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Forum: NHL17 déc. 2021 à 20 h 37
Sujet: 502021/2022 NHL Season Discussion Thread - #8
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>Funny you say that after providing zero facts. You were heavily implying that it's fine for NHLers to get the virus because they are at "zero risk of serious infection" (which is blatantly false), saying that no NHLer falls into the category of having underlying health conditions (again, a strictly untrue statement that you pulled out of thin air), and the fact that you want the season to continue despite dozens of players contracting the virus, which will only serve to spread it even more. Do more research before posting false information, and look at reputable sources. And no, Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson do not count as reputable in any way (not sure if this was you or the other guy, but come on, claiming that as your source instantly destroys any merit your point may have had).

Archibald and Stalock had their careers ended. Many Blues players were seriously affected by it (I think Pietrangelo among them), which is why they sucked in the bubble. That's just off memory, a quick google search could probably yield more results but I'll leave that up to you.</div></div>

All pre-vaccine!!!! Stalock, had a preecisting condition, referenced in my original post. Arch refused the vaccine. Next time, read the original post more carefully!!! You guys get so hysterical over hearing the facts that you lash out at anyone who doesn’t share your radical views.
Forum: NHL17 déc. 2021 à 19 h 37
Sujet: 502021/2022 NHL Season Discussion Thread - #8
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>Josh Archibald, Alex Stalock, and any player that developed or develops cardiomyopathy from a covid exposure would disagree with you.

Believe it or not but hockey players deserve the same level of health security as commonfolk and vice-versa. If society needs to take another step back because short-sighted politicians or populations made hasty decisions then athletes should be doing the same. Their physical condition doesn't warrant them invincibility to the virus or any other disease.

Sports are a reward for a functional society. We're not there yet. A two week pause now to allow the players and teams to reset under the rules that the NHL has established simply makes sense. Most of the verbiage surrounding the Olympics doesnt support the inclusion of NHL players anyways: this time was already alotted in the schedule, why not maximize its utility? The league can move forward with reduced capacities in the arenas to prevent a full stoppage in order to sustain its bottom line. This problem will only continue to exist until society learns that there isn't a choice to be made. Refusing any of the vaccines on the pretense of bad science only produces more vectors for the virus to continue mutating. Until that point we're at the mercy of that community and decisions like a pause in the NHL schedule are consequences that we'll likely need to endure.

I'm frustrated with that state of the world, you are, everyone is, and if you need CapFriendly to be an outlet, then I, the rest of the moderators, and the rest of the community are here. I'd prefer if we kept these discussions apolitical but hell, 10 pages left in this thread and I'm off to work for two weeks so I won't step in unless it's absolutely mandatory to do so.</div></div>

I think it's usually important for people to hear the other side of the debate. I think it's wrong and highly inappropriate that I was singled out for my point of view. People can't have meaningful discussions about hockey, or anything else, unless alternative points of view are valued. Not sure that's the case here, I'm sorry to say.
Forum: NHL17 déc. 2021 à 19 h 18
Sujet: 502021/2022 NHL Season Discussion Thread - #8
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Alfie11</b></div><div>You're right, Josh Archibald and Alex Stalock are no longer playing hockey because they just decided to retire. /s

You're also missing the entire point (deliberately maybe? Not like this information hasn't been out there for months...), by saying that it's fine if the "healthy" NHL players get the virus. You think they don't have any contact with vulnerable people? What about coaches/GMs? Most of them are old, and have daily contact with the players. What about family members that may be at risk, such as elderly parents, or spouses/children with underlying health affects, do you expect NHL players to simply never interact with their families? It's also inane to suggest that because they play hockey and are in peak physical condition, that they have no underlying health risks. Archibald and Stalock did, got covid, and now will never play hockey again. There was a story on Max Domi last year saying he was taking even more precautionary measures than the average player due to his underlying health issues. Many hockey players have had surgeries, which increases your susceptibility to illness. There's a reason anyone who tests positive for covid has to isolate for 10 days and it's not "hysteria." ANYONE getting covid is bad, even if they don't get severely ill, because it's so contagious that they will inevitably spread it to others (as seen by entire teams going down, among many better examples), and those that they infect may be vulnerable. So, politely, this take is horrendously misguided at best, and malicious at worst. Shutting down the entire league until the covid cases are under control, and then enacting stricter precautionary measures, is the best course of action for the health and safety of everyone in and around the league. It also creates a better product for the fans, because nobody wants to watch their team get their teeth kicked in because half their roster is missing due to being on the covid protocol list.</div></div>

Where did I say it was fine that players get the virus? You can't debate a policy w/o misrepresenting about what I said? If pausing/cancelling the NHL season is warranted, back it up with FACTS, not PERSONAL ATTACKS.