I don't see Mtl trading those 4 pieces for 2d overall, let alone 3rd.

I could see them trading Dach+5th OVR for 2nd OVR.

At the end of the day, the prices for moving up in the draft are too high. They bring too much risk. If teams rly ask these pieces for changing from 3rd to 5th ovr, it's a surefire way to FastTrack GMs to being relieved of their duties.
Now, if you look at the GMs picking in the top 5, only CLB has a veteran GM...so the rest wouldn't dare take on this risk.

So you have the 3OA pick with the potential of picking a franchise Center prospect in Leo carlsson and instead you trade down to get a lesser prospect and acquire an average 3C in Dvorak and Kirby dach who is terrible at Center and played RW all year for Montreal?

Sure sounds like improving your Center depth.

Boone Jenner is on your 4th line LW and he’s still the best Center on your team.

You are way better of with Leo Carlsson.
And maybe giving him a year longer to develop and running with sillinger and Jenner as your top 6 centers.


Calgary trade I feel is unnecessary too with mateychuk in the system and probably a year or 2 out from cracking the roster

The Jack Roslovic piece is interesting though, MTL would flip him for 1st rd pick 2024 + prospect easy

Montreal would jump on that trade in a heartbeat.

Roslovic and Dvorak are of similar skill level one better offensively the other defensively.
Dach isn’t a true Center and was somewhat carried by Suzuki and caufield when he was their RW.

And you get the pick to select Leo Carlsson who has the potential to be Montreal’s franchise Center, he has a much higher ceiling the Suzuki does

Everyone has their opinion, but IMO Dach will be a 70-80 point Center in his prime. He protects the puck better than Suzuki. He has great vision and is equally creative. He has started to attack the net.

I am too high on Dach to trade him. I would do something like 5th OA, Florida pick, Dvorak, Kidney to move up and pick 3rd OA.

Just take Carlsson 3oa and don't overthink it, if you like Smith better take him. Your risking not getting either here in this deal if the sharks don't want michkov

This is pretty interesting. It's one of the few ACGMs where we move 3rd ovr that doesn't instantly make me wanna throw up, so that says something. There's a lot of temping things here and the explanations are very justified. Here would be my list of concerns/criticisms

* Carlsson looks like a world beater right now. The deal is very temping, but I'm wondering if Dach + the other parts is worth the drop, which says a lot about how Carlsson has looked
* No need (or room) for Vladar with Elvis/Tarasov, so I'd take him out and change the value a bit. (Maybe change the LA 1st to CBJ 2nd or something along those lines.
* I like Roy as a player, so I'm cool with picking him up, but givne your explanation, I wouldn't really want to give up pick 34 (on top of whatever value you give Bean) if the plan is just a 1 year stop gap. I'd probably try to change that to our 3rd and drop the 5th in return, but not sure if that's realistic value or not. Regardless, I'd wanna plan to resign Roy if possible, either to an extension or during FA to a 1-2 year deal. Would love him as 1RD and sliding down to 2RD whenever Jiricek is ready, then holding that spot for Ceulemans and allowing Peeke to play a more fitting 3rd pairing spot.

Very very interesting ideas.

How many Habs games did you watch last year?
Dach drove the net, carried the puck up the ice, won puck battles.
If anything, he carried Suzuki. His production dropped when Dach got injured.
You're too low on Dach, but ok.
Habs wouldn't do this.

Just noticed you're a Bruins fan. Now it makes sense. Any games you watched the Habs play were on NESN with two baffoons calling the game.

Value aside, those saying Dach is not a true center has clearly never watched a single Habs game in their life.

Matt Roy is too central to our defense for us to trade him, even for the 34th overall pick in this draft and more. We're pretty confident that he'll re-sign with us, so the fact that he's on an expiring contract isn't really a concern, and won't be unless and until we approach the trade deadline next February and we still don't have a deal.

Mais qu’est-ce que je lis
Une chance t’es pas DG, Dach + 5th OA for Fantilli 😂😂

Now Leo Carlsson is a Franchise Center prospect
What

No, Montreal decline. Dach is a center. He played almost all year at center (except the few games with Suzuki and Caufield). Remove 5 overall and add Calgary's pick and it's more fair

MTL is fine at center so they have no incentive to move up and pick a center. They're likely going to see who is left over between Smith and Michkov, draft one of them and sign PLF later, win - win

wayyyy too much for Hanifin, holy cow

Interesting take. But serious question, what are the Kings going to do with Spence, Durzi, and Clarke all being RD. Seems overcrowded.

It IS overcrowded, no doubt. I expect Sean Walker and one of Sean Durzi or Jordan Spence to be traded. It's highly unlikely that Matt Roy gets traded -- one of the primary objectives of this off-season is to find a partner for him.

He's also has a reputation to swindle too when he's in the seller's seat so I think most GMs would be cautious too. This is actually the first 3OA trade proposal that doesnt want me to weap for humanity but as you say game theory says that Sharks will possibly take Michkov so what do you gain with those assets being moved basically having your second option land in your lap. Too expensive for Montreal for even two spots when anyother year that 5th pick is basically a 2nd with the amount of skill in this draft.

I don't think Habs would chose Carlsson and Roslovic over Dach, Michkov, Dvorak and 31st/32nd.

The Habs aren’t going to take Michkov. Montreal is just like Columbus in the idea they want to be better sooner than later. Waiting three yrs for Michkov is out of the question.

It doesn't matter...the value just isn't there. Dach + Michkov (even if you have to wait) + Dvorak + 31st/32nd >> Carlsson + Roslovic.

Dach is not nearly enough to get to fantilli. Dach had TWENTY even strength points last year.

i said Dach PLUS(+) 5th overall dude
and then I said it's too risky and no one will move in the top 5

Yes, Dach isn't nearly enough to move up from Will Smith to Fantilli