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Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. 2020 à 15 h 49
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. 2020 à 15 h 43
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. 2020 à 15 h 37
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>moli92</b></div><div>1 short slump doesnt mean that COL is going to ship out high value prospects and picks. Drouin probably would score more points with MacKinnon, but my point is that any player can be put with MacKinnon and they will also produce, which makes the high value associated with Drouin pointless to the Avs. Plus he is a purely offensive winger which the Avs dont really need. Maybe you can get a good return from another team but you wont get that much from Colorado</div></div>

15 games isnt a short slump. And i know colorado won’t move for drouin. But the whole argumenting have started because he supposedly have no value and that he is a marginal players. Both of those statement where actually not true and i have shown with stats and facts that drouin was in a special group. I won’t stand here listening to people who pretend having knowledge about hockey when they can’t even make the difference between a players who generate offense by is own and a players who benefits from other players. Comparing donskoi or burakowsky to drouin is not a proof of knowledge when they are clearly not in the same category. Drouin has a lot more upside then both of them and with is deal he have value in a trade since team don’t all have productive winger. I am a big hockey fan and i watch a tons of game each year. Junior, college, ahl even europeen game along with nhl. I have enough discernment to judge players by their ability and on what they brings to the game. Unlike some people here who are completely biased and only gave credit to their own players. Some people who would say that burakowsky was a trash can then suddenly when he is on s nee team become the next great thing. That pissed off people who really care about that beautiful game. If you cheer for your teal ok fine but if you don’t no anthing about other team and players just don’t troll other people! ( the last part wasn’t against you its just a message for the one who will recognize themselves)
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. 2020 à 14 h 57
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. 2020 à 14 h 27
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>moli92</b></div><div>Drouin was a 50 point forward while playing 16:56 per game, of which 14:01 was during even strength, 2:51 was on the PP, and 0:04 was on the PK (on average). Drouin's totals were 18G+35A=53P in 81GP. 37 of these points were scored at even strength, while 16 came on the powerplay. You made a point that MTL doesnt really have a "1st line" and balances ice time between lines more evenly than most teams, which I think is a valid point. If he were to be traded to COL, lets say he would play about the same amount (about 14 mins) during even strength playing on the 2nd line. Assuming he has the same production this would mean he would also score <strong>37 points at even strength on the Avs</strong>. However, Drouin would not get top PP time on COL, he would likely play on the 2nd PP unit unless there was an injury to MacKinnon, Rantanen, Landeskog, or Kadri. But since COL draws more penalties (and takes more penalties) per game, lets say he would still get about 2:00 PP TOI/GP on COL. Since he would be playing with lesser players on PP2 in COL than PP1 on MTL, lets say his production rate drops to 85% of what it was in MTL. With his lesser PP TOI/GP and reduced PP production rate due to players around him, this would drop his powerplay points to about <strong>9.5 powerplay points in a full season, but lets round it up to 10 PPP</strong>. To summarize, COL would get a 2nd line, 2nd PP winger who doesnt kill penalties who puts up 37 points at even strength, and 10 points on the powerplay for a total of 47 points in 81 games. Now lets compare this to what Donskoi and Burakovsky are on pace for in that same role:

Donskoi: 15G+15A=29P in 44GP with 16:52 TOI/GP (24 even strength points), 2:46 PP TOI/GP (5 powerplay points), 0:41 PK TOI/GP. On pace for 53 points over 81 games.
Burakovsky: 13G+15A=28P in 42GP with 14:52 TOI/GP (20 even strength points) , 2:29 PP TOI/GP (8 powerplay points), 0:00 PK TOI/GP. On pace for 54 points over 81 games.

However Donskoi and Burakovsky did get some inflated PP time due to injuries earlier in the season. To control for this lets only consider 60% of their PPP; with these adjusted totals they are still on pace for 50 points in 81 games (for Donskoi) and 48 points in 81 games (for Burakovsky). Both of their scoring outputs match/exceed Drouins projected pace on the Avs in the same role. May I remind you that Donksoi was acquired via free agency for only 3.9M AAV, and Burakovsky was acquired via trade for an AHLer, a 2nd, and a 3rd. Drouin may have a higher ceiling, but with his current production it is easy to find others that can fill the same role</div></div>

And the fact that both have been playing with mackinnon for a 10 + game span and have make most of their production with him does not figure in your analysis. Since landeskog and rantanen have been back against Montreal the 5th of december last year. Borh players have return to there normal production. That 6 point in 17 games for both players. When rantaneN got hurts donskoi was playing with mackinnon and had 18 point in 17 games in that spend. Same for burakowsky who take the charge for landeskog. In mtl we don’t have any player close to what mackinnon can do on ice. And no one can benefit from a mvp center. I would bet a hundred box that both burakowsky and donskoi won’t break the 50 point mark this year if they don’t play eith mackinnon again this year. No one take that in consideration but it’s a huge factor. How can you explain that patrick maroon who never even get close to 20 goal suddenly score 27 and 17 in back to back season breaking the 40 points. Is most goal in any other season is 11. Simple its Connor McDavid. Donskoi and burakowsky have benefits playing 15 games with mackinnon thats is clear as crystal.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. 2020 à 23 h 38
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. 2020 à 23 h 34