or using 3 second clips of his defensive errors; or just using a set of numbers.