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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 7 heures
Sujet: Draft day trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>From the devils POV would you rather take wright at 2 or trading Wright+2023 1st for Cat? If i'm the devils I take Wright. Just trying to considering the other teams side here.

We interact fairly often on this site so I do want to put this out there. I'll be shocked if cat isn't on the opening night blackhawks roster. I just don't see any team coming up to Davidson's demands, and in the little we've seen from KD he doesn't seem like he's going to back down from them easily. Consider me shocked if cat is traded at all, and even more shocked if its in the next 24 hours before the draft</div></div>

Oh I'm baffled the two teams with the most interest are actually two teams worse than the Hawks last year. It makes zero sense for either of them to pull the 2022 version of the Seth Jones trade. BUT that doesn't mean the Hawks bend to their demands either. I'm 100% ok if he's on the roster. TDL moves get more bang for the buck anyway.

***edit*** I guess maybe the NJD might be able because of their farm system depth. The Hawks traded away futures without having any depth.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 8 heures
Sujet: Draft day trades
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wadejos123</b></div><div>Add Ty smith/ Nolan foote/ zacha whatever surrounding pieces to make it look better to the eye. I don't think NJ is parting with Holtz+2nd Oa nor is any team parting with a package that big. If Kd is really sticking to his guns that he wants that much, i would be very happy to keep cat. Just exploring the option of a Wright for Cat trade, because I do think it is interesting. If this was the exact trade but to MTL for 1st overall I think people would already be more open to it. I get that we should get multiple pieces not just one, but part of the concern here is just optics imo</div></div>

I can understand Holtz may not be part of the deal. But I don't see any reason the 2023 1st with top 10 protection is out of the question. If they can't be a top 20 team in the NHL either of the next two years...what are they truly expecting to happen by acquiring Debrincat?
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 12 h 55
Sujet: Rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>I think the Carolina trade is a little light. But I could see them making a move for Cat too.</div></div>

It's tough because it's light on picks for sure. Picks are something you can assign a hard value to. Even if it's a future pick...it's a kinda roughly known commodity. Once someone gets drafted it no longer matters where they we picked. So, it's more difficult to measure prospects. I'm not 100% sure if you have looked into Scott Morrow, but he's actually tracking Cale Makar's progress at the same exact school. OBVIOUSLY, we can't just translate a prospect into a guy that's literally in a class of (3) of the all-time greats with Orr and Lidstrom. I'm not trying even attempting to say he's the next Makar. As far as prospects go though...I'd much rather have Morrow than another 1st round pick.
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 14 h 30
Sujet: Toews
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>gdli</b></div><div>If the objective is to go for it in 22-23, I agree. In the words of Denholm Elliot who played the Butler in the 80s movie TRADING PLACES starring Eddie Murphy, Dan Ackroyd and Jamie Lee Curtis "Cracked Crab of Lobster, Can't We do Both." If you also want to retain either or both of them in the out years, the math doesn't work. I tried a KANE-TOEWS-CAT scenario for a boatload of NYRs in return, some who would have had to waive NMCs and NTCs. Assuming the Rangers given in return were acceptable (I did not post this one), the finances worked for the Hawks. an additional sweetener to keep the rebuild going was an additional $10.5M to spend in 23-24. On the Ranger side of this blockbuster, everything looked good TOEW and KANE back at $7.5-$8M for 3-4 years, but collapsed when the NYR couldn't afford cat for the long term. Even if you removed the CAT (I tried that too, the finances would not work in in any scenario for either one of both of them.</div></div>

If I were the NYR I'd treat it like a 1 year rental scenario. Kaner's still elite and Toews is still a good center. Kubalik was Toews most common linemate which he's a nice player but very far from actually playing with a guy like Kane or Panarin. Heck Toews is amazing at the dot...maybe put him between the two.

Anyway as far a finances go, another team will need to step in for cap purposes, BUT both Toews/Kane got their signing bonus on July 1st. So they're each only owed $2.9M in cash. What that means is a team like BUF/ANA/NJD/etc... would need to pay in cash a whopping $1.45M to retain on BOTH Toews/Kane combined. That's not a ton of cash and you could get two different teams so it's only $745k.

As far as trade return. I know Kaapo was a high draft pick, but in this hypothetical scenario...he can't play a top 6 role because he and Kaner play the same position. He's not going to get the proper development he needs to succeed. I think he should be the biggest piece of the trade. The Hawks will log a bazillion minutes for him.
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 10 h 23
Sujet: Deangelo maybe
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>drambui</b></div><div>reports said they were many team wanting deangelo services though, all pretty much around league minimum. dont think he sees carolina the way you mentioned it. thats just my point of view of this situation.</div></div>

Really? You have got to question whatever report you read. I'm curious why the guy coming off a 53 point season in 68 games was bought out of his contract and then when he could choose any team and sign for any amount...he could only get $1M? I mean words and reports are one thing, but the action of signing for only $1M speaks louder than any words. Don't forget he did also clear waivers. I'm not sure I know a better way to show that every single team could have had him and they passed.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 15 h 49
Sujet: next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Was Lecavalier traded for a top-5 pick?

A top-2 pick in almost any year is likely a franchise-altering pick. Whether it’s Cooley, Wright, Skafkovsky … <strong><em>it would become a centerpiece to any teams rebuild</em></strong>.</div></div>

Fine, "center piece of a rebuild" Let's do this. Draft picks can bust <strong>or simply be decent/mediocre</strong> VERY easily. Can you get a Barkov....sure, but you could just as easily get a Ryan Murray. You're completely ignoring the downside and just saying the #2 OA is a guarantee.

2000 - DiPietro / Heatly - 50%
2001 - Kovy / Spezza - 100%
2002 - Nash / Lehtonen - 50%
2003 - MAF / Eric Staal - 100%
2004 - Ovi - Malkin - 100%
2005 - Crosby / Ryan - 50%
2006 - Johnson / Jordan Staal - 0%
2007 - Kane / JVR - 50%
2008 - Stamkos / Doughty - 100%
2009 - Tavares / Hedman - 100%
2010 - Hall / Seguin - meh...75%/75% I guess. Certainly neither have been franchise altering.
2011 - RNH - Landy - same...75%/75% neither of them worthy of the #1 or #2...they're decent players
2012 - Yak - Ryan Murray - 0%
2013 - MacK - Barkov - 100%
2014 - Ekblad - Reinhart - 0%
2015 - McDavid - Eichel - 100%
2016 - Matthews - Laine - 50%
2017 - Nico - Nolan - 0%

So 7 times out of 17 years have both picks actually been worth of top 2 selections.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 14 h 47
Sujet: Hawks Fans what is the return
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hullsy09</b></div><div>They also need a center, and bringing in Kane destroys any chance of bringing back copp/strome. I also think it would be extremely difficult to resign Kane with LAF/Jones/Miller/Schneider/Kaako/Chytil needs deals soon, one or two of those guys are probably going back in the deal but still. I respect your point tho</div></div>

The thing is that Patrick Kane is literally the best (Realistic) piece the NYR could find. Sure McDavid, but that's not realistic. The NYR need primary assist playmakers. Kane was 4th in the NHL in Primary Assists. Yes, they need a #2C as well, but I'm pretty dang sure that if Debrincat and Kaner are gone...Toews wouldn't mind heading to the Rangers as well. They'd of course need AZ/BUF/ANA or some team to jump in and eat cap space, but that shouldn't be hard to find because it's 1 year of cap and their salary is minuscule. The Hawks just paid $4M to each of them two days ago for their signing bonus...only $2.9M left to pay and the Hawks will eat half of that so 25% would mean a TOTAL of $1.45M for a team to eat salary wise.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 14 h 18
Sujet: next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Lecavalier is not a comp.

Top-2 picks never get traded because of their value to bottom-tier teams. Star wingers get moved all the time.

If Devils were to move #2 pick for DeBrincat, that would be it from NJD. No additional 1sts or prospects. And Hawks would probably be thrilled. But NJD isn’t moving the pick unless something special comes along. DeBrincat is good, but there are a lot of good wingers out there.</div></div>

I 100% agree that it won't be TWO top 2 picks. Especially next year. Bedard/Michkov could both be franchise altering players. I would be VERY upset if we just got Logan Cooley. That would just be stupid on the part of Kyle Davidson. You don't trade Debrincat a known product for guy you hope to be Debrincat maybe one day. #2 picks turn out to be Nolan Patrick or Nail Yakupov or Dylan Strome or Sam Reinhart too!

***EDIT*** How is Lecavalier not a comp? Debrincat's outpacing him in every mark. It took Lecavalier 5 seasons to get to the 30 goal mark and 8 seasons to break 40. Unless that's what you meant. Debrincat's actually better, but somehow, I don't think you meant that.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 14 h 7
Sujet: next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Way, way too much. Can you come up with one trade comp, from anytime throughout NHL history, that a team has given a top-2 pick, another 1st and a top-10 prospect?</div></div>

That's a very specific request. I'm going from memory, but I think Vincent Lecavalier. MAF doesn't quite have all the pieces and the 1999 draft is mostly picks and it's a weird 3-4 trade swap. Certainly not recently, but that's only because teams tend to want to keep their 24 year old players that have multiple 40 goal seasons already under their belt and in the bubble he was on a 50 GOAL pace, but if you could get Vincent Lecavalier...you do it. The Cat for Holtz (Or Foote) , 2022 1st, and 2023 1st with protections is reasonable.

It's usually the other way around like Eric Lindros and the Flyers, but no one's thinking that any of these guys are generational talents like a Matthews/McDavid.
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