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Nylander and Domi

Créé par: Hammerwise
Date de création initiale: mai 7, 2021
Publié: 10 mai à 11 h 54
Équipe: 2021-22 Flyers de Philadelphie
Explications
Flyers have a very good team on paper, but wrong mix. Team needs speed (frost, allison, pacquette, york, domi and njylander are upgrades there) and some grit (domi, pacquette, macdermid and savardare upgrades there), and better mix of defense (savard, york, macdermid)
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Bunnaman, Connor3825 000 $
Rubtsov, German3925 000 $
Sandin, Linus3825 000 $
Sandström, Felix3825 000 $
Sanheim, Travis33 825 000 $
Hart, Carter32 125 000 $
Patrick, Nolan31 455 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Elliott, Brian11 400 000 $
Morin, Samuel3975 000 $
Savard, David43 975 000 $
Paquette, Cédric31 975 000 $
Transactions
PHI
    SEA
    1. Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
    PHI
    1. MacDermid, Kurtis
    2. 2021 3e round pick (TOR)
    3. 2021 4e round pick (CGY)
    LAK
    1. Gostisbehere, Shayne
    PHI
    1. Domi, Max
    CBJ
    1. van Riemsdyk, James
    2. O'Brien, Jay [Liste de réserve]
    PHI
    1. Nylander, William
    Détails additionnels:
    Nylander is the best player here, but TOR saves almost 3 mil in cap and gets youth injection that could be a real high reward.
    TOR
    1. Patrick, Nolan
    2. Lindblom, Oskar
    3. Millman, Mason
    4. 2021 2e round pick (PHI)
    Détails additionnels:
    If Patrick, Lindblom can rebound, thats a young talented, two way corps. Millman has had a very good rookie year in AHL.
    Rachats de contrats
    • Ilya Bryzgalov: 0 $
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    PHI
    2022
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    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    STL
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    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
    PHI
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    Giroux, Claude
    8 275 000 $
    AG, C, AD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
    PHI
    Couturier, Sean
    4 333 333 $
    C
    UFA - 1
    PHI
    Farabee, Joel
    925 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    TOR
    Nylander, William
    6 962 366 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 3
    PHI
    Hayes, Kevin
    7 142 857 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 5
    PHI
    Konecny, Travis
    5 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 4
    CBJ
    Domi, Max
    5 300 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA - 1
    PHI
    Frost, Morgan
    863 333 $
    C
    RFA - 1
    PHI
    Voracek, Jakub
    8 250 000 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 3
    PHI
    Laughton, Scott
    3 000 000 $
    AG, C
    UFA - 5
    Paquette, Cédric
    1 975 000 $
    C, AG
    UFA
    PHI
    Allison, Wade
    925 000 $
    AD
    RFA - 1
    PHI
    Bunnaman, Connor
    825 000 $
    C
    RFA
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    PHI
    Provorov, Ivan
    6 750 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 4
    Savard, David
    3 975 000 $
    DD
    UFA
    PHI
    Hart, Carter
    2 125 000 $
    G
    RFA
    PHI
    Sanheim, Travis
    3 825 000 $
    DG
    RFA
    PHI
    Myers, Philippe
    2 550 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    PHI
    Elliott, Brian
    1 400 000 $
    G
    UFA
    PHI
    York, Cam
    880 833 $
    DG
    RFA - 2
    PHI
    Braun, Justin
    1 800 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 1
    PHI
    Hägg, Robert
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    DG
    UFA - 1
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    MacDermid, Kurtis
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    DG/DD
    UFA - 1

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    10 mai à 11 h 56
    #1
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    You have to retain on ghost to move him. Kings don't need to bolster depth with that 3rd and 4th.
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    10 mai à 12 h 05
    #2
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    I’d be very surprised if Dubas ever trades Nylander but if he did I’m sure he did it starts with Konecny.
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    10 mai à 12 h 07
    #3
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    Quoting: tryger
    You have to retain on ghost to move him. Kings don't need to bolster depth with that 3rd and 4th.


    Ghost only has 2 yrs left, was on pace for 40+ pts over 80 game season, played remarkably well at RD and on both sides of the puck, averaging 19+ minutes a night. He is a puck rusher, but the fact he played pretty well defensively this year shows alot. Hes still youngish. He struggled for 2 years with injuries and got supplanted by Provorov and Sanheim at LD, (and the team caught fire with Hagg, a stay at home type, which the flyers lack, in the lineup last year), but this was a bounce back year for him, he is a solid number 3 and PP QB that a young team could certainly use. (He was on waivers, when no one could really afford a risky 4.5mil contract, as the flyers had injuries at forward, but had 8 dmen and 3 goalies, and ghost was the least likely to get claimed, and ghost was great ever since).

    MacDermid is older and not an everyday defenseman, the TOR 3rd is very low round, no chance its less than 80th overall and the 4th is probably around 100th, they are negligible meh picks in a year where there just hasnt been great draft evaluation.

    It comes down to what LAK lose in expansion, (most likely a dman) and Ghost would probably be their best offensive dman. Dont fool yourself, hes still got game and this package from LA isn;t that great.
    10 mai à 12 h 10
    #4
    Let’s make a deal
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    I’d rather not loose domi or pick up that cap hit of jvr. A winger. Who doesn’t play good defense.
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    10 mai à 12 h 13
    #5
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    Quoting: Leafsfan416
    I’d be very surprised if Dubas ever trades Nylander but if he did I’m sure he did it starts with Konecny.


    While I agree, you'll never get a Nylander for a nylander, of the big salaries and their production/style, Nylander is probably the easiest to move and replace. Its a huge risk, but the leafs would save money and be able to bring in two younger players (one of which looked like a lock for 20 goals and the other who in limited minutes got 31 pts his 1st and 2nd year), but have been derailed by injuries, (now both healthy) and the subsequent regression of every Philly youngster this year. Toronto would be looking to give them a fresh start and these two might be rebound into the 40+ pt players.

    Millman was a WJC guy and is a solid RD having a very good rookie season in AHL. The 2nd rounder is top 45 pick.

    Its about cap space and addressing multiple spots at the same time, but yes this is a stretch.

    And Nylander probably does not get Koneckny straight up. Production is similar, but heart, age, salary and contract status are all on TK's side.
    10 mai à 12 h 14
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    The leafs are 100% not going to trade Nylander for a bunch of significantly lesser pieces, especially for bull cap reasons.
    10 mai à 12 h 15
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    While I agree, you'll never get a Nylander for a nylander, of the big salaries and their production/style, Nylander is probably the easiest to move and replace. Its a huge risk, but the leafs would save money and be able to bring in two younger players (one of which looked like a lock for 20 goals and the other who in limited minutes got 31 pts his 1st and 2nd year), but have been derailed by injuries, (now both healthy) and the subsequent regression of every Philly youngster this year. Toronto would be looking to give them a fresh start and these two might be rebound into the 40+ pt players.

    Millman was a WJC guy and is a solid RD having a very good rookie season in AHL. The 2nd rounder is top 45 pick.

    Its about cap space and addressing multiple spots at the same time, but yes this is a stretch.

    And Nylander probably does not get Koneckny straight up. Production is similar, but heart, age, salary and contract status are all on TK's side.


    Lol, heart. No, konecny doesnt get you Nylander straight up after this season
    10 mai à 12 h 17
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    Quoting: The_Cannon
    I’d rather not loose domi or pick up that cap hit of jvr. A winger. Who doesn’t play good defense.


    I think of it, like this: its 7mil for 2 yrs of almost guaranteed production from JVR and a real bluechip prospect in Center Jay O'Brien (had a very good year at BC) for what is a 5.3 what-if in Domi. Domi and his production, decision making and play make JVR at 7mil look awfully cheap in comparison. PHI makes the deal simply for grit difference between the two players.
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    10 mai à 12 h 17
    #9
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    Let’s see. You get an upgrade in speed and grit in Domi, a much younger player and a much lower contract.
    Jackets get a much older player, a downgrade in speed and grit, and a much higher contract locked in for longer term.
    And for what? A guy named Jay OBrien?
    Offer declined.
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    10 mai à 12 h 17
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    I doubt columbus accepts they already have a weak center core and trading Domi for JVR wouldn't help their problems.
    10 mai à 12 h 19
    #11
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    I think of it, like this: its 7mil for 2 yrs of almost guaranteed production from JVR and a real bluechip prospect in Center Jay O'Brien (had a very good year at BC) for what is a 5.3 what-if in Domi. Domi and his production, decision making and play make JVR at 7mil look awfully cheap in comparison. PHI makes the deal simply for grit difference between the two players.

    The problem is that JVR's contract extends into the critical 2022 offseason when we're trying to resign most of our core. Domi's doesn't, so if he continues to not work out (seemingly less likely as the season went on, btw - he kept improving), we can just let him walk without risking the loss of guys like Jones and Werenski and most likely Laine and Roslovic and Merzlikins and...
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    10 mai à 12 h 19
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    leafs say no
    10 mai à 12 h 21
    #13
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    Quoting: HikinenNisti
    I doubt columbus accepts they already have a weak center core and trading Domi for JVR wouldn't help their problems.


    Exactly.

    I really *want* to like this trade, but it would require more going to Cbus, or retention on JVR.

    The team is already going to be in a precarious cap situation after next season. Locking in JVR for $7M isn’t going to help that.
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    10 mai à 12 h 22
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    Quoting: Viqsi
    The problem is that JVR's contract extends into the critical 2022 offseason when we're trying to resign most of our core. Domi's doesn't, so if he continues to not work out (seemingly less likely as the season went on, btw - he kept improving), we can just let him walk without risking the loss of guys like Jones and Werenski and most likely Laine and Roslovic and Merzlikins and...


    Posted this exact same time I did 😂
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    10 mai à 12 h 22
    #15
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    I think of it, like this: its 7mil for 2 yrs of almost guaranteed production from JVR and a real bluechip prospect in Center Jay O'Brien (had a very good year at BC) for what is a 5.3 what-if in Domi. Domi and his production, decision making and play make JVR at 7mil look awfully cheap in comparison. PHI makes the deal simply for grit difference between the two players.


    As viqsi said above, we need that money badly. We’re gonna have to pay Jones and Z the sun and the moon.
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    10 mai à 12 h 23
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    Quoting: HikinenNisti
    I doubt columbus accepts they already have a weak center core and trading Domi for JVR wouldn't help their problems.


    I Agree that the age difference and 1.7 in salary is all in CBS favour, its more about certainty as JVR is a reliable producer/player and prospect Jay OBrien is not just a throw in, hes a 19 yr old, former 1st round pick who just put up 16 pts in 16 games at Boston Univ.

    Philly could add more, a pick or mid level prospect, but OBrien is the real factor to address CBS needs
    10 mai à 12 h 26
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    I Agree that the age difference and 1.7 in salary is all in CBS favour, its more about certainty as JVR is a reliable producer/player and prospect Jay OBrien is not just a throw in, hes a 19 yr old, former 1st round pick who just put up 16 pts in 16 games at Boston Univ.


    I get it…it’s why I said I want to like this trade.

    Structurally, it just doesn’t fit CBJ right now. If they decide to rebuild, they don’t really need JVR. If they lean into this “reload,” the $7M creates too many problems in a year.

    Again, CBJ would likely need retention, or more going back to them such that it overvalues the cap issue and letting someone walk in FA.

    Domi, Jones, Werenski, Elvis/Korpi, Boone, and Roslovic are all FA’s of some variety. And that’s before we get into what Laine, Tex, Bemstrom, and Peeke are going to sign *this* off-season.
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    10 mai à 12 h 27
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    While I agree, you'll never get a Nylander for a nylander, of the big salaries and their production/style, Nylander is probably the easiest to move and replace. Its a huge risk, but the leafs would save money and be able to bring in two younger players (one of which looked like a lock for 20 goals and the other who in limited minutes got 31 pts his 1st and 2nd year), but have been derailed by injuries, (now both healthy) and the subsequent regression of every Philly youngster this year. Toronto would be looking to give them a fresh start and these two might be rebound into the 40+ pt players.

    Millman was a WJC guy and is a solid RD having a very good rookie season in AHL. The 2nd rounder is top 45 pick.

    Its about cap space and addressing multiple spots at the same time, but yes this is a stretch.

    And Nylander probably does not get Koneckny straight up. Production is similar, but heart, age, salary and contract status are all on TK's side.


    What I meant was if the Leafs decided to trade Nylander they would want a significant player coming back to help them win now. Their window to win a cup is 3-4 years and while Millman looks like a nice prospect, he doesn’t move the needle. And Oscar has been a nice story from he’s recovery but he doesn’t fill the production lost by Nylander. Sorry, but this trade doesn’t work. I go back to my original thought, it starts with Konecky if the Flyers are asking for Nylander.
    10 mai à 12 h 33
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    Quoting: Leafsfan416
    What I meant was if the Leafs decided to trade Nylander they would want a significant player coming back to help them win now. Their window to win a cup is 3-4 years and while Millman looks like a nice prospect, he doesn’t move the needle. And Oscar has been a nice story from he’s recovery but he doesn’t fill the production lost by Nylander. Sorry, but this trade doesn’t work. I go back to my original thought, it starts with Konecky if the Flyers are asking for Nylander.


    Also, the Leafs aren't in an immediate need to trade away his contract either. I don't see them moving any big contracts out while they're poised to contend now. I could potentially see them giving up a prospect to Seattle if they agree to pick Kerfoot but outside of that I'm not convinced they would trade Nylander unless it was a trade where they rob the deal.
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    10 mai à 12 h 42
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    Quoting: BigDaddyOvech
    Also, the Leafs aren't in an immediate need to trade away his contract either. I don't see them moving any big contracts out while they're poised to contend now. I could potentially see them giving up a prospect to Seattle if they agree to pick Kerfoot but outside of that I'm not convinced they would trade Nylander unless it was a trade where they rob the deal.


    I agree, as long as Dubas is GM I don’t see Nylander going anywhere before he’s contract is up in 3 years. More than likely Kerfoot will be selected with the lack of C depth next year. That gives them space to resign Hyman. Rielly is the only one I could see from this core that could possibly be moved but he is so well liked within the organization that I think even he gets resigned. Even tho I’m on the fence with that one.
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    10 mai à 12 h 44
    #21
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    Modifié 10 mai à 14 h 08
    Nylander starts with Konency or Provorov. Leafs aren't moving him for a lateral move so any team looking to get him is going to significantly overpay. Konecy straight up isn't enough so Philly adds on him, and Provorov is likely an overpy so that may be straight up. But Toronto isn't moving him just for the sake of moving him
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    10 mai à 12 h 55
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Ghost only has 2 yrs left, was on pace for 40+ pts over 80 game season, played remarkably well at RD and on both sides of the puck, averaging 19+ minutes a night. He is a puck rusher, but the fact he played pretty well defensively this year shows alot. Hes still youngish. He struggled for 2 years with injuries and got supplanted by Provorov and Sanheim at LD, (and the team caught fire with Hagg, a stay at home type, which the flyers lack, in the lineup last year), but this was a bounce back year for him, he is a solid number 3 and PP QB that a young team could certainly use. (He was on waivers, when no one could really afford a risky 4.5mil contract, as the flyers had injuries at forward, but had 8 dmen and 3 goalies, and ghost was the least likely to get claimed, and ghost was great ever since).

    MacDermid is older and not an everyday defenseman, the TOR 3rd is very low round, no chance its less than 80th overall and the 4th is probably around 100th, they are negligible meh picks in a year where there just hasnt been great draft evaluation.

    It comes down to what LAK lose in expansion, (most likely a dman) and Ghost would probably be their best offensive dman. Dont fool yourself, hes still got game and this package from LA isn;t that great.


    LA could have had Ghost off waivers for free, but didn't bite because of his contract. I think there could be a fit there, but LA isn't taking that full salary or giving up picks. Maybe Ghost at 25% retained straight up for MacDermid.
    10 mai à 13 h 02
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    Quoting: dopplsan
    Exactly.

    I really *want* to like this trade, but it would require more going to Cbus, or retention on JVR.

    The team is already going to be in a precarious cap situation after next season. Locking in JVR for $7M isn’t going to help that.


    With Columbus having to give a raise to guys like Laine and Texier trading for JVR with no retention would be idiotic
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    10 mai à 13 h 25
    #24
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    Quoting: Hammerwise
    Ghost only has 2 yrs left, was on pace for 40+ pts over 80 game season, played remarkably well at RD and on both sides of the puck, averaging 19+ minutes a night. He is a puck rusher, but the fact he played pretty well defensively this year shows alot. Hes still youngish. He struggled for 2 years with injuries and got supplanted by Provorov and Sanheim at LD, (and the team caught fire with Hagg, a stay at home type, which the flyers lack, in the lineup last year), but this was a bounce back year for him, he is a solid number 3 and PP QB that a young team could certainly use. (He was on waivers, when no one could really afford a risky 4.5mil contract, as the flyers had injuries at forward, but had 8 dmen and 3 goalies, and ghost was the least likely to get claimed, and ghost was great ever since).

    MacDermid is older and not an everyday defenseman, the TOR 3rd is very low round, no chance its less than 80th overall and the 4th is probably around 100th, they are negligible meh picks in a year where there just hasnt been great draft evaluation.

    It comes down to what LAK lose in expansion, (most likely a dman) and Ghost would probably be their best offensive dman. Dont fool yourself, hes still got game and this package from LA isn;t that great.


    I'm not fooling myself, Ghost is an offensive threat but a bad defenseman in his own zone, that is why every single team in the league passed on him for free. The Kings are trying to develop their defensive corps to make solid 2-way defensemen on every line, trading for a player with poor defensive habits is unwise for a developing team of so many rookie defensemen. The Kings are specifically looking for a dynamic (sound on both ends of the ice) defenseman to play with Doughty who can eat minutes and allow Doughty to open up offensively and eventually take his role as the special teams anchor. Ghost would be the Kings second pairing defenseman as Roy would be the only one who could offset his defensive flaws, but this still would not address Doughty's partner and would take a role from Bjornfot who is much better defensively in his own zone and starting to build on his offensive acumen.

    So no, the Kings won't take this trade, it makes them worse defensively, inhibits them from playing their youth, and adds unnecessary cap which could be used more efficiently in the free agency or trade market.
     
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