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Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 13 h 54
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BestGMBenning</b></div><div>You know the stats about Tampa Bays wins on their road to the Cup last season? 11 out of 16 wins were either shutouts or 1 goal allowed? You know that? Games that Vasilevekiy was a complete brick wall? Defence playing a role in those wins as well? How do you explain that? They literally won the last game of the playoffs 2-0. I’ve given you an easy explanation on why Pittsburgh had lost and why the Islanders lost and it really isn’t that hard to explain. Goaltending. But yet you wanna blame offence strictly and call hockey an offensive game and ignore the importance of defence and goaltending as well. You say Jarry brought them to the ot games? I explained to you he barely faced that many shots in the double OT game. The double OT game isn’t even a flex when the second ot game lasted only 51 seconds BECAUSE OF HIM 😂. 28 shots faced in literally 80 minutes and 51 seconds. That would’ve been any other experienced goalies dreams 😂. And yet somehow in your eyes Jarry turning over the puck resulting in a islanders goal is Pittsburghs offence’s fault. You see how dumb that sounds?</div></div>

Yes because the whole 20 minutes of the 1st OT wasn't enough time to score a goal, clearly it's the goalie.
TB was also a top 10 offense last year. As I said, having a good offense is the best defense. It's pretty hard for the other team to score when you have the puck and are controlling the game. What part of that didn't you get?

You see to have some grand dissolutions here. At no point did I say Jarry couldn't have played better. That's really not the point here.
You seem to want to blame him completely for the loss. You are unwilling to admit that there is plenty of blame to go around. Fact is he did play good enough to win. You can't blame a guy for losing a game in the 2nd OT. When the forwards had 20 minutes to score and didn't. What part of that don't you get?
You had 20 minutes to just put 1, just 1 puck in the net. They didn't. Do you really think they are going back in the locker room going, it's on him. Or you think they are going back and saying damn we didn't get it done when he gave us 20 minutes to do it.
At some point there is more than enough blame to go around. Which you refuse to recognize.
Fact is they didn't score. Period. That has been a repetitive problem for this team when games count. Or are you blind to the MTL series and the NYI series two years prior?
So you have a 3 year recurring problem and you scapegoat the goalie.
you can just stop right there with that and start looking in the mirror and being honest about it.
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 13 h 41
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>Every single one of your comments here are bad lol. Your mad cause literally no one agrees with you here. No a guy controlling where he goes isn’t acting like an ass. A guy who has a 3 team trade list and wants traded to a contender but lists the 3 last place teams as you described he could do is acting like an ass. Literally look at his faceoff stats. Again, he has taken like 300 faceoffs. Not strictly a RW. He’s been a center his whole career lol. Talk about not watching games</div></div>

look at you backtracking here.
You've gone from C to "not strictly a RW"
You fail to understand a 3 team trade list doesn't mean anything. Didn't you learn that from kessel. Where he just listed teams that weren't going to trade for him. Common sense.
You fail to get a 3 team trade list doesn't mean anything. He doesn't have to pick playoff teams. Why is that so hard for you to grasp. It's not the 1st nor the last time such things occur.
The only one mad on here is you. This is typical capfriendly. Someone proposes an idea and all the "opinions" come out. Believe me I more than expect it, you are the only one with an emotional attachment to it. Because you have no open mindedness on anything.
But you don't have any real ground on any of it. The fact is I presented a very plausible trade. A. The Penguins appear to be a real cup contender, who indeed need forward help. B. Pavs will want to join an actual contender with a team he believes can win, and he can contribute what is missing. C. The penguins are not going to give up an arm and a leg to add. Not only have they stated that but their past actions under Hextall show that.

It's your failure to get these facts that makes it impossible for you to grasp it. You think DAL is only moving Pavs for some return that isn't coming. But the teams most likely to win don't have to offer that. They all know it. Because Pavs chooses the path, and Pavs chance at a cup is just as important to him as the team he goes to. Which means the trade value will be low. Which D. is a more common recurring theme, where the analytics has shown teams are walking away from such expensive trade deadline deals, especially on rentals.
So yeah good luck on figuring that out.
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 13 h 31
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>So take the bet then!!! No money or anything serious. Just CF clout and bragging rights. If your solution is SOOOO certain and based in reality and logical, you have an easy way to winning the bet. What's the issue? I'm essentially giving you better odds than I.

Doesn't even have to Pitt specifically. Like I said, Pavelski to Pit is not my contention. Its who you think has to go back in return that is. So lets put it in a friendly wager, where based on your opinion and analysis, you should have a greater chance of winning than I do.

Enough of this silly back and forth. There is literally nothing you can say that will lead me to believe you. (And vice versa I imagine)

THE BET - if you want to alter the bet parameters a little, let me know.

- Regardless of whichever team acquires Pavelski, Dallas will not receive more salary and/or term then they are losing to facilitate the trade. This is irregardless of whether Dallas retains salary on Pavs contract or not. If they DO receive a cap hit back, it will be a pending UFA's cap hit which will finish at season end so minimal actual dollars will be taken on. If the contract coming back is signed through next season as well (similar to Zuckers), it will be for no more than 2M cap hit MAXIMUM and this pushing it IMHO.

Winner gets to rub it in the losers face (within CF rules of course!).

DO YOU ACCEPT OR NOT?</div></div>

A. "rubbing it in" is already against the CF rules. You should know that already!
B. Your bet is meaningless. You want me to take a position that is clearly stated while yours is just some ambiguous not that.
You want to talk about skin in the game. Go ahead there tough guy, lets see your Pavs trade proposal.
Then we can make our friendly bet over which one it ends up being. But your ambiguous cowardly no real position isn't a bet.
So you just post yours any time you're ready
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 1 h 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BestGMBenning</b></div><div>Here you are still ignoring the stats I bring up and the importance of goaltending and the importance of defence. Did I say defence wins you games? I have not but it still play a a role in to winning games. Goaltending also plays a role in to winning games which is why the Islanders beat Pittsburgh. Simple as that. How do you think the series would’ve gone if Sorokin and Varlomov were doing as bad as Jarry did. You rely too much on the scoring. You still need the defence and goaltending. I will keep repeating this that you don’t win without defence and goaltending. The offence will always do it’s job. Those Stanley Cup winning teams always has a perfect mix of those. But the goaltending really shows a lot of importance. You don’t have that, there’s simply no winning. No defence, goalie faces too many shots. Offence only, you’d have to score a lot of goals a game because you have bad defence and a goalie facing too many shots. The game will always remain the same and it’ll really show. Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay don’t win their cups without their defence and goaltending. Because from your logic, teams in the past that had arguably better offence than them should’ve won the cup. But they didn’t because they were only an offensive powered team and nothing else. You’re offence only mindset is simply a dumb one. It’s an all round team that wins. Offence, defence, and goaltending. The ones that show the most in Cup runs is how well the goalie can stop the puck and how well the defence is able to shut down the opposing teams top lines. Which is what almost ever Cup winning team in the past 10 years had. They’re offence did their job, their defence had been disruptive to the opposing teams, and their goaltending actually making saves. They didn’t win strictly on offence as much as it helps.</div></div>

what stats, you didn't give any stats...
You just rambling at this point. As I said. You don't want to admit the skaters didn't get it done. You can ramble all day about goaltending. He put them in 2 OT games. 2, one went to double OT. How long do you need to score? You still haven't answered that question. It's not on the goalie when the forward group puts up 0 goals in a whole OT period is it? FFS dude, there is more then enough blame to go around. Stop pinning it on Jarry. He is the least of the concerns on the team right now. They need a scoring forward to help the lines because without it, it's gonna be the same crap where they can't get goals when they need them.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 0 h 58
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Again. Selling Ice to eskimo's.

I can see this is going nowhere with you. Hence why I said bet on it to prove your commitment. Put your money where your mouth is then. You can continue to back out and use the " Im only saying logical choice" BS but if its logical, then you have a higher chance of it happening. Why not take the bet? Your answer: Because teams are stupid or someone will overpay blah blah blah. Hence exactly why I'm telling you this will never happen. So your logical point is useless because even you believe it won't happen.

And the funniest thing is, you yourself say Dallas can move Zucker out "easily". So why doesn't Pittsburgh do this then and simply create the cap space needed to make this deal happen? Why is the onus on Dallas to do the Zucker trade and not Pit? Why does Dallas have to take on the extra work of moving Zucker afterwards when Pitt can simply do it? Its actually in PItts best interest to move out Zucker as soon as possible to accrue as much extra cap as possible. Dallas is still trying to make the playoffs so this trade, if it were to happen will happen near the TDL, no?

My god Pharrow, enough already. Doubling down on this silly point that has been disproven by your own statement is embarrassing. (Pit can easily trade Zucker then)</div></div>

PIT hasn't moved zucker out because LW depth is horrible and they aren't giving up assets. They have already stated that. What LW are they going to find to replace him. Come the offseason he's most likely going to be moved. But it's a bit late to make that move now with nothing coming back. It's not like he had a bad year last year, he had 9 goals in 38 games. That's almost a 20 goal pace. And he netted 2 in 6 playoff games. They didn't move him because they didn't see him as an issue.

You and your bet bet bet..... honestly it sounds pathetic. Everyone on here knows every single trade on here has little chance of happening. Not because of the trades themselves but simply because that's how it is. So you're obsession with that is just pathetic. Talk about stop doubling down.

You just have a hard time accepting reality. You think he's brining back a 1st +..... that's not happening. Get over it.
I am more than willing to bet you that's not happening no matter where he goes. Because he's gonna chose where that is and that's that.
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 0 h 51
Forum: Armchair-GMsam. à 15 h 8
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BestGMBenning</b></div><div>And you know what those teams also had? Defence that shut down other teams top lines. Goaltending to actually stop the puck. You get no where only being an offensive powered team. You can’t win every game scoring the amount of goals you expect a team to, to win. That’s where you are lost. Look at how much praise goalies get for when they perform well in the playoffs. You yet again keep ignoring why Jarry’s performance was poor and why it had costed Pittsburgh some games. He had poor positioning and left too many holes open to score on. He failed to stop the puck to hold on to leads. He gave up bad goals at the worst times. How many championship teams in the past 10 years have had goalies giving up 3+ goals a game? How many of these games were blowout wins? You don’t get plenty of those in the playoffs these days. There was literally 5 shutouts by Tampa Bay in their cup run where they could have actually won those games 1-0. And then they won 6 games where Vasilevekiy only gave up 1 goal and could actually win with a minimum of 2 goals. So that makes 11 out of 16 wins were games that Vasilevekiy had won for Tampa Bay. Making your need for 3+ goals a game all the more invalid to me. This is the impact of goaltending in Stanley Cup runs. And yet you keep ignoring the impact they have and also the impact defence can have. You can’t rely on just scoring as much as it helps. There are more factors that build up to a cup winning team that you time and again keep ignoring.</div></div>

neither the penguins nor TB had some great defensive teams. The other team is too busy chasing the forward group all over the ice. It's the pressure they built and it's why both those teams have high Corsi, as they controlled possession and the pace of play. That's why they won. As I said, the best defense in the NHL is a good offense. It puts the other team on their heels.
This old mentality of defense wins in the NHL is ridiculous. Go look at the top defensive teams in the NHL those years they won. They didn't win cups.
PIT's defense was middle of the pack, they were not great, They won on their offense. It's why they never changed the system and the rest of the NHL tried to play catch up to them.
It's not even worth arguing this.
You blame the loss of the goalie, in your mind that's what it is. Well, that's not true. There is plenty of blame to go around. I've explained why on that over and over, you don't want to accept the fact that not putting a puck in a net in OT means you lose or that the forward group giving up two penalties putting the team down 2 goals and not managing to get any of them back causes you to lose games.
Well it does. None of that has anything to do with the goalie. It only takes 4 games to lose a series, there are 3 right there that the forward group helped lose. It's not "all" on Jarry. He's not the issue.
They need to score if they want to win another cup. They better find the forward help to get that done if they want to make a deep run.
Forum: Armchair-GMsam. à 14 h 58
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>Are....are we going to dance around the point that the contention here is not WHICH team he goes to but WHO you have in exchange for him? Pavelski being traded to Pit is perfectly fine. Just not for Zucker. Or any player similar to Zucker in cap hit, age and production.

If Pit can't make the trade because of their cap situation, then A) Pit can go out and trade Zucker to someone else to create the cap space or B) ask that Dallas retains 50%. Heck even a 3rd team can be added to retain extra. Just like with the Foligno, Janmark, Savard trades last year.

Then once that's done, pay Dallas a 1st rounder +, Because that's what he'll cost you. Not a player whose signed to an overpriced contract that has 11 points this year.

And if Pit doesn't like it. Fine. Don't do it. Then Dallas calls Arizona and VGK/TB and brokers a 3 way in which Dallas and Arizona retain 50% each, leaving Pavelski only costing 1.7M in cap which VGK/TB can now afford.

-Pavelski goes to a cup contender. Check.
-Dallas gets a 1st round pick. Check.
-Arizona gets an extra pick for a few months of retaining. Check.
-Pittsburgh doesn't have to trade Zucker anymore. Check.

Everyone happy.</div></div>

You don't get it, teams have walked away from trades like you are trying to suggest. The Foligno is a good example why.
Look at what PIT paid for Carter. They got 2 years on that deal not a rental. Carter came to PIT because he wanted to win, period. He wasn't just going anywhere.
He chose it, he controlled it. The return was not what one would have expected. It's going to be the same deal here. You are over here arguing the return of a 3rd. I have no idea even why.
Zucker will move out for cap reasons. You have this idea PIT is mortgaging the future to make this happen. They aren't.
Just like they didn't to get Carter.
If Pavs wants to come to PIT that's a reality you just refuse to accept. If that's the choice he makes to give him the best chance of winning a cup, DAL isn't blocking it. No matter what your wish for it is.
You act like Zucker is the issue here. He's not. DAL can easily move Zucker out. There are multiple teams that would take him for a small return. AZ, BUF are two. He's a 1 year deal so he's low risk high reward.
Someone take that.
These are realities. As I said before and I'll maintain it. Pavs is going to choose his own team, he will choose a place that A. gives him the best option of winning, and B. can fit him under the cap. I'm sure he'd love to join a team like TB.....but TB isn't going to fit him under a cap. So the options are very small here. PIT looks like a great fit.
Forum: Armchair-GMsam. à 14 h 51
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>1. Yes I do get it. It’s you who isn’t getting it. He has a 3 team trade list so if Dallas wants to trade him, you best believe he has to give a 3 team trade list. Dallas isn’t going to hamstring themselves. He can tell them which order he’d prefer as in most willing to least willing. And Dallas can try to get him to his most willing team, but they aren’t obligated by any means.
2. I used more than just Boston. But way to cherry pick I guess. And right, Boston has 1 center. And how much better they’d be with a second center like Pavs. It’d make them so much deeper.
You make no sense. In point one you say he doesn’t have to list 3 teams and he will choose where he wants to go, then in point two say he will list 3-4 teams. And how does that make Nashville out? They are literally leading their division lol. I was literally going through teams currently in the playoffs in my head to show literally every other playoff team could do better than this offer whether they send cap back or not. I never said all of those teams have a shot at him. Simply that they’d be able to one up a pavs for Zucker trade.
Again you seem to forget Pavs is a top 6 forward who plays center and wing. He’d take over as 2C in Boston moving Coyle down to 3C. Hmmm what looks like a better option, going to Boston where your 3C becomes Coyle, or Pittsburgh where your 3 C would be Carter? I’d say Coyle is more likely the better 3C. And that’s nothing against Carter.</div></div>

3 team trade list. OTT, CHI SEA...boom. non of those teams are trading for him. Want to move, get my permission.
He is in full control. He's not going to just compete. And YES, they are obliged to move him. It's extremely disrespectful to the player to not move him, and every one else is watching. Teams don't go burning bridges like that as it comes back to them.
Pavs isn't a center, he's a winger. You need legs to play center in the top 6. He's 37 years old. BOS is already hiding Bergeron at center trying to prevent him from playing a 200 foot game to save his legs.
That's been going on for years now. It's why DK was so exposed when his game fell apart. It's why the gigantic hole at center down the line up right now is so evident.
As far as NSH, good luck on that, that's not a team winning a cup and everyone knows that.
Fact is you really don't get it. It shows by your response. No he does not have to list 3 teams. As I just did above. He can control his future. That doesn't mean he's not narrowing it down to where he wants to be. He will choose where that is based on HIS belief on where he can win. No DAL isn't getting in the way of that. They don't benefit by doing that at all. It's neither good for them as a team or league.
So prepare for Pavs to have HIS team, the cost isn't really the issue.
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 15 h 14
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BestGMBenning</b></div><div>There’s plenty of goals to call out Jarry on. He even let shots past him that were just shots being thrown at the net. He had poor positioning at times and the Islanders took advantage of his poor positioning. I just pointed out a stat line to you from the Lightning you absolutely ignored. Your level of hockey you played means nothing. All there is to it is you only played hockey. It doesn’t mean anything or translate anything you know about the game in to the NHL’s level of hockey. You bring an offensive only mindset to the game it isn’t going to get you anywhere. Look at highly offensive teams in the past that have failed because they were mostly an offensive only team. Look at current highly powered offensive teams that have lost. You don’t get anywhere in the league with just offence. Your way of thinking would get a team no where</div></div>

It gets you no where?
TB and PIT own 4 of the last 6 cups. Come tell me it gets you no where.
Offense is the best defense in the NHL.

You just don't want to admit the forwards didn't get the job done. That's what it falls down to. In your mind the only person to blame is Jarry.
I hate to break it to you, that's no true. There is plenty of blame to go around, even the players know that.
They did not get it done in OT, they put the team in a bad position in the 4-1 loss and didn't do anything to help climb out of the spot they put the team in.
At the end of the day you can't blame the goalie for not putting the puck in the other teams net.
Those are some facts you're going to have to accept.
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 15 h 9
Forum: Armchair-GMven. à 15 h 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>I’ll try and break this down thought by thought.
I never said they wouldn’t keep him from a chance to compete for a cup. I said he has a 3 team trade list and the other 2 teams he chooses likely beats that offer.
All of the other cap strapped teams could beat that offer though. All they have to do is add a pick to some cap moving back. And there are several contenders that don’t even have to send back cap to make it work like Nashville for example. So while yes he does get to choose, just about every other team beats that offer and all they gotta do is add a pick. While Dallas may not got in the way, they still are allowed to choose the best deal from the choices Pavelski gives them. And most teams would probably send a 1st back especially if they are having Dallas take cap back to make room.
Vegas offers Reilly smith and a 1st for Pavelski 50% retained. Dallas can then flip smith 50% retained for another 2nd and not have a cap hit next year. Florida trades Vatrano and a 2023 1st for Pavelski and the stats can flip Vatrano for a mid-late pick and not have cap hit next year. Minnesota could trade Fiala for Pavelski, or since they have over 11 million in deadline space right now could just trade picks for him and really go for it. Boston could give Debrusk and a 1st for Pavelski 50% retained.
I never claimed Zucker was a cap dump, simply that just about any other contenders could beat a Pavelski for Zucker straight up trade.
There is no reason to believe that Dallas wouldn’t create a bidding war for Pavelski and try and get at least a 1st for him. Teams are desperate come deadline and with covid/injuries there will be teams willing to go stupid for a guy like Pavelski.</div></div>

1. You really don't get it. You think he has to name 3 teams going to the playoffs, he doesn't. He picks bottom teams, they aren't going to trade for a rental, and that's the end of that argument.
He has full control over where he is going.
2. He's not going to a team just to compete, he's going to pick his best chance of winning. You use BOS. I've said this before on capfriendly. BOS has 1 center, you don't win the cup on a team with 1 center.
He's not picking teams to go for or accepting trades to teams just to say, yeah I went to the playoffs again. He's 37, he's never won. That's the priority. He's going to list out 3-4 teams he thinks are the best chance to win. Period. That's what it comes down to. So MIN, NSH, BOS. All those teams are out.
VGK is an option, I've listed that on capfriendly before as well. So is FL. Who have the pieces in place. Those are two teams that could potentially make it work. FL is probably harder though because the return would be Hornqvist and I don't think DAL wants that contract. At least Zucker could be moved for a year, I think Hornqvist is harder to move. VGK has it's own cap issues, so that is a huge questionmark.

The point being this bidding war you think is going to happen, isn't.
It's going to be down to 1-2 teams most likely. By Pavs choice. He's going to look for a team, deep at center, solid defense and goaltending.
Those are all things the penguins have. Which is why I put them out there as this is the option. VGK and FL have that too. But those are harder moves to get done.

What isn't going to happen, is he's not going to end up on a team he doesn't think can win. Which rules out 3/4 of the playoff teams most likely.
As most of us can look at teams and go, yeah, unless things change they aren't winning a cup.
Out of what's left, the cap is the biggest issue, and that will knock teams like TB out of it.

So you can go round and round on bidding wars, but you aren't going to see the return you think here. Yeah, BOS could offer more, but BOS isn't trying to convince DAL in a trade. That's the part you aren't getting. Coyle as 2C isn't inspiring a 37 year old guy to win a cup. Which is the bottom line on these options you present.
He's going to pick HIS team. Period.
The making it work part isn't the complicated part, DAL isn't getting in the way.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. à 20 h 10
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Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. à 20 h 7
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BestGMBenning</b></div><div>And how often does it become the goalies to be mocked? You can’t win games purely because of scoring. Look at championship winning teams. Their efforts on offence and defence mean nothing if the goalie lets in 3-5 goals a freakin game. Which is what Jarry did. Also meaning in order for Pittsburgh to win games they’d have to score over 6 goals a game against a team as capable on both ends of the ice like them. The differences is goaltending. And that’s what the big difference maker was for the Islanders. There’s a difference between playing hockey and playing in the NHL. And you are not in the NHL 😂. You think Championship winning teams win purely off goal scoring? Looking at the Lightnings display of games from their cup run last season the had 14 out 23 games weren’t high scoring games which is the majority of games with low scoring and 9 games where they had given up 3 or more goals. And I wonder why that is? Maybe it has something to do with Vasilevskiy actually stopping the puck? Trust me goaltending plays a huge factor in to winning teams.</div></div>

I hate to break this to you, but hockey is an offensive game, it is about scoring goals. Everyone knows this. The penguins proved that in their last 2 cups.
You should also expect to have to score 4 goals come playoffs to win a game. If you need 3 to win in the regular season on average, the play gets better, you should be expecting that 4 is the mark there.
at least I played at any level, you have not and it shows.
This team threw the goalie under the bus, you want to look at one play. They had plenty of opportunity to win, they didn't get it done. Period. Blame the goalie all day, they didn't score goals.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 janv. à 20 h 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div>This makes absolutely no sense for Dallas. If Zucker is the only option available, Dallas will tell Pavs he's simply not being traded then. Its that simple. They're not going to take on a high priced player they don't want JUST to make one guy who won't be on the team anymore happy.

Regardless, plenty of teams will be interested in Pavs and Dallas can retain as much cap to make it work as needed but you better believe the return is picks and prospects not Jason Zucker.</div></div>

DAL isn't going to not trade him, it's disrespectful to the player and everyone remembers that. Like I said, they can move Zucker. He's not the "bad" player you want to make him out to be. There are several teams who would take that contract for 1 year. And as much as "plenty of teams" are interested in Pav, the truth is he's going to look only at those where he thinks he can win a cup. He's not going just to compete. He's 37 never won. There are a hand full of teams where you can look at it and say ok, and of those then you got the cap problems. So a team like VGK who might look like a great spot to land him, is most likely out. The same would be true for say TB. You aren't thinking this out clearly. You need a team with Good defensive depth, a goalie, and deep at center. PIT is an obvious destination and maybe his best choice when cap is considered.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PleaseBanMeForMyOwnGood</b></div><div>The least Dallas can do is give Pavelski to Pittsburgh and take back a bad contract. While they are add it they may as well give a 1st rounder to Pittsburgh as well because it's a favor to Joe.</div></div>

again reading is an important skill in life.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensfan89</b></div><div>Even if that’s the case, he can list 3 teams. I’d have to think that offer gets beat by the 2 other teams and Dallas will get the teams in a trade war to up his value. And he’s almost a ppg player. I’m sure one of the teams on his list will give up a 1st for him. I would have to think Dallas would just keep him if they feel they don’t get what they want for him. I mean by all means I hope Pavelski gets a cup, but I think if he wants one, he will just sign a cheap deal with a contender in the offseason. Just my opinion.</div></div>

DAL isn't going to keep him. You don't tell a 37 year old guy who's never won he can't compete for a cup. That isn't going to happen.
You are talking about a guy who's going to get to choose. He's not choosing to not compete, and he's not going to choose any random team based on return. He's looking to where he can go and actually win.
The reality is, the most competitive teams are cap strapped and don't have much in terms of moving to make it happen. Maybe FL with Hornqvist, but you are looking at the same issues with arguably a worse player who can't be moved in return.
People on here and the Zucker is a cap dump are clueless. Zucker isn't a problem for DAL to move. That is the most inconsequential part of the trade.
It's right up there with expecting any kind of real return. DAL isn't getting in his way to be moved.
Forum: Armchair-GM12 janv. à 21 h 54
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BestGMBenning</b></div><div>His stats would say otherwise in the playoffs. You clearly haven’t watched the games they played. They had the offence going and the puck possessions going and couldn’t figure out Sorokin and Varlomov. You keep bringing up the one game which I already agreed they had a bad game. Also what’s so hard to understand the goalie needs to stop the puck? Jarry didn’t do that for them. Game 1 he did that but still gave up in my opinion, a bad goal. Game 2 was his best game and after that he didn’t do that good at all. Double OT game he had to be bailed out by Pittsburghs defence and they’re offence. They had so much time on the attack and stellar defence because they knew they needed the win and heavily outperformed the Islanders that game. Look deeper in to that game. Jarry had only faced 4 shots in the second, 6 shots in the 3rd and 7 shots in first OT. How was he “carrying” the team in to that game when his workload wasn’t close to being heavy? That’s where Pittsburgh had been giving themselves a chance. And then of course Jarry’s huge mistake which you keep ignoring costed them the game and series. You know how bad he was in that series? He was literally mocked by Islanders fans. His mistakes led to Islanders victories.</div></div>

I love, the old you clearly didn't watch.....as if you're the only one who watches hockey games.
They had the offense going....but couldn't score right?
You realize they only need to lose 4 games to be out, two of them they were in OT didn't score, had plenty of time to but didn't.
One of them the forwards shot the team in the foot by putting the team on the PK. But you want to blame 2 PP goals against the goalie while they put up 1 goal that entire game.

There is no looking "deeper" into it than that. That's 75% of the problem right there.
No one said he carried the team either, I said he gave them a chance to win. That's true. They had chances to win. OT next goal wins.....no goal.
These are the difference in opinions of someone who played hockey and someone who watches.
18 skaters didn't perform, you blame the goalie.
They were free to put the puck in the net at any time during those 2 OT loses, they didn't. Period. That's the end of the conversation. Hockey isn't a defensive game. The best defense in hockey is offense, they didn't score.
They basically blew the 4-1 game by doing nothing with the puck and putting the goalie under the bus. But you want to blame him.
It's not that he "let" the islanders win. It's that the skaters didn't score.

PS. teams always mock the other team. How many times have pens fans mocked OV for the caps losing. It doesn't mean it was his fault. It's just easy target.
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