Pretty much on the money here.

Apparently a few teams would be open to taking petry if MTL retains a bit

Pretty fair haha. I love the honesty.

I am so perplexed that there are GMs that would pay said price for Chiarot, it makes me question my sanity and makes me rethink if im the one being biased or ignorant. hes not good at all "playoff type" is a load of bs

I mean it’s not so bad. You still get to the draft with 3 1st round picks and a couple of 2nd rounders . That’s pretty good

I think many contenders would be jumping at the opportunity of adding Petry at 4 mill

Ideally maybe he’d get a 2nd in my books but let’s say there was interest, getting a 1st round pick and taking back a smaller cap dump seems fair

I mean I'm happy. Picks are picks so if Wideman/Pitlick/others fetch several 6th/7th rounders there is still hidden gems in the late rounds too.

ya but with every contender cap strapped it won't be easy fitting him in

This looks about right.

Regarding Chiarot, how many contenders are interested in renting a defenseman this spring? And how many of those teams would buy Chiarot before Lindholm, Giordano, Klingberg or Manson? Not to mention Chychrun... it's a buyer's market. If the Habs hold out for a 1st+, they might just be left holding the bag.

Agreed. Teams like Vegas, Florida etc don’t even have their 2022 1st. So that shrinks the market

There most likely aren't, that's why the trade hasn't been done yet. Other defensemen like Giordano are rumored to have similar values, which makes acquiring Chiarot for a 1st insane. There's probably like 20 better options available

i really hope thats the case, i cant be the only that thinks hes awful right?

It might be their values, but it's not what they are gonna be traded for, so you can do this all you want, you'll be wrong on pretty much all of em

Good luck with that

Pretty much everyone outside of Montreal agrees with you . He's a defensive defenseman who can't defend

Yup. Just looked it up: Colorado, Florida, Carolina, Calgary and Vegas have already traded their 1st. That leaves just 8 of the top 13 teams as the market.

Good job all of these are correct.

Armia and Byron: Not completely untradable but even so Montreal isn't in a position to pay to move contracts. Good responsible players to have through a rebuild.

Nothing significantly off the mark here though.
We should be expecting to take a contract back in a Petry trade. Retention is a hard sell due to term.
Probably keep all the Pitlicks. Have to see a full Pitlick line at least once now that things worked out this way.



It's not you, it's NHL GMs. They believe in "playoff types".

I agree with the first 6 values Chiarot unretained would require a cap dump to get a 1st back. If retained he does return a 1st on his own. Petry in an enigma wrapped in a ridddle, most GM's feel like he is just dealing with so much pressure both on and off the ice that it is negatively affecting his on ice performance. So a good return could be possible IF his on ice play picks up before the deadline. Lehkonen is on pace for a career year in points and assists, is an RFA so has 1 more year of team control and is boarder line elite defensively.

I think this is pretty realistic and frankly, I would be pretty happy with this TDL if this happened.





I think the discrepancy is in how much MORE those guys cost than Chiarot. ANA isn't just asking for a 1st for Lindholm. They're also asking for a top prospect too, maybe more. Same with Klingberg. I think teams are way more willing to "settle" for a lesser player but also a lesser value going out too. Plus there are quite few teams all interested in a cheap cost effective dman. If one team gets Manson and the other gets Giordano, that 3rd team for example is left with going HUGE with Chychrun/Klingberg/Lindholm or much less with Chiarot for example. Heck maybe that 3rd team doesn't even have the right assets to acquire one of those guys in the first place so their options are more limited. Who knows?

We seem to think that because MTL is asking for a 1st for Chiarot that all the other teams selling players are asking for the exact same return so all these guys are equal "good". If Im Dallas, Im selling Klingberg for minimum of double what MTL is asking for Chiarot. Which may be pricing some teams out, right out of the gate. Imagine the backlash if a GM got less for Klingberg than MTL got for Chiarot...

Also just to add, teams need the player they're acquiring to be as cheap as possible as pretty much all contenders are cap strapped. Chiarot at 50% retained is 1.75M. Thats more manageable than ALL of the other players mentioned without a 3rd team retaining. Arizona only has 1 more retention spot so everyone can't be using them as the easy "we'll just get a 3rd team to retain" scenario either. Even with another team involved, that's yet another asset they'd have to trade off to get that 3rd team to retain a second time. For some teams, they might see the final cost as too much.

Its not that Chiarot is soooo good that soooo many teams want him. Its that of the group of guys that they like (Chiarot including), he'll probably be the cheapest to acquire AND in cap. I'd rather have Chychrun too but if its going to cost Two 1sts and two of your best prospects to get him, maybe Chiarot becomes the easy plan B if all the other good Dman are taken and teams are getting down to the wire on TDL that making a big move would take too long to do.

Im not even sure the 1st HAS to be in the trade. I think Hughes would be fine with just prospects and a late pick or whatever. I think the combined value has to reach a 1st but doesn't have to be a 1st specifically. Either way, we'll see.

Chiarot was easily the worst of Montreal's top-4 in the playoffs last year: http://naturalstattrick.com/playerteams.php?fromseason=20202021&thruseason=20202021&stype=3&sit=5v5&score=all&stdoi=oi&rate=y&team=MTL&pos=D&loc=B&toi=160&gpfilt=none&fd=&td=&tgp=410&lines=single&draftteam=ALL
I don't think a smart GM pays a 1st for him - not when Chychrun, Lindholm, Giordano, Manson, Klingberg and others are also available.

"Actual values according to me". Looks pretty accurate, and think the 32 NHL GMs agree. CapFriendly Hab fans don't.

I was agreeing with the other post and I'm well aware of Chiarot's stats, so not sure why you're quoting them to me?