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Trade down Cap weaponization

Créé par: Jaskwatch
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 13 juin 2023
Publié: 13 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Assuming the top of the draft goes,
1. CHI - Bedard
2. ANA - Fantilli
3. CBJ - Smith/Carlsson
4. SJS - Smith/Carlsson

and that MTL doesn't want to take the Michkov route, preferring Reinbacher or Leonard - could PHI be persuaded to trade up to all but guarantee their rebuild gets its superstar? doing so would allow MTL to still pick Leonard or Reinbacher at 7 as well as up the ante on a potential PLD trade.
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RFAANSCAP HIT
41 800 000 $
88 000 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
13 000 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
    Future considerations, (nothing)
    CHI
    1. Hoffman, Mike
    Détails additionnels:
    expiring contract that will help get Chicago to cap floor, park him on the right flank on PP1 and ship him off for a pick at the TDL
    2.
    MTL
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (LAK)
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PHI)
    Détails additionnels:
    7th OA, 22nd OA
    PHI
    1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
    Détails additionnels:
    5th OA
    3.
    MTL
    1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
    WPG
    1. Dvorak, Christian
    2. Farrell, Sean
    3. Harris, Jordan
    4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
    5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (LAK)
    Détails additionnels:
    22nd OA, 31st OA
    4.
    MTL
    1. Mantha, Anthony
    2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (WSH)
    Détails additionnels:
    Using Monahan deal as basis, pick is top 12 protected
    WSH
    5.
    MTL
    1. Myers, Tyler
    2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
    Détails additionnels:
    VAN gets somewhat of a question mark in Edmundson. If healthy can be serviceable in limited minutes, more importantly, VAN gets $2.5M in cap space.
    VAN
    1. Edmundson, Joel
    Détails additionnels:
    MTL clears roster spots for next gen D and picks up an asset for taking on the extra salary
    Rachats de contrats
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    2023
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    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    2024
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    Logo de COL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
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    Logo de SJS
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de MTL
    Logo de EDM
    2025
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    2383 500 000 $74 782 499 $1 170 000 $4 195 000 $8 717 501 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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    7 850 000 $7 850 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 8
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
    C
    UFA - 7
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
    C, AD
    RFA - 3
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
    AD, AG
    RFA - 2
    8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 8
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 2
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    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    C, AG, AD
    UFA - 1
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    2 850 000 $2 850 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    812 500 $812 500 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
    C
    UFA - 2
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    6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
    AD, AG
    M-NTC, NMC
    UFA - 4
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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    4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
    DG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
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    6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
    DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    1 925 000 $1 925 000 $
    G
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
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    863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
    DG/DD
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    828 333 $828 333 $
    DG/DD
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
    DD
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    766 667 $766 667 $
    DD
    UFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
    AG, AD
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
    G
    NMC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Canadiens de Montréal
    762 500 $762 500 $
    DD
    UFA - 1

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    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 46
    #1
    BedsyIsOurSavior
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    No thanks.
    -Chicago
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    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 48
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    So... 2 late round 1sts and Jordan for PLD. Not horrible. Dvorak and Farrell don't help this much. The 2 1sts could end up being a steal.
    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 51
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    Le patriote
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    Quoting: WPGSK
    So... 2 late round 1sts and Jordan for PLD. Not horrible. Dvorak and Farrell don't help this much. The 2 1sts could end up being a steal.


    in what world Farrell do not help?
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    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 53
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    Too much for PLD here! Way too much. Take out LAK 1st Farrell and swap fla pick for a 2024 top ten protected.
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    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 54
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    Actually a good PLD trade.
    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 54
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    Why would LAK help you take Dubois out from under them?
    They're suppose to be the ones heavily interested in a Sign and Trade with him


    I'd rather trade down to ARZ and get Hayton or Mcbain for handing them Michkov.
    They need it more and either Center would go a long ways in MTL's system
    A Package around that helps both teams involved

    Both are in a position to make an impact in MTL
    They wont cost what PLD does either
    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 56
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    I find it pretty hilarious, That a team with only $725,000 in cap space. Thinks they can weaponize their cap space.
    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 57
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    Quoting: habitantlecolon
    in what world Farrell do not help?


    No established value
    Its like Ylonen or Richard
    Good players but try to trade them for value.
    There's 4-5 guys like this on every team and until they step up no one's interested in betting on a long shot.
    Ylonen showed promise as did Richard but both need to follow it up
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    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 57
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    Quoting: Billy739
    Why would LAK help you take Dubois out from under them?
    They're suppose to be the ones heavily interested in a Sign and Trade with him


    I'd rather trade down to ARZ and get Hayton or Mcbain for handing them Michkov.
    They need it more and either Center would go a long ways in MTL's system
    A Package around that helps both teams involved

    Both are in a position to make an impact in MTL
    They wont cost what PLD does either


    The pick belongs to PHI, LAK may not like it but nothing they can do about it. I fear a trade down to ARI would not really work. By virtue of being willing to trade the pick they know MTL probably isn't too keen to take Michkov so they can just wait and select him one pick later
    13 juin 2023 à 19 h 58
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    Quoting: MoSeider53
    I find it pretty hilarious, That a team with only $725,000 in cap space. Thinks they can weaponize their cap space.


    The numbers are listed out for you up above smile
    13 juin 2023 à 20 h 4
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    If MTL can trade Hoffman for nothing, why does WSH have to pay a 1st to trade Mantha?
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    13 juin 2023 à 20 h 12
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    Quoting: Jaskwatch
    The numbers are listed out for you up above smile


    Gee do you honestly think that the Caps are giving you a 2025 1st round pick? For a player who's likely to be boughout in Anthony Mantha, I don't think so. In none of these trades are you weaponizing your cap space. The whole idea of weaponizing your cap space. Is getting high end assets from capped strapped team and giving them garbage in return.
    13 juin 2023 à 20 h 31
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    You probably dont get another 1st to move down 2 places. A mid 2nd probably though.

    Myers idea isn't horrible for Van but I think they can move him almost entirely for a 3rd given his experience and minimal salary.
    13 juin 2023 à 20 h 35
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    Don't hate that Myers trade
    13 juin 2023 à 20 h 41
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    Terrible flyers trade
    13 juin 2023 à 20 h 42
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    Habs need to give Philly something else decent for that trade to be fair.
    13 juin 2023 à 20 h 47
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    down bad
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    Lmfao that Capitals trade is horrible. No explanation needed
    13 juin 2023 à 20 h 56
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    Quoting: MoSeider53
    I find it pretty hilarious, That a team with only $725,000 in cap space. Thinks they can weaponize their cap space.


    plus 10.5 mil from price silly
    13 juin 2023 à 21 h 1
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    Thats not good trades tbh

    Hoffman you could get something, like a later draft pick or bit better with retation
    Philly trade need something more, i made something like this : 5th + harris+ norlinder for 7th and 22th+Seeler
    That's wayyyyyyy to much for PLD, it would be just dumb to trade that, i see something like either Fla pick or top 10 protected 2024 pick + adds
    Wsh trade will never happened, why tf will the caps do that
    Vancouver deal.. the least bad in my opinion but we could get more, and if we do that Eddy wont go to van tho doesn't make sens
    13 juin 2023 à 21 h 2
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Habs need to give Philly something else decent for that trade to be fair.


    2022 Detroit Red Wings 2022 1st round pick (8th overall), 2023 1st round pick (32nd overall), 2023 3rd round pick for 2022 1st round pick (6th overall)
    2021 Columbus Blue Jackets 2021 1st round pick (5th overall), 2021 3rd round pick (70th overall), 2022 2nd round pick 2021 for 1st round pick (4th overall)
    2020 Ottawa Senators 2020 1st round pick (5th overall), 2020 4th round pick (100th overall) for 2020 1st round pick (3rd overall)
    2019 New York Islanders 2019 1st round pick (11th overall), 2019 2nd round pick (34th overall), 2020 2nd round pick (47th overall) for 2019 1st round pick (7th overall)
    2018 Buffalo Sabres 2018 1st round pick (8th overall), 2018 2nd round pick (41st overall) for 2018 1st round pick (7th overall)

    Its a mixed bag it seems.
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    13 juin 2023 à 21 h 6
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    Quoting: Renegade_H
    2022 Detroit Red Wings 2022 1st round pick (8th overall), 2023 1st round pick (32nd overall), 2023 3rd round pick for 2022 1st round pick (6th overall)
    2021 Columbus Blue Jackets 2021 1st round pick (5th overall), 2021 3rd round pick (70th overall), 2022 2nd round pick 2021 for 1st round pick (4th overall)
    2020 Ottawa Senators 2020 1st round pick (5th overall), 2020 4th round pick (100th overall) for 2020 1st round pick (3rd overall)
    2019 New York Islanders 2019 1st round pick (11th overall), 2019 2nd round pick (34th overall), 2020 2nd round pick (47th overall) for 2019 1st round pick (7th overall)
    2018 Buffalo Sabres 2018 1st round pick (8th overall), 2018 2nd round pick (41st overall) for 2018 1st round pick (7th overall)

    Its a mixed bag it seems.


    The main concern is how goooood the draft is, you will need to overpay in that situation, but getting annother 1rst in the draft means that you will need to sent also annother thing, which i can see being a ld that mtl will not need like Harris
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    13 juin 2023 à 21 h 26
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    Quoting: WPGSK
    So... 2 late round 1sts and Jordan for PLD. Not horrible. Dvorak and Farrell don't help this much. The 2 1sts could end up being a steal.


    Quoting: TeddyLovesTheJets
    Actually a good PLD trade.


    Jets would be lucky to get half of that in value in a trade. Jets are getting fleeced on the PLD trade. He wants Montreal and no one else. He only named other teams to drive up his price but none of those teams are trading for him for 9M. He would do a sign and trade to Montreal for less.
    13 juin 2023 à 22 h 27
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    Quoting: MisstheWhalers
    Habs need to give Philly something else decent for that trade to be fair.


    Quoting: nepTrystan
    The main concern is how goooood the draft is, you will need to overpay in that situation, but getting annother 1rst in the draft means that you will need to sent also annother thing, which i can see being a ld that mtl will not need like Harris


    Obviously the PLD trade in this scenario complicates things, but I think 5 + 31 for 7 + 22 could make sense for both sides
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    13 juin 2023 à 22 h 48
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    Flyers decline and keep their picks
    13 juin 2023 à 22 h 53
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    Depending on how the board falls, I wouldn't be opposed to this trade for PHI. Pick value is about fair, depends how PHI values the top-5 consensus vs. Leonard, Moore, etc.
     
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