Nashville got more for Jannot then Arizona got for Chychrun????!?!?

Top 5 protected

They got more pieces, but the Coyotes got much better picks.

Nashville has to wait until 2025 for their 1st, and there is a good chance it's still a playoff or late pick. The 2023 picks they got will all be at the end of the rounds. Cal Foote had minimal value. He's a 25 year old #6 defenseman.

Ottawa's pick could be as high as 6 in a strong 2023 draft. While that is looking unrealistic, it isn't impossible. There is a reasonable enough chance that it falls in that 8-15 type range. If they make the playoffs, it's still going to be close to the top 20, unless they make the conference final. A top 20 pick in 2023 alone is worth more than Nashville got from Tampa. That doesn't account for the conditional 1st or 2nd in 2024 and the later 2nd.

Vancouver, Edmonton and Toronto were a 2nd away to match this offer but decuded to go for lesser Dmen.

Big Ottawa win. Now get a goalie!

Possible, but odds are it's a 2nd.
At least with Eichel it was an unprecedented medical issue.

Ottawa wins by a mile

Yeeeaaaaaahhhh! Let’s go Sens! We’re playoff bound now!

Chychrun is free at last. No more college dorms, no more tanking pain. He's gonna have a blast playing with Chabot and Zub.

Dorion got one hell of a deal too. Really like this for the Sens, so it's an easy win for them.

M. Murray will be available for trade next summer.

Dubas may even send you that Bos 1st Rd pick to get rid of him.

Newsflash: Dorion will steal your Chych n run

Oh wow it actually happened? I’m genuinely surprised. I’m more surprised they didn’t get anything more for him. I expected at least a first and a grade B/A prospect or 2 firsts. Guess that’s what Arizona gets for waiting so long

Unless the NHL is planning another Pandemic season, then I have to suggest that Mr Chychrun's previous seasons have been damaged or played less then full total of games. Then, noticing that Mr Chychrun's modified NTC, at higher dollar value contract may look like ZAITSEV'S contract and may have to be purchased with prospect/future talent. So, to me, until proven otherwise, one MASSIVE win by Arizona and more draft picks taken from Sens. Its one of those season's by poor mgmt and less then adequate team who've only wanted higher dollar contracts.

Arizona might actually be better off if the 2024 pick doesn’t upgrade to a 1st. For them to get two 1sts, Ottawa would have to make the conference final this year, which means the 2023 pick would go from somewhere in the teens to 29th or lower. That could make a huge difference based on what people are saying about this year’s draft.

Arizona really misplayed their hand. They had 4 contenders on the phone (TOR, BOS, EDM, LA), they asked them for ridiculous returns, and they all looked for cheaper alternatives as a result.

Now they get a minimalist return, and poor Chychrun moves from ASU to an isolated CTC, and still won't be in the playoffs...

Playoffs this year and Stanley Cup Winners in 2024-25. Suck it DoBap.

Cap friendly users once again demonstrating a total lack of understanding of pick value with this.

Actual value wise this is 2 late 1sts and a top 10 pick and the vote is entirely against them.

Not even close

Just another example of acgm's having zero clue. While feeling righteous and justified in their angst and delusion.

This is what happens when you paint yourself into a corner. Also hard to believe that LAK couldn't match that offer.

Dorion W

Ottawa wins this deal easily. Arizona demanded so much for Chycrun and dragged this on for so long that it really feels like Dorion won out here simply by being patient. He didn't need a D, he needed a good top pairing D who is age appropriate for this core, and there was only one of those available. They were comfortable passing on every other option and stuck to their offer. Other teams got frustrated that Arizona was seemingly playing offers off each other, and one by one, the teams with pressing needs for this playoff run found different options. Dorion just stood there, waited for the dust to settle, and probably had a pretty great feeling when Arizona came back and accepted this offer.

Ottawa is taking a little risk here, but Chycrun is the type of player you are trying to get when you draft high. He can be part of your core, not just a support piece. Ottawa isn't in a playoff spot today, but they are close and teams like Washington and Detroit seem to be taking themselves out of the race, they did get some protection on the pick, and the reality is we know Ottawa isn't bad enough to really be in on Bedard or any of the other top 3-4 picks. Dorion did well here simply by being patient. He didn't need to be in on any other D, and because Arizona bungled this so badly, they basically waited til everyone else bowed out and Arizona was left with no choice. Great work.

2 late 1st? So you think Ottawa is going to be one of the worst teams in the NHL next year? As of today they sit 5pts out of a wild card spot and that's without having their #1C for almost the entire season. Now they add Chychrun to the mix. Tyler Boucher should be a guy whose ready to make the jump next year (another #10OA pick). With $16 million in cap space they should be able to keep DeBrincat in the mix. Ottawa very much should be a playoff contender next year. So those 2nd rounders are likely middle 2nd's, which does not equate to "late 1st's" as you say.

The 2024 2nd is Washington's, so it'll probably be around the middle. The 2026 is Ottawa's. That's too far in the future to predict where it will be, but Ottawa's future looks pretty bright so I'd guess it'll be a late 2nd.

I don't know how Random2152 figures this is two late 1sts and a top 10 pick. Maybe that's what Arizona was hoping to get for Chychrun, but it's certainly not what they got.

All picks aren't worth the same amount.

The upside of this trade is that Arizona might get a top 5 or top 10 talent, depending on what their scouting list is and how the draft shakes out. (Meaning, they don't have to draft 5th or higher to get a top 5 talent, someone could fall to them).

The worst case for Arizona is that the Sens make the playoffs but get bounced before round 3, and it's a top 20 pick.

The Hronek trade was similar but the pick was top 12 protected.

All things considered, Arizona did well since they cannot take back cash. Ottawa also has leverage here because they don't have to make this deal. They had to add someone substantial to reward the team for buying in, but that could have been something like picking up whoever is left out of the top 4 rentals on Friday for a 2nd round pick.

Arizona's big mistake was scratching Chychrun for weeks. They put themselves in a position where his agent and the league would have been very upset if Arizona didn't make a deal. It would be one thing if a deal wasn't there, but when a team offers multiple 1st and 2nd round picks, the would have had no defense for not moving him after the scratch.

People often expect too much for players. It's very rare for a team to get full value on the day of the trade when selling a star. There is a ceiling to what teams will give up. There aren't many trades in recent memory where a legitimate star with term is sold off and people feel they got equal value. Maybe the Duchene and Jones trades might be examples. There are times when the package is better down the road, like with Karlsson, but that's different.

Well i think they already are this year, and pick value is pretty flat around that part of the draft so even if they move up some slots it doesnt change much yeah