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Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 12:08 pm
Forum: Armchair-GM10 oct à 3 h 14
Sujet: Hertl
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>Well the conversation was never is X better than Y. It’s, “was X better than Y the year X was traded.” Ya, that year Hall was probably better. McDavid was 5th in Hart voting that year. Hall dragged the devils kicking and screaming to the playoffs. Obviously McDavid is better, he’s won multiple Harts. I think he’s cracked the top 30 in scoring a couple times too.

This is what everyone hates about the conversations with Sharks fans these days. Posters say things like, “ya, the player that had recently won an MVP was better than the guy who’s never gotten so much as a 5th place vote for the trophy (or the selke trophy for that matter),” and you guys come back with, “so you think Hall is better than McDavid.”
No, and we don’t think Hertl is bad either, he’s just not going to get an unprecedented return.</div></div>

I rarely see other people complain about us, you on the other hand are just the biggest stick in the mud on the whole site and you have been anti sharks since you were on your banned account.
Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 23 h 47
Sujet: Hertl
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CMcAvoy73</b></div><div>I think you might be forgetting about the circumstances leading up to the Hall trade.
1. Hall had a hart season.
2. Hall got injured the next season, played 33 games at an above point per game, hart trophy rate. Injuries happen
3. He played 30 games prior to the trade. Right around a point per game, better than hertl has ever been in his career.

If hertl had won the hart, you would have an argument. But he didn’t. If Hertl had ever had a season where he was even top 30 in the league in scoring, you might have a point. Kudos to the one season where he cracked the top 50 though. Good for him.</div></div>

So Hall is better than Mcdavid? I mean he won the Hart and Mcdavid didnt so the evidence is conclusive imo.
Forum: Armchair-GM 9 oct à 18 h 23
Sujet: Hertl
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Devil1122</b></div><div>There's no way Hertl was better than Hall

Just looking at points, in each of their last 5 seasons prior to the trade
Hall: 0.93 points per game
Hertl 0.73 points per game

And if you look at the past 3 years prior to the trade
Hall: 1.11 points per game
Hertl: 0.87 points per game

Not to mention, Hall won a Hart during that time
So no Hertl is not the better player.

The only valid argument is that Hertl is a center. But that doesn't make him much more valuable than Hall</div></div>

I disagree for a couple reasons. I thought Hall was a great player but since that Hart he had only declined. Hertl has a good chance of being very similar if not higher than Halls trade year PPG of 0.8 (which is far more important than 5 year ago numbers), and Hertls advanced stats including Wins above replacement and RAPM have him as the better player both at that time and now. What your failing to take into account is that Hall is a one trick pony, and Hertl is a dominant possession driving two way top centre. Yes injuries have held his point totals back but his impacts on the overall game are very high.