established? He hit 50 points twice in 6 seasons....JT miller is a 40-50 point winger? You do realize he has 44 points right now and had 50 point paces in the 3 seasons after he had his 56 point season. IF you want to play that games, Miller is as established as 50 point player as Drouin. You try to hard to make yourself as a high and mighty figure but all you do is spin yourself in circles actually avoiding any sort of fact that would hurt your own perception.

I am not harassing or trash talking, you just do not like when people disagree with you, and you even posted a message in French mocking me, and even here calling me an old lady. You want to talk about behaviour issues on this site, you have been been against the code of conduct, not me

1 dimensional offensive wingers who get played 1st line minutes and top player pp time who cant play defensive to save their life are not rare to find to play one your 2nd line.

Its mind boggling how you cant see that drouin given all the opportunity in the world and scratching together a 50 point season is not special. Hes a good not great player and thats not rare.

One reason I believe there are higher scoring centres on the so called second line, is that the second line centre is often bumped up to play as winger on the PP. Leafs use Matthew and Tavares often on the PP.
Kadri scored 30 goals as Leaf twice and it wasn't from his so called third line centre position. It's because he replaced Hyman at LW on PP and played with Matthews and Nylander

Just got reported

Already stated that he isnt playing first line minutes since he is only averaging 16:50 minutes. You have a difficult time. And just to let you know jt miller isnt a winger. He was use as a center with stamkos and with new york. You have difficulty with reading statement i guess.

You want a 50 point plus winger that’s young and on a good contract; let me present Debrincat. What’s it going to cost you ask? Byram and at least a 3rd rounder. Hawks fans will freak out but i believe the Hawks need a future top 2 on D more then Debrincat right now.

You like looking at NHL.com for stats, its right there, 3rd in Total Ice time for the 2018-19 season, He was 3rd in ice time out of forwards, and 1st in total power player time.
He was played as a 1st line winger. Thats just facts, so hes not getting 1st line minutes yet he saw more ice time than 95% of the team?

A big waste of time. You can’t figure out that he is t playing first line minutes since there no first line in Montreal. Ice time are equal since they been rolling 4 line all year

You know what is there to. He was not even in the top 100 forward ice time last season in nhl. And there another commun thing first line players around the league have been playing around 19-20 minutes a night.

this is what he was doing on your team, he played 3rd most last season in all situations in the total season, a top forward, a 1st line forward, whatever semantic label you want to argue against. But No one was given a bigger ofensive opportunity than he was on the Habs last year. That is just straight raw data, not opinion.

I don't know if I have an opinion on this, but thanks for the shout out! I feel like a capfriendly celebrity!

Drouin is a bad player, mtl is a bad team.. nobody wants to overpay for your players

@coga16 ... I think the real question here isnt what hes worth, but what the avalanche would pay to get him.. hypothetically drouins a 20 goal 50 point player on the eastern conference Montreal canadiens 1st line, hes listed as a skill forward who can score and cant defend who doesnt show up for weeks at a time. Hes also been traded before for an A level prospect and 2nd rounder, and hasn't gotten any better

Landeskog is all around better, and burakovsky is on pace for drouins best year. Burakovsky is big fast and skilled, he also isnt a good defender, has an amazing wrist shot and his jacket is that he wasnt given the oppurtunity in washington, plays the same type of game as drouin but with a ton more playoff experience with a ring.

Now objectively is it worth a 1st and a b level prospect or a 2nd and a level prospect to swap out burakovsky for drouin?? I would hope the answers no for Joe sakic.

And debrindicat is another animal all together hes a 40 goal guy not a 20

That was my point. This was about a 1st and Timmins for Drouin and I said no that’s a dream to get that from the Sakic, mentioning you don’t have to pay a 1st and a top prospect for Drouin bc there are other options that would cost less for a 2nd line winger

Then this cat couldn’t comprehend how Drouin getting top
Line minutes wouldn’t be a 50 point winger in a downgraded role probably 5th or even 6th in ice time for the fwds

Not worth the investment for what he actually is as a player, avs fans and the rest of the league see that yet Canadien fans can’t, add extra value to him being a French player in Montreal and being a high draft pick

Seby, once you start restricting the group to younger players, the sample size shrinks dramatically. Even including 27-year-old Brett Connolly and 26-year-old Viktor Arvidsson, all I can think of are DeBrincat, the Tkachuks, Laine and Tuch, and I don't think I would trade any of them for Drouin straight up because all have at least one additional dimension that Drouin doesn't. Then there are guys like Labanc (one season with 56 points and more or less on a path for 50), Virtanen (25 points last season but projecting to 50 this year) and Kubalik (on pace for 50 in his first year), all of whom I wouldn't trade Drouin for even up. So it's hard to answer your question(s) because, as @coga16 points out, there are cheaper options for second-line wingers than Drouin, including guys like Iafallo or Kase who play on worse teams' first lines but wouldn't come close to sniffing Colorado's first three.

Drouin was a 50 point forward while playing 16:56 per game, of which 14:01 was during even strength, 2:51 was on the PP, and 0:04 was on the PK (on average). Drouin's totals were 18G+35A=53P in 81GP. 37 of these points were scored at even strength, while 16 came on the powerplay. You made a point that MTL doesnt really have a "1st line" and balances ice time between lines more evenly than most teams, which I think is a valid point. If he were to be traded to COL, lets say he would play about the same amount (about 14 mins) during even strength playing on the 2nd line. Assuming he has the same production this would mean he would also score 37 points at even strength on the Avs. However, Drouin would not get top PP time on COL, he would likely play on the 2nd PP unit unless there was an injury to MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, or Kadri. But since COL draws more penalties (and takes more penalties) per game, lets say he would still get about 2:00 PP TOI/GP on COL. Since he would be playing with lesser players on PP2 in COL than PP1 on MTL, lets say his production rate drops to 85% of what it was in MTL. With his lesser PP TOI/GP and reduced PP production rate due to players around him, this would drop his powerplay points to about 9.5 powerplay points in a full season, but lets round it up to 10 PPP. To summarize, COL would get a 2nd line, 2nd PP winger who doesnt kill penalties who puts up 37 points at even strength, and 10 points on the powerplay for a total of 47 points in 81 games. Now lets compare this to what Donskoi and Burakovsky are on pace for in that same role:

Donskoi: 15G+15A=29P in 44GP with 16:52 TOI/GP (24 even strength points), 2:46 PP TOI/GP (5 powerplay points), 0:41 PK TOI/GP. On pace for 53 points over 81 games.
Burakovsky: 13G+15A=28P in 42GP with 14:52 TOI/GP (20 even strength points) , 2:29 PP TOI/GP (8 powerplay points), 0:00 PK TOI/GP. On pace for 54 points over 81 games.

However Donskoi and Burakovsky did get some inflated PP time due to injuries earlier in the season. To control for this lets only consider 60% of their PPP; with these adjusted totals they are still on pace for 50 points in 81 games (for Donskoi) and 48 points in 81 games (for Burakovsky). Both of their scoring outputs match/exceed Drouins projected pace on the Avs in the same role. May I remind you that Donksoi was acquired via free agency for only 3.9M AAV, and Burakovsky was acquired via trade for an AHLer, a 2nd, and a 3rd. Drouin may have a higher ceiling, but with his current production it is easy to find others that can fill the same role

And the fact that both have been playing with mackinnon for a 10 + game span and have make most of their production with him does not figure in your analysis. Since landeskog and rantanen have been back against Montreal the 5th of december last year. Borh players have return to there normal production. That 6 point in 17 games for both players. When rantaneN got hurts donskoi was playing with mackinnon and had 18 point in 17 games in that spend. Same for burakowsky who take the charge for landeskog. In mtl we don’t have any player close to what mackinnon can do on ice. And no one can benefit from a mvp center. I would bet a hundred box that both burakowsky and donskoi won’t break the 50 point mark this year if they don’t play eith mackinnon again this year. No one take that in consideration but it’s a huge factor. How can you explain that patrick maroon who never even get close to 20 goal suddenly score 27 and 17 in back to back season breaking the 40 points. Is most goal in any other season is 11. Simple its Connor McDavid. Donskoi and burakowsky have benefits playing 15 games with mackinnon thats is clear as crystal.

Yes playing with MacKinnon boosts their stats - thats the luxury of having an elite player. Why would COL pay for someone like Drouin if they can get away with playing cheaper guys with MacKinnon and get better production out of them? Even if they only score 40 each, both have more team friendly contracts and were acquired for much cheaper than what you are saying Drouin is worth. The difference between a 40 point player and a 50 point player isnt that much, especially when that 40 point player can become a 60 point player with a simple line change

If drouin can make 50 point without a mackinnon how much he would score with mackinnon. Even with kadri drouin could have a greater impact. Colorado haven’t been good at all the last 15 games, they don’t even play for .500 the lack of depth start to affect that team and with Winnipeg and nashville keep pushing Colorado is not in safe position. The point is that drouin generate more offense then both donskoi and burakowsky. Even without pp time is 37 point are more then the total of each one. Drouin had 47 point in is first 55 game last year before having a ankle injury and getting in a terrible slump. This year he was having a terrific start, he was our best forward and by far. Can you gave me four of is linemates he played with consistently the last season? That must be take in consideration

1 short slump doesnt mean that COL is going to ship out high value prospects and picks. Drouin probably would score more points with MacKinnon, but my point is that any player can be put with MacKinnon and they will also produce, which makes the high value associated with Drouin pointless to the Avs. Plus he is a purely offensive winger which the Avs dont really need. Maybe you can get a good return from another team but you wont get that much from Colorado

15 games isnt a short slump. And i know colorado won’t move for drouin. But the whole argumenting have started because he supposedly have no value and that he is a marginal players. Both of those statement where actually not true and i have shown with stats and facts that drouin was in a special group. I won’t stand here listening to people who pretend having knowledge about hockey when they can’t even make the difference between a players who generate offense by is own and a players who benefits from other players. Comparing donskoi or burakowsky to drouin is not a proof of knowledge when they are clearly not in the same category. Drouin has a lot more upside then both of them and with is deal he have value in a trade since team don’t all have productive winger. I am a big hockey fan and i watch a tons of game each year. Junior, college, ahl even europeen game along with nhl. I have enough discernment to judge players by their ability and on what they brings to the game. Unlike some people here who are completely biased and only gave credit to their own players. Some people who would say that burakowsky was a trash can then suddenly when he is on s nee team become the next great thing. That pissed off people who really care about that beautiful game. If you cheer for your teal ok fine but if you don’t no anthing about other team and players just don’t troll other people! ( the last part wasn’t against you its just a message for the one who will recognize themselves)

I think youre confusing the notion that "Drouin has no value to COL" (obviously this is an exaggeration) with "Drouin has no value in general" (which obviously is not true). I already said in a previous comment that Drouin has a higher ceiling than Donskoi and Burakovsky, and im not saying that Donksoi and Burakovsky are better than Drouin, just that they are satisfactory in their roles on the Avs and that there is no need to bring in Drouin. Now if you are thinking of trading Drouin to a team in need of offensive wingers then he would have lots of value to that team. Maybe you could get a high pick and a top prospect from a team in need, but that team is not Colorado.

I agree with you on that. Colorado have bigger need now. Like a third line center or a true number one goalie.
If nick bonino become available Colorado should target him, he is a gamer in playoff and have been successful wherever he played. This would be a nice addition. I know you have comtpher nd tyson jost but bonino is a major upgrade. He have proven he can stand is ground in playoff.