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Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 11 mai 2020
Publié: 11 mai 2020
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I saw this suggestion on Reddit so I’m just going to put this out there for discussion.

Honestly, Marner has not played like himself at all this season & it’s been really frustrating to watch him. I don’t think anyone questions his ability as his work ethic seems highly controversial. He just doesn’t seem to be skating hard, winning battles & getting involved in the play. Perhaps he re-aggravated his ankle sprain & is deadline with a wrist injury, but the magic has been gone from him.

The rumour was that the Leafs front office & coaching staff is sick of Marner’s antics but there are not any teams that want to acquire him. So if they want to get rid of him, they have to hope there is a CBO or they expose him to Seattle.
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    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 19
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    Quoting: MaxDomi13
    67 pts in 59 games is not himself? Last season he had, what, 92 pts? This year if he played 82 games he would've had 93.


    Was just about to point that out lol
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 20
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    I think the blame has to be on Marner & his camp for wanting as much money as they did.


    Marner is an elite player. People may be thrown off by the contract, but the reality is contracts like Ladd, Lucic, Eriksson, etc hurt WAY more than an expensive player who is still producing at a high level. Losing him to Seattle is the most absurd thing I have ever heard.
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 21
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    Ok buddy. Hes overpaid by 1.5 million relative to his comparables. None of the the stuff you mentioned will happen, hes still an elite player
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 23
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    Quoting: Leafsfan416
    lol agreed. Love Marner the player, hate his contact. Waited so ****in long for the Leafs to have players like Nylander, Matthews, and Marner, on the Leafs, I would hate to see one of them traded. I'd rather Dubas find value contracts than trade one of these guys.


    Exactly. You have to overpay extremely good players by a lot before you actually start losing overall value on the player.
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 34
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    Quoting: MadLin27
    That is how good Marner actually is haha. Most Leafs fans would agree that he has another gear.

    People get thrown off by the contract, but at the end of the day he makes any team significantly better


    Sure Marner got overpaid but that doesn't mean he's worth nothing. He definitely has value as a top 10 winger in the league.

    I'm not opposed to trading him but giving him up for free would be a terrible mistake.
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    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 35
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    Quoting: Jack_
    Exactly. You have to overpay extremely good players by a lot before you actually start losing overall value on the player.


    They certainly lost value just based on the term and AAV they got but they are still extremely valuable pieces.
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    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 36
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    It has been speculated that teams aren’t willing to give up assets for him.


    MitchMarnerElite you speculating is not speculation around the league
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 36
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    They're further away from contention than they were before all these trades.

    Also 5.5Mx5 on Hyman? Ouch.
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 40
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    They're further away from contention than they were before all these trades.

    Also 5.5Mx5 on Hyman? Ouch.


    Talk about an overpayment lol - Hyman is the definition of a player putting up numbers because of his line mates lol
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    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 44
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    They certainly lost value just based on the term and AAV they got but they are still extremely valuable pieces.


    Sure but he still brings positive value to the team based off of his on ice abilities even if he is overpaid a bit. Star players have such a big impact on the game that's its actually hard to overpay them. Personally I think marner is worth 11 or 12 million but because his comparables have signed for around 9.5 hes overpaid but realistically it's the other players that are underpaid.
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 46
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    Quoting: Jack_
    Sure but he still brings positive value to the team based off of his on ice abilities even if he is overpaid a bit. Star players have such a big impact on the game that's its actually hard to overpay them. Personally I think marner is worth 11 or 12 million but because his comparables have signed for around 9.5 hes overpaid but realistically it's the other players that are underpaid.


    I think Marner's worth about 10M. I'd definitely rather 2 Nylanders than Marner and Kerfoot.
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 46
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    They're further away from contention than they were before all these trades.

    Also 5.5Mx5 on Hyman? Ouch.


    hyman will be taking a tanev deal as he mentioned many times he isnt in it for the money, he is in it to play hockey
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 47
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    I think the blame has to be on Marner & his camp for wanting as much money as they did.


    Also the whole Babcock thing
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 49
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    Quoting: Leafs_and_Sens_Fan
    They're further away from contention than they were before all these trades.

    Also 5.5Mx5 on Hyman? Ouch.


    Apparently its either 4x4 or 3.5x6. Would rather take 4x4 he plays a pretty physical game and we could see a dropoff for sure
    11 mai 2020 à 12 h 59
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    Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
    Giving 11 mil to Marner after just 1 elite season when the vast majority of first liner wingers made a few mil less was a dumb idea. Not trying to move Marner


    Quoting: KakkoForMauriceRichardAward
    And rightly so. TOR would need to retain at least 1,5 mil. Maybe 2 mil even


    The Leafs should’ve locked up Marner 8x9 during the 2018 Offseason before everything went out of hand. The Leafs obviously have to retain but even then my understanding is that they may not get much value back.
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 0
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    Quoting: dartguy22
    @MitchMarnerElite "The rumour was that the Leafs front office & coaching staff is sick of Marner’s antics but there are not any teams that want to acquire him. So if they want to get rid of him, they have to hope there is a CBO or they expose him to Seattle."


    please show me this rumour and the source


    https://www.reddit.com/r/leafs/comments/g8fnuo/mitch_marner_is_the_heartbeat_of_the_current/fontjp4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 1
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    Quoting: Jambo
    you sent away Marner for nothing so you could pay Connor brown and Mackenzie weegar


    Weegar is a legit top pair shutdown defenseman who can move the puck. A Hyman-Kerfoot-Brown shutdown line would be perfect for Toronto.
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 2
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    Quoting: Claesson4Norris
    Sens aren't giving Brown Back.


    I could give a 1st & a prospect for him but I was just trying to get a good underrated defensive Forward like him, ZAR or Nichuskin.
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 3
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    Quoting: MaxDomi13
    67 pts in 59 games is not himself? Last season he had, what, 92 pts? This year if he played 82 games he would've had 93.


    Yes but he hasn’t been playing as good overall. Look at the Leafs’ position in the standings.
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 6
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    Quoting: palhal
    I don't understand all this love for Weegar. And if he's that good, why does Florida trade him. It's kind of a unpractical scenario to have a player sign a "show me contract" which brings him so close to UFA.
    Marner to Seattle. Actually I don't mind it...with the following conditions. First try to trade him in needed for a "fair return" including futures. I see the purpose of leaving him exposed and he's claimed because then the Leafs would have close to 11m to spend elsewhere. Assuming they can spend 11m better than Marner.

    Are they contenders? It's hoping that some players are unexpected better than what should be expected. I think it's time to move on from Andersen.
    You have a cap of 88m. I think salaries will be based on that. Then every player takes a 33% pay cut because the "actual" cap based on revenues will be 60m in 21/22


    Florida needs a good LHD so in this scenario they trade Weegar for Dermott who is slightly worse plus Johnsson & a 2nd. I did the 3.8 million dollar deal for 1 year just so they could get the cap space next season.
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 7
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    Quoting: MitchMarnerElite
    Weegar is a legit top pair shutdown defenseman who can move the puck. A Hyman-Kerfoot-Brown shutdown line would be perfect for Toronto.


    like i said youre the worst, sure decent shutdown line, thanks cpt obvious, but weegar take is horrible
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 9
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    Quoting: Leafsfan416
    lol agreed. Love Marner the player, hate his contact. Waited so ****in long for the Leafs to have players like Nylander, Matthews, and Marner, on the Leafs, I would hate to see one of them traded. I'd rather Dubas find value contracts than trade one of these guys.


    Quoting: Boomer125
    His comparables all got 7 million x 3 years - Leafs have essentially overpaid Marner x 3 million in those first 3 years as the cap was slated to rise significantly (around 90 million) when his comparables are all up for resigning - theoretically Marner would be at the 11 mark for an additional 3 years while his comparables that took bridge deals would be commanding around the 12/13 mark as they'd be negotiating a percentage of cap and with cap hitting the high mark it was projected at the time would be priced higher than Marners current deal. That is thought process with Marner signing - Dubas certainly had a 3 year option at around the 7/8 mark but would have just pushed the cap issue down the road


    Quoting: F50marco
    I think you have to understand that no GM may not want to take on ALL of Marner's contract. Assuming either Toronto eats some of it OR they take back some cap there will be a lineup of team willing to take Marner on.

    So this idea that no team is willing to take him on simply doesn't make sense. Two teams actively traded for Dion Phaneuf........... After he stopped being good................... I think teams can work out a way to take on Marner.

    That's all assuming Leafs front office even want to trade Marner which I don't think they do, unless a fair value trade is offered in which they have to explore it.

    If I were Montreal I would gladly take Marner off your hands for free, right now.


    Quoting: MadLin27
    That is how good Marner actually is haha. Most Leafs fans would agree that he has another gear.

    People get thrown off by the contract, but at the end of the day he makes any team significantly better


    I love Marner more than any other player in the league but we have to realize that because of his absurd contract negotiation the Leafs end up losing out on really good players such as Brown, Johnsson, Dermott, Gardiner & Hainsey which ultimately hurts their chances of winning.
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 10
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    Modifié 11 mai 2020 à 13 h 54
    Quoting: Jack_
    Ok buddy. Hes overpaid by 1.5 million relative to his comparables. None of the the stuff you mentioned will happen, hes still an elite player


    I was reading so many Reddit threads yesterday evening in which the users stated that Marner is worthless & that they’d be willing to cap dump him.

    I love Marner more than any other player in the league but we have to realize that because of his absurd contract negotiation Leafs ended up losing out on really good players such as Brown, Johnsson, Dermott, Gardiner & Hainsey which ultimately hurts their chances of winning.
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 11
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    Quoting: aadoyle
    hyman will be taking a tanev deal as he mentioned many times he isnt in it for the money, he is in it to play hockey


    If he wants that, it would be great for the Leafs but I’m paying based off what he’s probably worth.
    11 mai 2020 à 13 h 32
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    I haven't been on this site for months and it hasn't changed at all. This robot is still trying to make human friends by saying the same thing every day. What a joke.
     
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