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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 19 heures
Sujet: VR Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Logan_Ollivier</b></div><div>The difference here, TO can do it with anyone that wants it. And the taxes in Ontario are the same as Alberta. Income tax is the same across Canada. This is a known fact. The only difference is Alberta doesn't have HST. PST and GST are seperate and the PST is lower in Alberta than Ontario. That is all about purchasing things. Which doesn't make any difference. This is just overblown nonsense. TO has more money than Edmonton will ever have, they have more money than any team has. That results in major resources for the players, support staff, equipment, sports science departments, trainers, skills trainers etc etc. TO out spends everyone. Which makes up the difference between taxes.

As I have mentioned this is just the media saying stuff to get bitter fickle fans who hate the Leafs fired up. You guys dream of seeing the Leafs burn more than you dream of winning. It's hilarious</div></div>
You should spend 5 seconds Googling provincial tax rates. You're clueless.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 20 heures
Sujet: Oilers 2023
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Homesick</b></div><div>He's a 1st pairing defenseman making half of what Nurse makes for the next 3 years. Its going to hurt</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CD282</b></div><div>He isn't a 1st pairing guy though. All of Mayo, Gostisbehere and Stralman played harder minutes than he did last season. All three players played a greater % of their TOI vs Elites, they all had worse zone starts v Elites and all were on for more faceoffs v Elites. He was sheltered.</div></div>

<a href="http://puckiq.com/woodmoney?season=20212022&amp;tier=Elite&amp;positions=d&amp;team=ari&amp;group_by=player_season_team&amp;sort=ctoipct&amp;sort_direction=desc" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">puckiq.com </a>
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 20 heures
Sujet: Get some Pionk rumors started
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ceeque84</b></div><div>Nah. Gags had a better yr than Ryan last season playing in all situations on a **** team. He is 2 yrs younger, and of course because... pure nostalgia... I think the main issue with Gagner in Edmonton is that some fans still think he should be putting up 20+ goals. Thats not at all what they would bring him back for. 4th line, who COULD move up IF needed because of injuries. Vet who loved playing in Edmonton and most importantly, would provide all of this for a minimum cap hit. Guys like Ryan &amp; Janmark making $1.2mill to do what they do is such a waste. Holland has had a pretty great offseason, but handing Janmark $1.2 when they are in a situtation where pretty much every 100k counts, was just stupid. If he really wanted Janmark I'm sure he could have been had for a solid $300k-500k less, i highly doubt his agents phone was ringing off the hook in this cap strapped market.</div></div>

Last season was an outlier for Gagner though, you can't seriously expect him to repeat that next season. I mean, he hasn't scored 21 points at 5v5 since 16-17! If you look at the past 3 seasons you'll see that Ryan is the better player and that it's not particularly close.

<a href="http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&amp;thruseason=20212022&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=std&amp;rate=n&amp;p1=8478585&amp;p2=8474040&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Ryan v Gagner</a>

<a href="http://naturalstattrick.com/playercompare.php?fromseason=20192020&amp;thruseason=20212022&amp;stype=2&amp;sit=5v5&amp;score=all&amp;stdoi=oi&amp;rate=y&amp;p1=8478585&amp;p2=8474040&amp;loc=B&amp;gpfilt=none&amp;fd=&amp;td=&amp;tgp=410&amp;lines=single" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">Ryan v Gagner on ice</a>
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: VR Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Logan_Ollivier</b></div><div>Did you just ignore that Matthews made 30+ of his contract in his first 2 years? That's the point I am making. Marner, Nylander etc etc all get most of their money at the start in bonus money. Draisaitl didn't, Nurse doesn't. Most teams can't afford it</div></div>
Draisaitl got a similar bonus to Matthews this summer, Nurse gets a $12M salary this year.
Front loading is nothing new, lots of teams do it. It just makes the contract cheaper on the back end. For instance, Matthews and Tavares are earning just $7.95M each this season while Marner and Rielly are making $8M each. That's significantly less than their combined cap hits.

The other part of the equation that you're missing is that Leafs players do this to decrease their tax burden, not simply because MLSE can afford it. If Matthews played in a so-called tax-free state he wouldn't need to structure his contract in such a manner, as it would make very little difference to his final take home pay. The tax issue in Ontario is real.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: VR Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Logan_Ollivier</b></div><div>That response shows a complete lack of understanding of how bonus money works. Matthews gets a major portion of his money up front. So does Marner, JT, Rielly, even Kerfoot did as well. So technically they have been paying way more than 82.5 million in actual dollars. Few teams if any can match the reserve money the Leafs have.</div></div>
The bonuses are paid out annually, as you can see from each players page right here on CF.

Matthews got a <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/players/auston-matthews">$7.2M bonus this summer.</a>
McDavid got a <a href="https://www.capfriendly.com/players/connor-mcdavid">$11M bonus this summer.</a>

According to their respective pages linked above, Matthews' contract includes $54.52M in total bonus money while McDavid's includes $86M in total bonus money.

So you're clearly wrong in both your understanding of how bonuses work and your assessment of other teams ability to pay such bonuses.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 23 heures
Sujet: VR Leafs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Logan_Ollivier</b></div><div>Doesn't matter when you're entire check comes as a bonus. The interest on investing that lump sum alone is more than they'll make elsewhere. And the endorsement money doesn't get bigger than what you get as the face of the Leafs. The whole Matthews wants to leave crap is just media spewing stuff to get trolls like you fired up. It's pretty funny</div></div>

:tearsofjoy

Where did I say anything about Matthews wants to leave?? You're seeing ghosts!

But the tax situation is indiputable and exactly why guys like Matthews and McDavid have bonus-laden contracts, as they live elsewhere in the offseason and pay taxes in that jurisdiction (AZ, probably) on their bonuses.

There are lots of good reasons to live in Toronto, but the taxes aren't one of them.
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