Hard to say, but forsure there would have to be an extension in place before the trade.

A reasonable one. Not this $9.5M nonsense.

I don't know, I believe Nylander is worth 8-9, at least compared to other players in that range. With the cap going up for the next few years a 9.5 X 6 would perhapse make it easier to hit the floor.

I think Chicago would do this assuming Nylander would extend and Murphy is willing to waive to Canada. Certainly the best player is going to Chicago. Nylander isn't much older than Raddysh so why not? Don't know much about either Hall and Nylander in the locker room of off ice but they'd be talented guys for Bedard to start with.

Bean ( edit misspellsed bean-been) closer to a buyout than a first tbh. If he stays healthy then maybe he’s a 3rd. If he gets named in lawsuit, He’s buyout fodder.

Oh, have to. Otherwise the valuation is sp far off base Davidson may laugh

Wasn't sure where to put his value.

I like the 3rd a lot better. But the bigger point is his game is perfect for the 3rd pairing.

There are options there.

Tough call.

Both Fiala and Bratt will stand tall as comparable here. Even with the cap going up, how much more does he really get? $8.5 million seems about right all things considered.

He's an offensive playmaker. Fiala, Bratt, BUT he's looking for more than Gaudreau! $8.5M is the right amount to me too.

If he is really a asking $10 million per, I think he will be hard pressed to find a team to dive into that.

But I have a strong bias..... as I think Marner is overpaid as well - albeit it he is coming closer to that contract, I am not sure how big a raise I am doling put when the time comes.

Lol the Leafs don't even consider to begin with

No need to stress yourself by thinking about it, Leafs don't even offer that deal in the first place

Wth is this. Of course Chicago bite even if there isn’t an extension for Nylander. That is just bad for the Leafs. Hope it happen. Brodie = Murphy and Nylander >>>>>> Raddysh

I think Nylander is determined to make it to UFA and sign with the highest bidder.

With no extension the hawks would pay just as much as they paid for Taylor Hall. There's literally no benefit to the hawks having Nylander for a year.

Jackets accept. I’m driving Jake to the Columbus airport as we speak

Could probably be had for a 4th or 5th rounder if the jackets make him available

Hawks bite they will have to add a bit more for Nylander with extension.

Dear lord that Chicago trade is horrible for Toronto.

$9.5 is honestly perfectly reasonable. Even $10M is justifiable. When Nylander is on his game he’s a top 5 talent and will absolutely dominate the entire ice surface. He’s similar to Alex Kovalev in that way. $10M may seem like a high hit, but when the cap goes up significantly it’ll be a bargain. Might be a slight overpay next season, but the year after that it’ll be a good deal.

Some good comparable contracts would be:
Huberdeau: $10.5M (signed at 12.73% of cap)
Gaudreau: $9.75M (signed at 11.82% of cap)
Seguin: $9.85M (signed at 12.39% of cap)

Nylander is better than all 3 of those players. So let’s average it out - those 3 percentages averaged out would be 12.31%. With the cap unsure of for the season in which Nylander’s contract would start, we’ll just use the $83.5M so the overall number would be a bit lower.
12.31% x 83.5M = $10,278,850M

So why is Nylander not worth at least that? Just because he’s a Leaf and fans hate Leafs players?

No and it's tough to continually hear this Leaf propaganda that since not everyone else agrees on Nylander that everyone MUST therefore hate the Leafs. And what even crazier is that everyone can agree he's good. It's just that the moment we don't think he's...Johnny Gaudreau good Or Huberdeau good...coming off dual 115 point seasons... that we now HATE the Leafs and offend every fiber of Leafs fans.

I wanted the Leafs to win last year and think it's good for the NHL to have them be a good team. Marner IMO is worth every penny he's been given. The Leafs leading PKer...has a career LOW of 61 points...3rd in Selke voting. He's amazing. Nylander...in my opinion is very overrated. He's a 1way offensive playmaker like Kane/Gaudreau/Kuch/Huberdeau, BUT Nylander doesn't score like they do. He's been a PPG player once in his EIGHT years and never more than 90 points. Can't play physical. Can't play a 2way game. Doesn't play against the opponents shut down line. And EVERY year he gets bench and bumped up to be with Matthews "to get him going". Every year. Thats not a $9.5M player.

Nylander is good. He's really good. He's not great. And because I said the 3rd one...that means I obviously hate the Leafs organization...

Having Nylander play with Hall & Bedard would be awesome. Toronto giving up a ton here for futures, would need Chicago to take Murray as well and Chicago would still need to add a sweetner.

The easiest way to lose a Nylander trade is to attach a cap dump to try and salvage a horrible return.

This is a terrible deal for Toronto and would be a massive error but let's look at ir just from Chicago's side.

It really depends on what their plans are for the draft, what Murphy's future is on the team, and how much they value him + what the offers for him were last year and now.


Chicago can flip Nylander who would probably be a top 3 rental option would probably be Hellebuyck, Scheifele and him, all 3 would probably command at least 1st+ top prospect (worst case Nylander gets a 1st+2nd).

I do think Chicago would want the option to be able to sign him, so that they don't end up with a tiny return, and Brodie would probably need to be immediately flipped for a return (maybe a 2nd+3rd+4th with retention, probably too early to land a 1st). That way they would be set up to get good/great value out of Murphy.

He's been PPG+ twice now and every year (except his hold out year) has been an improvement on the last (Gaudreau's numbers are all over, surprised people think he's better than Huberdeau), so I would at least expect another PPG season.

Fiala is comparable to Nylander as a player now, but he signed as an RFA and he only had one PPG season. He needed a contract and that year and the following were flat caps. Nylander is better than Bratt who is also signing at as an RFA. So, while Bratt likely catches up to Nylander during that contract (maybe even this year), he's 24 so that means there's still another pay day waiting for him at 32.

Forsberg is a good comparable as a player but also in terms of contract situation. He signed 8.5Mx8 but he didn't hit the open market and he signed in a tax free state. Nylander is going to start at 9M+ on the open market and as @MoreHitzSeider pointed out likely goes to the highest bidder that nets him the most money (not necessarily the highest cap hit). Reality is the cap is going up and there are typically teams willing to overpay on ufas.

If Chicago wants to keep Nylander or sign him as a ufa next year, they are probably offering 8.5-9. 25Mx7. They won't be the highest bidders but they aren't going to chase him. I would think they offer 8.8Mx7 contract with large signing bonuses.

This is a very fair and well thought out response. I appreciate this comment because you've brought good supporting information. And I do agree with much if it.

I actually don't hate Nylander. He can be very useful. I'm a Hawks fan (previously said Kaner's a 1way player...just last comment) and I get the game takes all types of players to create a team. I just don't want to take the risk. I'd prefer to stick to the plan. Don't lose draft picks or assets. Draft and develop you're own players. There are no quick fixes.