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2021-2022 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #5 - Bedlam from the Bell Center

8 juill. 2022 à 22 h 50
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It sounds like they want to either sign or trade for a big name guy to play with Benn and Seguin on the 2nd line, but I think putting Benn on the checking line and having Stastny with Seguin and Gurianov would be ideal. Gives us some nice cap space next summer (although I would hope some of that goes to bringing back Pavs for one more year to chase a Cup).


I'd probably have Gurianov play with Benn as they had some chemistry last year.

Here's how I hope DAL looks like next year.
8 juill. 2022 à 22 h 56
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That’s an easy match though, I’ve done Dallas AGM’s with him signed to that.

If any team wants him, it’ll have to be the 4 first’s one.


So you want 4 1sts deal can a 1st we subsidized with a guy who was drafted in the first round?
8 juill. 2022 à 23 h 5
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LDBBs issues made his risk level slightly more higher which was probably why the Leafs were eying someone whose issues were easier to work on

Skating (breakaway speed)
Size and physicality

As basically Minten is a 2/5 for risk while Belluz was a 3.5/5 last time I checked. Both had a 4/5 reward factor

And the good news for Minten we got a FO coach in Malhotra who can help him whenever he gets the chance

Also I think Minten was drafted to be a 3 or 4c and it makes sense as if Leafs get Strome and extend Matthews there really isnt a 2c spot for a while

You can teach defense (see: Kapanen and Johnsson, they weren’t defensively inclined at all, but got coached and turned into PKers on the Marlies). You can’t teach talent, and talent is what raises you higher in the lineup. Minten’s better defensively right now, but LDBB’s got far more skill, and still isn’t a liability in his own end. A 2nd round pick typically needs 2-4 years to develop anyway. But Minten looks like he’ll end up being a notch lower than LDBB in the end, which might be the difference between 3C and 4C. Or if they both hit their absolute peak then 2C and 3C. Like I woulda taken Minten in the mid-3rd. LDBB deserved to go in the early 2nd. His skating isn’t that great either, and they’re very comparable at nearly everything, except LDBB has the distinct edge in puck skills/offensive talent. There’s a reason literally everybody had LDBB ranked higher, and usually significantly higher. Dubas going off the board doesn’t mean Minten deserved to go there now. It means Dubas went off the board lol
8 juill. 2022 à 23 h 22
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Modifié 9 juill. 2022 à 0 h 9
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You can teach defense (see: Kapanen and Johnsson, they weren’t defensively inclined at all, but got coached and turned into PKers on the Marlies). You can’t teach talent, and talent is what raises you higher in the lineup. Minten’s better defensively right now, but LDBB’s got far more skill, and still isn’t a liability in his own end. A 2nd round pick typically needs 2-4 years to develop anyway. But Minten looks like he’ll end up being a notch lower than LDBB in the end, which might be the difference between 3C and 4C. Or if they both hit their absolute peak then 2C and 3C. Like I woulda taken Minten in the mid-3rd. LDBB deserved to go in the early 2nd. His skating isn’t that great either, and they’re very comparable at nearly everything, except LDBB has the distinct edge in puck skills/offensive talent. There’s a reason literally everybody had LDBB ranked higher, and usually significantly higher. Dubas going off the board doesn’t mean Minten deserved to go there now. It means Dubas went off the board lol


True but in general this years draft seemed to be off the board for everyone

I got a feeling were gonna see a good chunk of steals. Not as many as in 2021 but pretty close
8 juill. 2022 à 23 h 43
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Yeah but that same total money on a 7 year deal is 10.8mil AAV. So you’ve gotta both top that AND be a place he wants to go. You willing to drop 11-12mil on Gaudreau? I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets the Panarin contract on the open market, because he’s better than Panarin.


I would be willing to drop 10 max
He's great but if Forsberg wants like 8.5 I would take that over Gaudreau 10M+
9 juill. 2022 à 0 h 8
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I would be willing to drop 10 max
He's great but if Forsberg wants like 8.5 I would take that over Gaudreau 10M+


no no I think its Nashville who wants Forsberg at 8.5 but he wants 9.5m and honestly hes earned it to me
9 juill. 2022 à 0 h 12
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no no I think its Nashville who wants Forsberg at 8.5 but he wants 9.5m and honestly hes earned it to me


https://twitter.com/HockeyDaily365/status/1545548024394424321

This is what I saw
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9 juill. 2022 à 0 h 26
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https://twitter.com/HockeyDaily365/status/1545548024394424321

This is what I saw


I think thats Lebruns suggestion

Its not bad but from what I have heard Forsberg wants a deal in the 9mill range like Josi
9 juill. 2022 à 0 h 51
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True but in general this years draft seemed to be off the board for everyone

I got a feeling were gonna see a good chunk of steals. Not as many as in 2021 but pretty close

Eh, I actually don’t think it was that off the board of a draft overall. After Wright falling it really settled in. In my 5 minute mock draft off dome that I posted exactly as the draft was starting, I nailed 27 of the first round picks (not exact positions obviously, but 27 of the 32 guys that got selected were in my first round). And the only ones I got wrong were guys I had ranked in the late 1st/early 2nd that I decided to take for fit (plus my crazy off the board pick, and I don’t think there really was one lol). Which I think is a pretty solid success rate for a round, especially because I feel like there really wasn’t that much difference between picks 25 and 40. And most of the guys that seriously fell were either expected (Dumais) or fell from like the 4th to the 6th, and anything after 100 is pretty meaningless.
9 juill. 2022 à 0 h 58
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The Minten pick is the only head scratcher for me. I'm completely fine with everything else.

Thrilled with Moldenhauer actually, think they got a really good value selection there. I don't really lump him in as the same type as those other guys who are much more "waterbug"-ish. Lisowsky, yes, but hell - 7th round pick who was ranked much higher that's got a wicked shot and a high motor? You're not gonna catch me complaining that he's small.

Could not care less if a goalie's been passed over - they're weird. Not gonna pretend like I know enough to say this was a great pick, but I also can't say it's a bad one. If you think you see something in the 6'6" goalie that put up a .931 at two different levels this year and want to spend a 4th on him. Fine by me.

I'm very intrigued by Grebenkin. His shot definitely needs some work, but boy howdy does he ever seem fun. Lotta raw skill there.

I don't get Hunter vibes from this at all.


That’s fair, Hunter draft was much, just a tad bitter how today played out.

It’s imperative that the Leafs have young talent contributing offensively during the ELC. Outside of Robertson, Knies, and Niemela and possibly Hirvonen they are lacking any real high-end talent to come up and support the main core. I’m hopeful for Steeves, Holmberg, and Douglas are able to give some bottom six help in the near future. But outside of maybe Tverberg banking on one of Voit, Moldenhauer, Lisowsky, Ovchinnikov (who I love), Miettinen, Abramov, SDA, to be anything more they AHL players is a reach.

They needed a higher ceiling player than Fraser Minten and if that is who they believe was a 1st round talent they should have traded back. Obviously have no inside information but for a guy who’s consolidated ranking was 74 I am hard pressed to believe he wouldn’t have been available later in the draft.

I don’t hate the Moldenhauer or Lisowsky picks but they have very similar guys in the organization already. I would have preferred a C in Bryce McConnell-Barker over Moldenhauer. Taking a 2023 pick to get back into this draft to take an overage goalie who only has played 10 games in the SEL was a big reach. I completely agree tho, goalies are voodoo so who knows. For me tho, if I’m trading out of the 2023 draft which projects to be really solid, it’s for a something better than a goalie passed over 3 times. Just go out and sign him.

Don’t know enough about Grebenkin but an overage MHL player doesn’t scream potential.
Dylan Giffing who covers Russian players really well didn’t even have him listed. Not going to say that’s terrible, scouts miss players, just seem that Grebenkin wasn’t ver high on many lists.

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This was easily my least favourite draft since 2017, as a Leaf fan I hope all these guys prove me wrong. I don’t love the selections made by Dubas and Wes Clark, nothing wrong with that.
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9 juill. 2022 à 10 h 30
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NSH keeps their guy
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9 juill. 2022 à 10 h 33
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I think thats Lebruns suggestion

Its not bad but from what I have heard Forsberg wants a deal in the 9mill range like Josi


8.5
9 juill. 2022 à 11 h 0
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9 juill. 2022 à 11 h 3
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See what happens when the isles trade for Romanov
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9 juill. 2022 à 11 h 4
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Probably went unnoticed but the LA Kings picked both Alex Laferriere in a previous draft and Jack Hughes in this draft.

"We have first overalls at home"
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9 juill. 2022 à 11 h 5
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Probably went unnoticed but the LA Kings picked both Alex Laferriere in a previous draft and Jack Hughes in this draft.

"We have first overalls at home"


They also drafted Jared Wright this year
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9 juill. 2022 à 12 h 38
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9 juill. 2022 à 13 h 0
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The sens are going to be much, much better than the bruins
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9 juill. 2022 à 14 h 48
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9 juill. 2022 à 15 h 25
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Honestly Anaheim should trade Gibson and then make a deal with Ottawa to take on Murray's deal

That way they keep a similar cap hit and can tank for Bedard, Michkov, or Fantilli
9 juill. 2022 à 15 h 36
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Honestly Anaheim should trade Gibson and then make a deal with Ottawa to take on Murray's deal

That way they keep a similar cap hit and can tank for Bedard, Michkov, or Fantilli


You’re underestimating Murray. He can easily post .910+ . You wanna tank, get Martin Jones
9 juill. 2022 à 15 h 38
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Honestly Anaheim should trade Gibson and then make a deal with Ottawa to take on Murray's deal

That way they keep a similar cap hit and can tank for Bedard, Michkov, or Fantilli


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You’re underestimating Murray. He can easily post .910+ . You wanna tank, get Martin Jones


If they want to tank they can just keep Gibson. Most overrated netminder in the league right now.
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9 juill. 2022 à 15 h 41
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If they want to tank they can just keep Gibson. Most overrated netminder in the league right now.


Is Husso overrated in the league too
9 juill. 2022 à 15 h 51
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If they want to tank they can just keep Gibson. Most overrated netminder in the league right now.


But think of it get a haul for Gibson

And then replace him with a guy who costs the same but only plays 20 games

As knowing Murray probs gonna get hurt and miss time again

Cause Gibson can at least give you 50 games before a burnout
9 juill. 2022 à 15 h 54
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You’re underestimating Murray. He can easily post .910+ . You wanna tank, get Martin Jones


On the Anaheim ducks without Lindholm and Manson nah

This version of Murray probs in 30 games without a strong Dcore in front of him maybe 0.900 or less

It sucks he fell but Goalies are silly geese these days
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