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Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 16 h 4
Sujet: Trying to clear cap and gain prospects
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Thank you for using the fact to prove me right, right now as the teams stand the Jackets are not the youngest team in the league. It doesn't matter who they <strong>may or may not</strong> sign and injured players as long as they are under contract are taken into account.</div></div>
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It matters a whole hell of a lot, actually. If the Devils opt to retain PK Subban, suddenly they're no longer the youngest team in the league. And that was the whole point - even if we do add guys, we're strongly likely to remain the youngest or among the youngest, because the Senior Citizens here already have contracts and so that's already factored in. They don't yet on the Devils and/or Coyotes.

It's like claiming right now that Colorado clearly has no chance at competing for the Cup next year because if you look at their roster they don't have enough forwards to ice a complete team, so MacKinnon and Landeskog and Rantanen and the rest are going to be utterly exhausted by the end of the year having to be constantly double-shifted.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 15 h 57
Sujet: Trying to clear cap and gain prospects
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>First off I would like to thank you for conceding my point (see highlighted). That literally was my whole argument all along, that the value placed on the pick was in fact fair value.</div></div>
If that was your argument, you didn't do a very good job of pointing it out. What folks were objecting to was the assertion that "it can be fair value, THEREFORE of course Columbus would do it and LMAO anyone who says otherwise is a fool". That last part is where the disagreement lies. That a team with different needs than Columbus would go for it does not mean Columbus would.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>As to your point about comparing Farrell with Caufield, I only compared what was said about them both not their skill level. We have heard for years and years that small players can't make it in the NHL but reality is the good ones can just look at the path St Louis took. He went undrafted and became one of the best players in league history. I am not saying that Farrell is equal to MSL that would be ridiculous, all I am saying is that paths to the NHL matter very little if you put in the work and effort. We will never know what Farrell will become until he proves worthy of his shot, I was only stating his ceiling is a 50-80 point winger sorry if I misconstrued what I meant. However the same can be said about every prospect in every draft.</div></div>
Fair enough.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 15 h 54
Sujet: Trying to clear cap and gain prospects
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dk325</b></div><div>Hahaha, New Jersey and Detroit are transitioning into a cup window. That's a good one. How about they break out of the bottom 10 before we start talking about cup windows.

At an average age of 25.71 years the CBJ were the youngest team in the NHL last year by .03 years behind New Jersey. The Coyotes were the 6th oldest team and Detroit was 7th youngest. Yet another thing you're wrong on.</div></div>
I think that guy may have been looking at current team pages here, which shows us as having an average age of 26.1 and the Devils with an average age of 24.9. Of course, that's with us having 19 players signed and the Devils having 15, and it doesn't include folks listed as being injured (which for us removes 29-year-old Jenner, 22-year-old Texier, and 23-year-old Tarasov, and for them removes 33-year-old Bernier), Or, in other words, jumping to conclusions based on incomplete information even though explicit indicators showing it was incomplete were right there in plain view alongside the said info.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 15 h 30
Sujet: Trying to clear cap and gain prospects
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Super_Randy</b></div><div>My argument is that someone said CBJ is interested in C and RD. So my point was if that is the case, trading back does not hurt the chances of getting RD and/or center. It actually improves the chances. And to say the other two "barely get noticed"....okay and your point is ? Gallagher was a 5th round pick, Sebastian Aho was a 2nd round pick, Nikita Kucherov a 2nd round pick, Patrice Bergeron was a 2nd round pick......I can keep going. I think you both are what some fans called "Horseblinded" by your own team. Nail Yakupov was a 1st overall pick and at the time had high praise and "oozed potential"........he plays 3rd line minutes in the KHL now.........</div></div>
While you're correct w/r/t team positional needs in particular, in general we are looking for higher-quality prospects as well; we've got plenty of prospect depth and are hoping to swing for some of the "maybe they will, maybe they won't" types with the second pick (think the Lamberts and Mintyukovs and Nazars and the like). There's a pretty strict restriction on what Kekalainen will trade those 1sts for; he's gone public with it.

Yes, good things can happen with later picks. That doesn't mean we want more later picks in exchange for our better ones. The proposal you made here is a decent enough effort to be sure, and if we were lacking prospect depth in general it'd be well worth it, but that's not the case right now and we just don't want to trade down without a substantial return. Then couple that with us having real problem with particular arrogant O6 fans trying to mansplain to us what our team would and would not do as though we're poor newcomer fools who just can't possibly <strong>understand</strong> the game and what all goes into it... (Not that you specifically have been doing that at all - you weren't the one who kept pushing back so as to turn it into an argument. :) )

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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>I think you should actually look up what Farrell has done over his career thus far. He was a ppg player as a freshman this past season for Harvard not as an overager but as one of the youngest guys in the league. You know what this reminds me of? This reminds me of what everyone was saying about Caufield, he is too small, he was only successful because of Hughes, he won't ever make the NHL. It's always the same thing, yet every time the nay sayers are proven wrong, that size isn't actually all that important just like the path players take to the NHL.</div></div>
He is a small winger that you are trying to send to a team that has too many small players and too many small wingers. Unless he's <strong>known</strong> to be the second coming of Johnny Hockey or something similar, he does not have value here. I'm happy you're happy for your prospect, but it's not going to make us want him any more. We've also had plenty of boom-or-bust guys like that who have looked extremely promising only to not make it in the NHL. Some of them are still on the roster and/or in the system (Thurkauf, in particular, was looking very very promising for a little while there, as was TFW. Heck, TFW might still have a chance at being a depth guy if he can take that next step, but at this rate he looks like he's going to be in permanent AAAA mode, alas.).

Also, Caufield was a first round pick and deservedly so. Sean Farrell was someone y'all took a flyer on in the 4th round. That and Caufield was already in the NHL by the time he was the age Farrell is now, so comparing the two is kind of an insult to Caufield.
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 14 h 48
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 14 h 45
Sujet: Trying to clear cap and gain prospects
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Super_Randy</b></div><div>You would have 3 chances to get an impact player that fits the team needs by trading pick 12 for picks 26 and 36. Instead of 6 &amp; 12 you would have 6, 26 &amp; 36. Gives a chance to draft an extra C or extra RD and since most analysts say between picks 10-30 are interchangeable, I really don't see how first the VALUE is off and secondly, how the FIT is off.

To put this in perspective, Bobby Mac has Pavel Mintyukov (LD) going 12th</div></div>
...and he's on the draft lists of many Jackets fans simply because he's potentially that damn good. Bischel and Odelius barely get noticed as being in the draft at all. We would rather have to flip a Minyukov soon or a Gavrikov later than try to make something out of a bunch of late depth pieces that folks won't remember are there in a year or two.
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