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Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 3:06 pm
Sujet: What are the values of domi or Gallagher
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>EhRobin3</b></div><div>Domi is probably worth a decent prospect like Bear or Jones and a 2nd or 3rd round pick

Gallagher is worth Draisaitl or McDavid and 3 firsts emotionally but for a team to actually pry Gallagher away from Montreal you would have to offer a package along the lines of a first round pick, a second line player and a young player/prospect like Yamamoto or Lavoie (this is counting the overpayment Montreal would want in return) I would think</div></div>

So much wrong with this... I won't waste too much time on it, but I'll give you this: Bear and Jones are playing top-4 in Edmonton, they aren't "prospects." Bear has been playing 1RHD since the 2nd game of the season, he's not going anywhere.

Gallagher is a 2nd line player, he's 27 and has 1 year left on his contract. He's not going to return a 1st + a second line player + Yamamoto (a more valuable second line player than Gallagher) or Lavoie.

I don't know what you're smoking, but whatever it is, I'm seriously concerned for your health.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 10:21 am
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers Dynasty 2020-
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>With McLeod he should be absolutely tearing up the AHL with his size and he is an excellent skater and he has skill. Attitude and drive can't be coached he either wants to be there or he doesn't. Most of the scouting reports I've read on Jones have him 3rd pair guy but he is a good hands and is a good skater he either has to realize he has the ability to add more offensively or get more comfortable to start contributing more offensively. Either way he has the tools and ability to contribute more offensively he just needs to do it and then he easily be a 2nd pair defenseman. It's kind of like Jensen who is on the Caps formerly with the Wings great skater decent hands every now and then he'd rush fly by the forwards put a move on a defenseman and set up a great goal then he'd go a game or 2 with no offense.</div></div>

I agree mostly, but I think the difference between a 3rd pairing guy and a 2nd pairing guy is defense, not offense. That's why guys like Gostisbehere, Barrie, Colin Miller, Fox and Sergachev - despite the ability to put up gaudy numbers - are 3rd pairing defensemen. Having superior skating ability (as Jones does) certainly helps in the transition to 2nd pairing, and defensive zone coverage / reads can be taught. I don't doubt guys like Fox and Sergachev will eventually become 2nd pairing guys, but the jury is still out on Jones.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 7:18 am
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 9:33 pm
Sujet: Take advantage of the defenseman market
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>uphere</b></div><div>I doubt Holland moves any defense by the trade deadline, he's more likely to add short-term veteran depth if he can do so cheaply. He's going to want to see how Bear, Jones, and Lagesson hold up in the closing weeks of the season, and hopefully in the playoffs as well. He needs a guy like Benning in order to support those less experienced players, and extra veteran depth is an insurance policy.

This summer is when he'll get serious about changing things up. He has strong prospects who are pushing up against less talented veterans. With Jones looking pretty established now, Holland will push hard to move Russell. Lots of rumors of interest in Larsson, but neither Bear not Bouchard are like to step in and replace him. So Benning would seem to be the odd man out. Failure to move at least one lefty and one righty results in the risks of delaying the development of Bouchard and Samorukov, and losing Lagesson to a waiver claim.</div></div>

Bear has been on the 1st pair since game 2, Holland doesn't need to wait to see what he has. Nor does he have to worry about Bear replacing Larsson as it has already happened.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 6:03 pm
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers Dynasty 2020-
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>That's more like it and I do agree. The point I was trying to make is Mantha is untouchable unless it's a massive overpay like the trade I suggested. Do you really think the offer above gets Mantha?</div></div>

Today, no. It's not close. But Jones is playing top-4 now, if his stellar play continues his value will rise. Samorukov, similarly, is looking good and has started to get more ice time in his rookie pro season, if things break right he could have real value this time next year. McLeod has 3C upside, but there's no telling if he'll ever get there.

So there's too much risk right now for Detroit to even consider such a trade. It <em>could</em> make them a better team, but the risk is high and the reward several years away.

Easy no from Yzerman.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 1:06 pm
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers Dynasty 2020-
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>From past conversations I figured you were pretty smart, but NOPE is the best you can come up with?????????</div></div>

Bouchard has a sky-high ceiling, Edmonton isn't going to package him up with a 1st for anything other than a game-changing talent. I like Mantha and would like him on Edmonton, but he's nowhere near value for that package.

Here are some well-known defensemen drafted out of the OHL over the past 20 years and their P/GP in that league, regular season and playoffs:

Draft Year
Ellis: 1.56 / 1.55
Bouchard: 1.30 / 1.25
Fowler: 1.00 / 0.74
Ekblad: 0.91 / 0.67
Pietrangelo: 0.88 / 1.50
Hamilton: 0.87 / 1.14
Doughty: 0.86 / 0.90
Sergachev: 0.85 / 1.00
Subban: 0.82 / 0.87
Nurse: 0.60 / 0.67
Burns: 0.59 / 1.00


Draft +1
Hamilton: 1.44 / 1.15
Ellis: 1.27 / 1.74
Carlson: 1.29 / 1.57
Bouchard: 1.18 / <strong>1.91</strong>
Sergachev: 0.86 / 0.43
Pietrangelo: 0.81 / 0.50
Subban: 0.79 / 1.10
Nurse: 0.78 / 0.89

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<em>Blue Bullet Brad
@BlueBullet1981
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The most common comparable for Evan Bouchard is John Carlson. This is how they performed in their D+2 season.

John Carlson

AHL 48-4-35-39
NHL 22-1-5-6

Evan Bouchard D+2

AHL 50-7-26-33</em>

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Some others who spent time in the AHL:
Burns: 73, 11-16-27 (draft+2)
Ellis: 29, 4- 14-18 (draft+3)
Subban: 77, 18-35-53 (draft+3)