Why is Aho not a comparable

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Créé par: leafsFan1996

Équipe: 2019-20 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 29 août 2019

Publié: 29 août 2019

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Aho is in the same tier as Rantanen, Point and Marner.

Aho is the best forward on his team which is not true for the other players listed and he is a center which adds more value than rantenan or Marner.

Sure it was an offersheet but he still had to accept the money. I don't understand why this is not a precedent for the other high end RFA's. especially with no other viable offersheet threats which lowers the leverage the rfa's currently have.

it bugs me when people (especially on here) try to galaxy brain why Marner should make 2-3 million more than his direct comparables.

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RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Marner, Mitchell		5	8 450 000 $

Rachats de contrats

Mikhail Grabovski: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Phil Kessel: 1 200 000 $ (15%)

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	81 500 000 $	80 372 199 $	0 $	0 $	1 127 801 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Hyman, Zach 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 6	Marner, Mitchell 8 450 000 $8 450 000 $ AD UFA - 6
Johnsson, Andreas 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 4	Matthews, Auston 11 634 000 $11 634 000 $ C UFA - 5	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD UFA - 5
Mikheyev, Ilya 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Kerfoot, Alexander 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, C, AD UFA - 4	Kapanen, Kasperi 3 200 000 $3 200 000 $ AD UFA - 3
Agostino, Kenny 737 500 $737 500 $ AG UFA - 2	Spezza, Jason 700 000 $700 000 $ C, AD NTC UFA - 1	Moore, Trevor 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Muzzin, Jake 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Barrie, Tyson 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Rielly, Morgan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG UFA - 3	Ceci, Cody 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ DD UFA - 1	Hutchinson, Michael 700 000 $700 000 $ G UFA - 1
Dermott, Travis 863 333 $863 333 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Schmaltz, Jordan 700 000 $700 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Shore, Nick 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 1		Horton, Nathan 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Åberg, Pontus 700 000 $700 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1		Clarkson, David 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ AD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 1
Holl, Justin 675 000 $675 000 $ DD UFA - 1

29 août 2019 à 11 h 4

wojme

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Leafs fans will say marner is better than Aho except when it comes time to pay him...

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 4

csick

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Again I have to say it: 4 years x 12 mill for Marner is reasonable

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 5

feds91stammer

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94 is bigger than 83

and

224 is bigger than 197

29 août 2019 à 11 h 5

Barbs

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Aho is 100% comparable. The only reason fans think he deserves more is due to the hype machine fueled by a couple of guys named Darren

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 6

CD282

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Short answer: He is.

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 6

feds91stammer

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If they are all in the same tier Marner is the top of the tier as he has out produced all of them...

29 août 2019 à 11 h 7

Goulet

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It boils down to an inferiority complex from Marner's camp which leads to numbers being thrown around that don't make a lot of sense...for anyone other than Marner. And his supporters.

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 7

CD282

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Quoting: csick

Again I have to say it: 4 years x 12 mill for Marner is reasonable

Yeah, **** the Leafs!

29 août 2019 à 11 h 7

feds91stammer

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Quoting: wojme

Leafs fans will say marner is better than Aho except when it comes time to pay him...

Pretty much this. How dare this 94 point player want to get paid as such.

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 8

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F50marco

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For starters, Aho is closer to Point being that there both centers. Secondly, Marner scored more points than all these guys did. Playing in Toronto means higher taxes than Carolina. Aho took a deal that was lower than he probably should have got. The reason he said "**** it" is because he got a huge chunk of money right away so it kind of swayed him to take a little less than he might have been able to get had he waited out.

Im not saying Marner deserves 12M or anything but I also don't think 10M is asking too much for him either.

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 8

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shmoeman

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His comparables are Tavares and Matthews, if you pay your two stars 11 mill, the third is going to want (and deserve) somewhere around 11 mill as well

29 août 2019 à 11 h 8

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exo2769

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Lots of little reasons why. Marner's done it for 2 seasons vs Aho's 1. CAR started with a lowball offer and MTL ultimately did CAR a favor by issuing the offer sheet. but most of all...there is a history of Dubas caving in these situations and if you treat 1 person a certain way...why am I any different?

29 août 2019 à 11 h 9

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bhavikp27

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Quoting: csick

Again I have to say it: 4 years x 12 mill for Marner is reasonable

13 for 3 or 14 for 2 also works imo

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 9

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AndrewLadd

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Quoting: Barbs

Aho is 100% comparable. The only reason fans think he deserves more is due to the hype machine fueled by a couple of guys named Darren

and Paul

29 août 2019 à 11 h 10

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SammyT_51

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He is. 100%. Id argue that Aho is better player than Marner just because of his versatility on wing and center.

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 11

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CD282

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Quoting: feds91stammer

If they are all in the same tier Marner is the top of the tier as he has out produced all of them...

Also: 30 is more than 26, and 83 is more than 67.

Marner has also had better linemates. Aho plays center which is more valuable. There are factors that balance things out here - nothing you say indicates a player worth millions more annually.

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 11

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leafsFan1996

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Quoting: feds91stammer

If they are all in the same tier Marner is the top of the tier as he has out produced all of them...

Rantanen: 1.17 Points per game, 0.42 Goals Per game
Marner: 1.15 points per game, 0.32 goals per game

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 13

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CD282

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Quoting: F50marco

Aho signed the contract with Montreal, remember? I'm pretty sure you'll find Quebec taxes similar to Ontario's.

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 13

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Riley816

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Quoting: CD282

Short answer: He is.

He is. Marner's played one more game. Has 27 more points. Approximately 10% more . That's 8.54 plus 10%. Or 10.3 mil over 5 year...

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leafsFan1996

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Quoting: feds91stammer

Pretty much this. How dare this 94 point player want to get paid as such.

what about the 41 goal 128 point player making 9.5 million, or the 30 goal, 83 point center making 8.45?

Getting paid as such is around this area not 11 million

29 août 2019 à 11 h 15

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F50marco

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Quoting: CD282

Aho signed the contract with Montreal, remember? I'm pretty sure you'll find Quebec taxes similar to Ontario's.

That's funny, does that mean Aho is being taxed in Quebec right now?..... He signed that deal knowing Carolina would match....where the taxes aren't as high....

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29 août 2019 à 11 h 15

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feds91stammer

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Quoting: Riley816

He is. Marner's played one more game. Has 27 more points. Approximately 10% more . That's 8.54 plus 10%. Or 10.3 mil over 5 year...

lol exactly

29 août 2019 à 11 h 16

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feds91stammer

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Quoting: leafsFan1996

what about the 41 goal 128 point player making 9.5 million, or the 30 goal, 83 point center making 8.45?

Getting paid as such is around this area not 11 million

Comparing the Kuch signing is silly for so many reasons.

29 août 2019 à 11 h 16

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Barbs

Biased Opinion

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Quoting: AndrewLadd

and Paul

I got no issue with Paul. Things I've heard him say may seem outlandish but it's not that crazy to think your kid is the best cause he's your kid. The Darren's are the far more guilty party since Ferris basically throws a tantrum in front of the media every off season and Dreger basically acts as the soapbox for Ferris to stand on in exchange for the rights to break the story first. Guaranteed when Marner finally puts pen to paper Dreger will be the first to confirm it.

29 août 2019 à 11 h 16

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CD282

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Quoting: exo2769

Marner's done it for 2 seasons vs Aho's 1.

Done what? In 2017-18 Marner scored 0.84 P/GP while Aho was at 0.83. But, Aho scored 29 goals to Marner's 22. So what exactly has Marner done for 2 seasons that Aho has only done for 1?

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