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Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 8 h 51
Sujet: Accelerating the rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>So... I believe you need big body players who are good at defence in the playoffs on all of your lines.

Don't forget that Kakko's value is not determined in a vacuum. He is a young RW with size who plays well defensively and has scoring upside on a team that:

1) Is trying to win the Stanley Cup in the next 2-3 years
2) Has very few RWs in their pipeline

Mesar will not play on their team next year
Mesar doesn't have size

There is very little incentive for the Rangers to do this deal even if they believe Mesar is the better player long term.</div></div>

I don't think Mesar is equal value but I also don't see many teams paying a premium for a bottom 6 defensive forward. My question has always been, how long is Kakko happy in that role? Eventually he either forces his way up the line up or out of NY and if it's out of NY then his value isn't what Rangers fans will like
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 8 h 49
Sujet: Accelerating the rebuild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GM69</b></div><div>his worth to NYR is greater than his trade value actually is. So whatever you think you would trade, add a decent piece to it</div></div>

That's true but the Rangers aren't the only opinion that matters, Kakkos matters to. This ain't the old school league it used to be, if a player feels under utilized or that he's not being given a chance he will want out.

Iv always operated under the assumption that if Kakko gets traded it's only happening because of 3 options- He wants out - Rangers don't think he'll ever reach his ceiling and try to sell high - some team pays for his potential

In all three circumstances I only see a team giving up a late 1st and another piece. That other piece varies depending on which of those three options it is. If he wants out, that piece isn't that big - Rangers give up on him, means that piece isnt that big - if a team buys him for his potential, that piece is a good one 2nd or good prospect type piece.

Who knows what will happen but I don't see him being happy in NY if they keep him in that defensive third line role and his usefulness in that role vs what the player wants may force the Rangers hand eventually
Forum: Armchair-GMjeu. à 6 h 37
Sujet: quebec star
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>slater417</b></div><div>Lets compare age relative seasons.
D+2
Laf 79 games played
19 even strength goals
10 even strength assists
29 points at ES in 12:46 per game

Slaf
78 Games
13 Even strength goals
21 even strength assists
33 es points in 14:49

Im sorry, Slaf is not out performing Laf in any way shape or form at age relative seasons.
You want to compare not age relative seasons, and just 2023-24, Laf is at 56 points, slaf is at 48 with Slaf getting 2:59 of PP per game. If Laf had pp time, he'd be a 80-90 point player...</div></div>

So Slaf has more even strength points but isn't out performing him because of ice time, even though that ice time is on a way worse team, with worse players than Laf and that ice time being against top competition since they're the only line other team actually plan against.

So Slaf is playing better than Laf at a younger age, against harder competition and you still wanna say that Slaf isn't out performing Laf in their 20yr old seasons. I could get the argument of Slaf was doing this on lucky bounces or empty net points but he's doing it whole showing play making ability, hands in tight, for checking like a beast, making good shot choices and has brought up the play of his line mates.

Like I said before, both will be great players, Slaf is just projecting to be the better one.