Blazingbat11

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Forum: NHL Signings17 sep à 8 h 11
Sujet: Montreal Canadiens signed Joel Edmundson (4 Years / $3,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>bhavikp27</b></div><div>Tant que les revenus hockey ne vont pas atteindre 3,3 milliards, la masse ne pas pas monter. Parti comme c'est là, je doute que la masse augmente de 5-8M$ d'ici deux ans. Plus comme 2M$ (au mieux) et ça c'est si l'entièreté des deux prochaines saisons régulières est jouée. Et si c'est correct pour toi de donner 3,5M$ à un défenseur remplaçant, c'est ton choix. En même temps, c'est pas comme si Montréal avait besoin de cet argent...

Facile de dire " il vient boucher un trou ", n'importe quel joueur fait ça quand il rejoint une équipe. La question est comment il joue quand on lui donne ce rôle et dans le cas d'Edmundson, il a jamais été vraiment bon si on prend les cinq années de sa carrière LNH et qu'on en fait un récapitulatif. Est-ce que c'est garanti qu'il soit aussi mauvais ou même pire? Non, le contraire peut se produire mais jusqu'à maintenant, dans sa carrière, il a jamais été plus qu'un 6e. C'est pour ça que la plupart des personnes disent que c'est un mauvais contrat. T'as le droit d'espérer que c'est un bon contrat dans le futur; il l'est pas juste pas en ce moment.</div></div>

A French Bruins fan.... please tell me your not from Qc lol

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Forum: NHL Signings17 sep à 3 h 08
Sujet: Montreal Canadiens signed Joel Edmundson (4 Years / $3,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SkatinTintin</b></div><div><img class="for_img" src="https://i.imgur.com/aChyK0x.png" alt="aChyK0x.png">

Gardiner was a good 3rd pairing d-man.

Edmundson was trash on every pairing. In fact, he found a way to make Slavin and Pesce bad when he played with them.</div></div>

I know that's why I said:

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Blazingbat11</b></div><div> I see all the analytical struggles during the season that everyone seems to love pointing out, which is obviously a concern.</div></div>

Wasn't Gardiner a healthy scratch in the playoffs???

Anyways, Obviously Edmundson struggled in CAR. That isn't what Bergevin is banking on. He's going off of his playoff success and his time in STL. Take a look, this was the year before he went to CAR:

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Forum: NHL Signings17 sep à 0 h 49
Sujet: Montreal Canadiens signed Joel Edmundson (4 Years / $3,500,000 AAV)
Lots of negativity on here with regards to the trade/contract lol I'm just trying to trying to make sense of it and actually look at both pros and cons. So here it goes:

Bergevin basically just gave him the same deal he gave Chiarot. The extra year is just Chiarot was 28 when he signed for 3, Edmundson is 27 signed for 4. Both will finish their contract at age 31. Either way I think it's 1 or 2 years too many (con), but the AAV actually seems market value (looking at Scandella contract), so I'm surprised MTL didn't "overpay" in terms of AAV like they normally have to (pro), which explains they extra term. Not trying to compare the two, but Bergevin is obviously trying to emulate the same success he had with Chiarot with Edmundson. No guarantee it'll happen, but I won't be quick to judge.

One interesting aspect that those hating on this trade/contract seem to want to ignore (or maybe they just didn't do their homework) is that Edmundson has performed extremely well in the playoffs his entire career (53 career playoff games). I see all the analytical struggles during the season that everyone seems to love pointing out, which is obviously a concern (con), but it goes almost the opposite direction come playoff time (pro). Even this past playoffs, with only 4 games (missed games to injury or being "unfit to play"), Edmundson analytically performed better than most of his Dmen teammates and played over 23minutes a game...

Also, for those mentioning CAR were going to let him walk anyway, 100% they would of kept him over Gardiner if they weren't stuck with his contract.


Anyways, if Bergevin / Julien plan on consistently playing him in a top 4 role, this is a risky move. Too risky imo. But my bet is that they are hoping Romanov meets their expectations and they can slot Edmundson on their 3rd pairing, which is a definite upgrade over the abysmal guys Habs had during the past playoffs (Mete-Ouellet.....ugh). My verdict is that it's not a good move, but not a bad one either, and there's potential for it to go either way. I guess we'll see.
Forum: Armchair-GM15 sep à 0 h 43
Sujet: Getting Pietro is the ONLY WAY we move Letang which is crazy
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mhockey91</b></div><div>for the long term, sure, but as of right now, hes still a top D in this league and there is no denying that</div></div>

Trying to keep a cool head, I'd stay clear of Letang period, and yes I'd prefer Petry over him. Obviously Letang is the better player, no debate there, but the difference between them isn't worth what the Habs would have to sacrifice to acquire Letang AND having to let go or move Petry as well. All this without mentioning the amount of mileage and durability questions concerning Letang, Habs already have enough of that with Weber. Petry is 32 yes, but he was a late bloomer and compared to Letang, doesn't come close to having the same amount of mileage. I'd have zero issue giving Petry an extension at $7mil aav. Once Letang's deal expires in 2022, I'd be extremely cautious at extending him at 35 years old...

So in a vaccum, right now, Letang over Petry (obviously)

Taking everything into context from the Habs perspective (cost of acquisition, positional need of the team, mid to long term outlook, etc.) Petry over Letang.

If you want a market value return for Letang, it won't be from MTL.
Forum: Armchair-GM14 sep à 2 h 21
Sujet: Prepare for the worst Habs need a RD and 2 RW Please read description
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMs</b></div><div>Bergevin will try to extend Petry and Gallagher this summer, if he can’t, hopefully we have a bad 2020-2021 season so we can trade Gallagher Petry Tatar Danault Allen at the TDL</div></div>

Exactly! That's what these deals are for. Whether you lose them for nothing or trade them at the deadline (which would only be for picks and prospects), you still need to be prepared to "replace" them as best you can for the following season. I think this does that. Bergevin can't go into next offseason without something in place already for those guys leaving. Bergevin did not have a backup for Markov and Radulov, and look how that turned out. Heck, Habs still haven't been able to replace them yet...
Forum: Armchair-GM14 sep à 2 h 15
Sujet: Prepare for the worst Habs need a RD and 2 RW Please read description
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Arlotti47</b></div><div>Ducks accept if you take out Comtois
Rakell &gt; Domi
Comtois &gt; Poehling</div></div>

I think both comparisons are extremely close. But trying to be as unbiased as possible. I'll grant that Comtois &gt; Poehling, not by much, but for sure there's an argument for it. Which is why I replied to the other comment that I would be ok adding a pick if needed. Gotta disagree with Rakell being greater than Domi. If anything it's the other way around. I wrote this in another thread but here it is:
"Domi and Rakell are about as close in value as it gets. If anything there's a very very slight edge to Domi. Career Rakell 283pts in 447games, Domi 251pts in 375games. Rakell's contract is great for two more years, yes, but then he's a UFA approaching 30. Domi is younger and still under team control for at least 2 more years. Domi has the option of actually playing Center. Rakell is more known for being a scoring winger, yet Domi has scored more goals than him for the past 2 seasons...."
Forum: Armchair-GM11 sep à 4 h 08
Sujet: Domi to Anaheim and Taylor Hall
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wqrrior</b></div><div><strong>Drouin is an overpaid 3rd liner</strong>

<strong>I personally equate Domi's value as an RFA to a pair of 2nds.</strong> </div></div>

If you think Habs fans overvalue their players, you've gone the complete other end of the spectrum. The 2 claims above are simply ridiculous.

Domi and Rakell are about as close in value as it gets. If anything there's a very very slight edge to Domi. Career Rakell 283pts in 447games, Domi 251pts in 375games. Rakell's contract is great for two more years, yes, but then he's a UFA approaching 30. Domi is younger and still under team control for at least 2 more years. Domi has the option of actually playing Center. Rakell is more known for being a scoring winger, yet Domi has scored more goals than him for the past 2 seasons....

Drouin being an overpaid 3rd liner lmao.....I don't even know where to begin...



I thought we could've had a reasonable debate / discussion...nvm
Forum: Armchair-GM11 sep à 0 h 47