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Toronto Maple Leafs signed Mitchell Marner (6 Years / $10,903,000 AAV)

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14 sep 2019 à 1 h 20
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Quoting: Treize131
Oh they'll analyze and analyze this for decades. Every broadcast be it TSN or Sportsnet will analyze this until he retires. They'll be contractually obligated to discuss this forever.


Sadly
14 sep 2019 à 3 h 05
#102
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so many no votes!

Honestly, I don't blame him. I'd want paid too.
I don't think he's worth it though. He hasn't shown it at least. Lots of money for 20 some goals.

TBL must be going nuts looking at that. What the hell does point get if Marner gets 10.8. He scored 40+ goals.
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14 sep 2019 à 5 h 48
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Well, 6 years is better than 3, but still an overpayment.

Hoping that Tkachuk will not ask that much...
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14 sep 2019 à 7 h 14
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Quoting: Brian2016
Why pay him more than the highest tier for an offer sheet? Makes no sense. No reason why Dubas had to pay the extra $400k at a minimum. No team was gonna give up four 1st's obviously at this point.


You know the player has input into what they think they are worth, right? What if your boss came to you and told you he was going to pay you way less than you wanted? Would you just say okay I'm lucky to be here.
14 sep 2019 à 10 h 02
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Well Leafs, good luck next year with your defence. The situation looks really ugly. Cannot believe players don't care about other team members or having a stanley cup team. I mean let's be honest, next year the leafs won't be SC contenders simply cause they don't have any cap for their depth players.
14 sep 2019 à 11 h 17
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Quoting: ChiHawk
Obviously it wasn't a troll post, it was just someone looking at it form a non biased standpoint. I negotiate financial contracts for a living. Marner's camp did a damn good job and while it may seem like a lot now, the Leafs will be loving this contract in 5 years or less. The same thing the Hawks fans said when Kane and Toews got theirs....it was record breaking at the time and lots of Hawks fans were pissed. Guess what...nobody is complaining now.


Those were justified by Stanley cup wins, team accomplishments, and personal accomplishments.

What has Marner done? What have the Leafs done?
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14 sep 2019 à 11 h 32
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Quoting: niong108
Well Leafs, good luck next year with your defence. The situation looks really ugly. Cannot believe players don't care about other team members or having a stanley cup team. I mean let's be honest, next year the leafs won't be SC contenders simply cause they don't have any cap for their depth players.


Reasons why Toronto management isn't worried:

1. Toronto's top two prospects are both Dmen who will make <1M for their first three seasons. Both are knocking on the door this camp but will have until next year to further develop

2. $16M is coming off the books after this season with their forward core fully intact. Meaning 5.33M can be allotted per man if they wanted to (Rielly, Sandin, Liljegren are the other 3; Dermott is RFA)

3. Cap hit will only go up next season, and is projected to skyrocket with the new TV deal/Seattle expansion

So moving forward to 2020: Rielly is signed; Dermott won't sign for more than 5.33M unless it's long term; Sandin and Liljigren will be on ELCs; salary cap will go up, leaving ~10M+ to sign/trade for two Dmen.

Of course then you might say, what about when Rielly's contract expires? Or Andersen's? Just like when they signed Tavares - what about Matthews, Nylander, Marner? Or when Nylander signed, what about Matthews and Marner, etc etc. There's a method to Dubas&Co's madness; they've considered everything moving forward. Even if push comes to shove, they trade a periphery piece like Kerfoot, Kapanen, or Johnsson. By that time, Bracco, Robertson, or SDA will be able to step in on their ELC.
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14 sep 2019 à 12 h 33
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Finally ... it's over. It's done. Finally.
14 sep 2019 à 12 h 33
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
It’s finally over....

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22 likes haha
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14 sep 2019 à 12 h 42
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Haha

**** Dubas continues to prove why he's the worst GM in the league.

1. Half of the cap on 4 players and they still have yet to get out of the first round.
2. 1 defender signed beyond this season with little to no money left to get replacements
3. Prospects are looking bare and no first round pick this year.

I love watching this team burn to the ground after getting all of leafs nation hopes up!


If possible do the math. Leaf have cap room next year. Don't know why any knowledgeable fan would say that. Cupboard bare? C'mon try to know about a team before making silly statements.
Looks like the Habs will be close to he cap next year....and not out of the first round either.
14 sep 2019 à 13 h 16
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Quoting: palhal
If possible do the math. Leaf have cap room next year. Don't know why any knowledgeable fan would say that. Cupboard bare? C'mon try to know about a team before making silly statements.
Looks like the Habs will be close to he cap next year....and not out of the first round either.


Leafs have 17 Million next year with 1 defensemen signed. This team isn't better than last year and they are even tighter to the cap.
The cupboard is bare compared to other teams around the league, yes.
Montreal has 18 Million in cap next year and the only player they have to resign is Domi. Good try though
14 sep 2019 à 13 h 18
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Quoting: Jetman
Why that number????


He was 93 before NHL
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14 sep 2019 à 13 h 35
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He was 93 before NHL


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14 sep 2019 à 16 h 39
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Quoting: HabsForEver
Leafs have 17 Million next year with 1 defensemen signed. This team isn't better than last year and they are even tighter to the cap.
The cupboard is bare compared to other teams around the league, yes.
Montreal has 18 Million in cap next year and the only player they have to resign is Domi. Good try though


toronto's forward core is miles ahead of montreal's and will be in place for the next few seasons. they can allocate that entire 17 million to resigning dermott, one of barrie/muzzin, and getting a ufa to fill in the gaps. sandin and lijegren should be ready next season and if they're not, than there are a million 3rd pairing guys they can aquire for cheap.
14 sep 2019 à 17 h 42
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Quoting: mondo
toronto's forward core is miles ahead of montreal's and will be in place for the next few seasons. they can allocate that entire 17 million to resigning dermott, one of barrie/muzzin, and getting a ufa to fill in the gaps. sandin and lijegren should be ready next season and if they're not, than there are a million 3rd pairing guys they can aquire for cheap.


I wouldn't even say Toronto's forwards are better than Montreal's forwards. Toronto is a 2 line team that can be exploited by a team like Montreal when they play. Shut down those top 2 lines and you will dominate.

Say Muzzin gets 7, that gives you Reilly and Muzzin. Liljegren and Sandin are both unproven. That defense doesn't get you to the cup.
14 sep 2019 à 19 h 40
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Quoting: HabsForEver
I wouldn't even say Toronto's forwards are better than Montreal's forwards. Toronto is a 2 line team that can be exploited by a team like Montreal when they play. Shut down those top 2 lines and you will dominate.

Say Muzzin gets 7, that gives you Reilly and Muzzin. Liljegren and Sandin are both unproven. That defense doesn't get you to the cup.


Lol that opening statement is pure gold.
14 sep 2019 à 20 h 20
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It took 20 years, Dubai’s going through the washer and dryer and back again, Marner makes his contract the goddamn Dover king of the NHL, but it’s done.
14 sep 2019 à 20 h 26
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Quoting: Random2152
Ever heard of ltir?


ever heard of jokes?
salty that this team will be tanking for 1st pick in a couple of years thanks to cap hit?
14 sep 2019 à 20 h 27
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Quoting: Random2152
Ever heard of ltir?


ever heard of jokes?
salty that this team will be tanking for 1st pick in a couple of years thanks to cap hit?
14 sep 2019 à 21 h 01
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Quoting: thelastlongbow
Lol that opening statement is pure gold.


Not talent wise, but the way Montreal's forward core is built, is better in the playoffs. Toronto can't get out of the first round because they have no depth whatsoever. Boston can easily out match Toronto
14 sep 2019 à 21 h 01
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Quoting: grodziQ
ever heard of jokes?
salty that this team will be tanking for 1st pick in a couple of years thanks to cap hit?


Lol
14 sep 2019 à 22 h 28
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Quoting: Blazingbat11
It’s finally over....

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I literally just finished watching that movie RN?
14 sep 2019 à 23 h 32
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as I said the moment the Matthews contract was inked. The leafs did it to themselves. They way overpaid Matthews which left them with no choice but to also overpay Marner. They have only themselves to blame.
14 sep 2019 à 23 h 46
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Quoting: awesome
as I said the moment the Matthews contract was inked. The leafs did it to themselves. They way overpaid Matthews which left them with no choice but to also overpay Marner. They have only themselves to blame.


Blame themselves for what exactly?
Are they forfeiting the season because their players are too expensive?


I think people are struggling to see the truth behind their current criticism of Toronto: "you can't fill out a team around those 4 contracts".

Their argument does makes sense ... but it's only one perspective of the situation (the worst possible perspective).

For example: Lets widen the lens a bit and compare the new cap situation to other NHL teams.


Can Toronto afford to build a team around the Top-9 forwards that they've locked in?

$11,630,000 x 5 years = Matthews
$11,000,000 x 6 years = Tavares
$10,890,000 x 6 years = Marner
$6,960,000 x 5 years = Nylander
$3,500,000 x 4 years = Kerfoot
$3,400,000 x 4 years = Johnsson
$3,200,000 x 3 years = Kapanen
$2,250,000 x 2 years = Hyman
$770,000 x 2 years = Moore (or replacement)

$53,600,000 = Total Cap-Hit (top-9 forwards)
$5,950,000 = Average Cap-Hit (top-9 forwards)

The answer to this question is an easy yes .


Many teams are actually spending a similar amount or more on their top 9 forwards (their 9 most expensive forwards).

But most of them don't have a forward group this talented:

Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Moore - Kerfoot - Kappy



However ... I still don't think Dubas did a very good job ... why TF did Lou not get one more year to negotiate these contracts ...
14 sep 2019 à 23 h 52
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Quoting: drewjenks
Blame themselves for what exactly?
Are they forfeiting the season because their players are too expensive?


I think people are struggling to see the truth behind their current criticism of Toronto: "you can't fill out a team around those 4 contracts".

Their argument does makes sense ... but it's only one perspective of the situation (the worst possible perspective).

For example: Lets widen the lens a bit and compare the new cap situation to other NHL teams.


Can Toronto afford to build a team around the Top-9 forwards that they've locked in?

$11,630,000 x 5 years = Matthews
$11,000,000 x 6 years = Tavares
$10,890,000 x 6 years = Marner
$6,960,000 x 5 years = Nylander
$3,500,000 x 4 years = Kerfoot
$3,400,000 x 4 years = Johnsson
$3,200,000 x 3 years = Kapanen
$2,250,000 x 2 years = Hyman
$770,000 x 2 years = Moore (or replacement)

$53,600,000 = Total Cap-Hit (top-9 forwards)
$5,950,000 = Average Cap-Hit (top-9 forwards)

The answer to this question is an easy yes .


Many teams are actually spending a similar amount or more on their top 9 forwards (their 9 most expensive forwards).

But most of them don't have a forward group this talented:

Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Moore - Kerfoot - Kappy



However ... I still don't think Dubas did a very good job ... why TF did Lou not get one more year to negotiate these contracts ...


blame themselves for another overpayed contract which makes the cap magic tougher, definitely not impossible but why spend an extra 4million a year if you don't have to? That is a decent player's contract.
 
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