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Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 8:56 am

Sujet: Habs final moves

Habs cant trade Danault until you're sure what Suzuki and Kotkaniemi are and even then they wouuld stil need a veteran center in the line up. Cant have Suzuki, Kotkaniemi, Poehling and Evans are your 4 centers, just to much risk involved. So if the young guys show they can handle top 6 minutes the Habs will try to sign Danault at a lower AAV or make him a rental deal at the deadline that likely gets you a 1st and prospect, not as good of one as kravtsov but a decent one all the same.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:31 pm

Sujet: Who is the Most Overrated Prospect

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>oilersguy</b></div><div>100% agree with all of this, why didn't habs trade down for to at lest like 7th to get Kotkaniemi, I know they did want to risk it but when a guy is expected to go like 13th to 15th range it is a safe bet no one is picking him at 7th</div></div>

He wasnt getting past Arizona at 5th. They would have taken him over Hayton.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:30 pm

Sujet: Who is the Most Overrated Prospect

Kotkaniemi isnt a prospect anymore.

Caufield still holds question Mark's for people on this site, which I understand but he was arguably the second best 18 year old in the NCAA last year behind only Zegras.

I'd say Nick Roberston, Alex Turcotte and Tolvanen are the most overrated on this site.

Forum: Armchair-GMMon at 12:22 pm

Sujet: If they didnt trade for the 2011 22nd overall

Still not as bad as the bruins going with Debrusk, Zorbil, and Senshyun (dont know how to spell thier names) and the next 3 picks being Chabot, Barzal and Connor

Forum: Armchair-GM22 oct à 10 h 18

Sujet: dream big

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>The value can't be that low considering how desperate Canadiens' fans seem to want him hahahaha</div></div>

Dont seem to grasp the idea that this site is for fun and let fans throw ideas out there. You can go make your own if you're not happy with the trades other fans are posting, show the world how you value Kane and Toews instead of crying about how no other person on here see's them as valuable as you do.

Forum: Armchair-GM22 oct à 10 h 00

Sujet: dream big

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>Cool, well we aren't trading you Patrick Kane unless you do Suzuki +++. so if you don't like that deal then go find another 100+ point player to acquire</div></div>

Buddy, calm down. Its pretty simple and reasonable to say that right now, Kane and Toews trade values are pretty low, not because they suck, or are in a serious decline. Its because unless Chicago retains a good amount of money no one can afford them. Hell the Jets are having a hard time moving Laine for the same reason. Welcome to the COVID world, you wanna cry that your stars arent gonna get proper value, go cry to someone else

Forum: Armchair-GM22 oct à 9 h 52

Sujet: rebuild

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>If you don't like the price then cool but we aren't trading you Patrick Kane for this</div></div>

And the Habs wouldnt give Suzuki up in any trade for Kane

Forum: Armchair-GM22 oct à 9 h 50

Sujet: dream big

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>This coming from the group of fans that has tried to trade carey price for 2 years as if he is the best goalie in the history of the world while not factoring in his contract at all.</div></div>

I was not part of that group, and back then you were looking at a rising cap that probably would have been 85 million by next year. Times have changed.

Forum: Armchair-GM22 oct à 9 h 47

Sujet: dream big

Thats an easy no from MTL. Kane is good but his contract drives his value to the floor, if Chicago retained a big portion of his contract this might be considered by MTL but even then its probably to much futures for them to ship out at once.

Forum: Armchair-GM22 oct à 9 h 45

Sujet: rebuild

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>Sorry but Kane starts with Suzuki +++</div></div>

Still delusional on the aging stars value eh? good to see

Forum: NHL22 oct à 8 h 28

Sujet: Which RFA signs first?

I would have thought Mantha would have been the easy one with Detroits cap space and his role on the team but apparently not. Out of that group I think Blackwood signs first.

Most looking forward to Barzal though, hard to negotiate his huge raise when the ca will be flat.

Forum: Armchair-GM22 oct à 8 h 23

Sujet: Mike Hoffman

Rather take a shot with Drouin then have Hoffman. Guy doesn't seem to fit into dressing rooms, and is mostly PP dominate. Take the cheaper player and see what he can do with the young center, wait for the cap to rise and then still have room 3 years from now to sign a shooter if Caufield doesnt work out.

Forum: Armchair-GM22 oct à 8 h 20

Sujet: First Cup Since 67

This may actually end up being one of the hardest seasons ever for a Canadian team to win a cup. If there is a Canadian division it will be tough sledding for every team, the only real team that sucks is Ottawa and even they will be somewhat competitive.

The down fall of the Leafs may come from wat happens with the schedule, its gonna be condensed which is gonna suck with little to no depth and most of the bottom 6 being older players. If its condensed and they switch to more of a series at a time format where each team plays a 3-4 game series in a week then switch, Toronto is in for an even worst time. They will need a condensed season, playing 3 games a week in order to seriously consider a cup.

Forum: Armchair-GM21 oct à 7 h 52

Sujet: Projections Forwards

This all really hinges on Suzuki and Kotkaniemi being able to produce like that. Especially your 75 points for Suzuki, that's a huge number.

I see this as more realistic 2022-2023 projection, next year is still gonna have growing pains.

Forum: Fauteuil - DG20 oct à 14 h 13

Sujet: Trading Caufield and Danault to win now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>I'd be willing to bet that the Canadiens don't win anything over the next ten years so cool haha</div></div>

they're still gonna be better then Chicago over those 10 years lol

Forum: Fauteuil - DG20 oct à 14 h 03

Sujet: Trading Caufield and Danault to win now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>I guess you don't know Chicago's prospect pool because it's actually very solid.

Also, hate to break it to you, but Kane and Toews are better than anyone on Montreal.</div></div>

Toews and Kane both spoke out about how the team was heading in the wrong direction, down. Have fun the next few years.

Forum: Fauteuil - DG20 oct à 12 h 40

Sujet: Trading Caufield and Danault to win now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>If you say so lol but it doesn't seem to be working for you since you guys can't win anything</div></div>

Difference is MTL is youthful and getting better, Chicago is still on their way to the bottom with no end in sight.

Forum: Fauteuil - DG20 oct à 11 h 58

Sujet: Trading Caufield and Danault to win now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>On another episode of overrating prospects that have never even stepped foot on NHL ice.</div></div>

Another episode of fans overrating thier declining stars in huge contracts.

Forum: Armchair-GM20 oct à 11 h 19

Sujet: Ranking top Cs for subbanator7667

I would say that Stampkos isn't a center anymore, neither is Giroux. I wouldn't have Suzuki in there yet. I would also put him above Duchene. Couture is a question mark since he was hurt all year.

its like I said though, its all different metrics to determine who is better. Danault doesn't put up power play points but has more even strength points then a few guys on here and being more defensive, so give or take I would ay top 25 last year. Next year I don't know if he stays there.

Forum: Fauteuil - DG20 oct à 10 h 57

Sujet: Trading Caufield and Danault to win now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>My point is that you are using the best argument to make the case for why Danault is better than Toews but it doesn't make sense and it's not even true.

Like I said, I would never make this trade if I was the Canadiens because they aren't "a Toews away from competing". But the whole premise that the value isn't fair is absurd because Toews at 7M is worth this return. Just not smart for Montreal to make the trade</div></div>

I never said Danault was better then Toews, I said him and Caufield combined are worth more then Toews. There is a difference in value between Danault and Toews, its not a A+ prospect, and a 1st round pick though.

Forum: Fauteuil - DG20 oct à 10 h 43

Sujet: Trading Caufield and Danault to win now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>So do you think he's a top 15 center or not because you did say on 5vs5 he was:

"Danualt at 5 on 5 is a top 15 center last year, that's considering points and advanced stats"</div></div>

Is 5 on 5 the whole game? No. Yes, he is very good 5 on 5, out scored 2/3 Selke finalist at even strength, am I all of a sudden going to say he is better then ROR though? No. Its about looking at everything and making your own determination.

Forum: Fauteuil - DG20 oct à 10 h 23

Sujet: Trading Caufield and Danault to win now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>No it's called making no sense.

"This trade is bad because Danault is a top 15 player because analytics have Danault as a top 10 player" --> "I don't believe in Analytics"

Then don't talk about Analytics and if you do want to talk about analytics then understand that it's not really a combination thing where you use whichever statistics suits your narrative. Because if you want to play that game then also mention that Toews has 50 more points over the past two seasons than Danault has.

Edit: I don't actually think this is smart for Montreal but it's not for the same reasons that you don't think it's smart.</div></div>

Analytics is a tool, you use that tool how you like. Its not that hard to have an opinion and support that opinion with data, even if you don't place the source of that data in the highest regards.

So because I don't think he is a top 15 center like some analytic models I cant use their data in an argument? what kind of non sense logic is that

Forum: Fauteuil - DG20 oct à 9 h 56

Sujet: Trading Caufield and Danault to win now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>If you don't believe in analytics then why are you even talking about them? Because non analytics has him more in the top 50 center range.</div></div>

Its called having a diverse knowledge base. Know facts, analyse them and then use your own eyes to make a judgement. Basically what every professional does.

Forum: Fauteuil - DG20 oct à 9 h 47

Sujet: Trading Caufield and Danault to win now

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Breadmanhawks</b></div><div>Why wouldn't you go that far? If you are going to use advanced metrics to announce him as a top 25 player then why stop at top 25 if the metrics actually show him to be a top 10 player or even better at top 5 player? The whole premise of advanced statistics are that they take into account overall impact on the game and situations that aren't accounted for, so if you want to use them; use them, don't back down because it'll make you look ridiculous in the eyes of the public lol.</div></div>

Because I don't believe that much in analytics. My opinion is he is a top 20 center in the NHL, my opinion is based off the eye test of watching every game he has ever played in MTL. Has nothing to do with public opinion.

Forum: Armchair-GM20 oct à 9 h 38

Sujet: Laine

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DiehardRedWingsFan58</b></div><div>Can't argue there, Laine would make any Center look good. Honestly i'd be shocked that Laine would be moved to any Western Conference team. If he's moved it's probably to the East.</div></div>

Unless they all know something we don't *cough cough Canadian division. Then he might be fine with a West team

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