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Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 18 h 3
Sujet: Buh bye
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Yeah I'm not sure if NJ would consider this but they could probably do worse, they'll still get a decent player with the 14th pick. Think I'd prefer Zacha but didn't feel like a bunch of complaining so took Johnsson instead who could help the Jets trash bottom six and takes some cap from NJ.

Personally if I'm Fitzgerald I keep the pick but this is all hypothetical so thought I'd propose something a bit different than all the same trades that are posted 50 times a day ad nauseum.. lol

Am I the only one who thinks signing Helle at 31 years old can only turn out bad for the Jets??</div></div>

All comes down to the term on the deal. If it’s more than 3 years yeah, it could turn out ugly. I’d be elated if we could get the 2nd pick for helly and 14. Man woukd Wright/Cooley or Nemec/Jiricek look good on the jets.
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 17 h 43
Sujet: Buh bye
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Yeah, like the 14th overall pick will probably be a good player but is at least a year but likely more away.

Adding an impact guy next year or maybe even this year could change the outlook around this team a lot quicker than whoever they get at #14 who probably isn't a Jet till 23-24 at the earliest.

Getting a top 5 pick and drafting some kid that can replace Dubois at center or Wheeler on the wing or a much needed top pair RHD will have Jets fans forgetting about Dubois or Helle rather quickly imo.</div></div>

I feel like NJ might do that trade. If they did I think the jets make out like bandits. If Wright is there I don’t see how you don’t take him, but I also love the two RHD. Best case scenario would be getting another top 5 pick along with NJ pick to try and get a C and a RHD but that’s an absolute pipe dream.
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 15 h 7
Sujet: Why Bowness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Thats fair, one thing about Tocchet(who i really liked as a player) is he looks like he commands respect and is a no nonsense guy who wouldn't be afraid to tell Chipman to sit the **** down and tell him what needs to happen, Maurice was too much of a yes man from what I can see(and have heard).

Have heard Vincent was a big Maurice fan and believer, really not sure if he was going to be a fit though if they went into a mini rebuild with some younger guys maybe he would've worked considering that was his job with the Moose.</div></div>

I feel Bowness is the same way. There are some incredible clips out there of him having a f*ck you match with players after poor performances. He’s a no non sense guy as well.
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 14 h 43
Sujet: Why Bowness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Imo the only way the jets win, is come to realization that they are tb rays/Oakland A’s of the nhl, got to shelve the loyalty contracts, need to draft and develop, have to find gems in throw aways, and the lowest levels of pro hockey, or random location on earth. They have to stay ahead of the curve basically, defensive structure and trap and whatever else is going to get to a forever bubble adventure. Got to copy what’s going to win next, and that’s all out offense, speed/scoring/ copycat colorado but nobody giving you makar or mackinnon, so bite the bullet now, and bring in a young coach and Develop coach with the rebuild, and sell high. Or push off rebuild for a couple years of first round exit or just miss, then sell lower on your vets. I’m here for your optimism though.</div></div>

I agree with a lot of what you said. I think going younger and accepting that would’ve been smart but I’m fine with giving Bowness a chance.
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 14 h 35
Sujet: Why Bowness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>Well to use the same argument you used in the other thread about the Bowness hire its not like Tocchet had a ton of talent to work with in Arizona.. lol

I was just really hoping they'd go outside the box just a little, this isn't outside the box imo.</div></div>

No I totally agree and that’s sort of what I was referring too. People are upset about the Bowness hire, but were happy with the idea of Tocchet. They’re two guys who have been put in some tough spots as coaches. I was fine with either guy, although Tocchet as HC and Bowness as an associate would’ve been perfect.

This is definitely not outside the box, but I’m glad it’s not an Arniel hire. I was sort of hoping that Vincent was the guy and they were heading younger.
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 14 h 9
Sujet: Bowness
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MisstheWhalers</b></div><div>I don't care about Bowness' long term coaching record, this team needs goals, goals, goals not an offense sucking overly defensive structure.

This organization is run by a guy who's afraid of change, has small Winnipeg thinking syndrome and clings to Jets 1.0 days that didn't really have much to celebrate, this hiring is right in line with that.</div></div>

Were we watching the same jets team? They can’t play defense to save their lives and left hellebuyck out to dry time and time again. If anything a Bowness system is exactly what they need. They need defensive structure. I think people are overreacting lol. The guy hasn’t even coached a game yet but everyone seems to know exactly how it’ll unfold.
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 22 h 12
Sujet: Dubois real value check desc
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensman69</b></div><div>100%. Connor is incredible on that wing and has put the league on notice and isn’t talked about nearly enough as he should be. I mean I guess it could be more in part of the actual town of Winnipeg and the status of the team along with as you said the locker room shenanigans, rather than the talent around him and the coaching issues like he had in Columbus with all that Torts bogus. In the end I think the 2 sides will come to an agreement I just can’t understand why you would trade for that solidified guy at 1/2C and then willingly be okay with shipping him out with value being brought down due to him wanting out.</div></div>

I know it’s so odd. I really hope they just come to an agreement long term. Just pay the guy and make him happy.
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 22 h 4
Sujet: Dubois real value check desc
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensman69</b></div><div>Agreed, though I’m not real sure why on PLD’s standpoint, why he would want out of Winnipeg? I mean you get traded and are coming off basically a career year and you want out? Doesn’t make sense. Unless Winnipeg doesn’t wanna sign him to the number he’s asking then that’s a different story. But if he solely just wants out that’s pathetic. He’s started to fit nicely in that Jets lineup.</div></div>

I know it’s super odd. He’s playing with an elite talent in Kyle Connor. He’s likely going to be the guy at C going forward as the scheifele situation remains a question. Unless the locker room issues in Winnipeg are too much. But it seems like they are addressing that by looking to move wheeler. I don’t think Winnipeg is overly scared to pay the man. Unless he’s asking for something like 8.5+ million. I’d imagine Winnipeg would even consider 8x8.
Forum: Armchair-GMmer. à 21 h 56
Sujet: Dubois real value check desc
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensman69</b></div><div>Not a bad analogy at all tbh, valid points. Think Fiala definitely returned a lot less than expected though but if that’s the market than I’d assume a Dubois trade is pretty close to that scale as you said.</div></div>

Minnesota also couldn’t afford to keep fiala and there had been trade rumours swirling for a while. Winnipeg isn’t forced to trade PLD. They can give the guy a 1 year deal and get value similar to the fiala deal come next year if that’s what it comes to. I think that GMs are decently smart and can recognize situations other teams are in. Plus we don’t even know what Dubois really wants, only the GMs do. Does he want out of Winnipeg? Does he actually want to test FA? Would he be open to a long term deal in a big market? These are all ?’s. PLD is also younger than fiala and plays the more coveted position.

The major difference between the two is what I stated above, Minnesota was FORCED to move fiala. Winnipeg is not in a position where they are FORCED to move Dubois.

Also it’s just as annoying to see trades like this a jets fan. So, keep that in mind next time you complain.
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