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Forum: Armchair-GM2 juin 2016 à 18 h 50
Sujet: 2016-2017 Trade Marchand
Marchand is usually around 20-25 goals. His 37 last year was an outlier compared to his career numbers. With the promise that Vatrano showed last year (44 goals between the AHL & NHL), its reasonable to assume he may be able to pick up the slack in that production. I wouldn't consider Green a massively overpaid dud of a dman. He is good for 40 points a year, skates really well, and is big, which isn't easy to find. He's also a right shot, which the Bruins need.

The premise of this roster, is to bring in puck moving dman, and get a return for Marchand, because if Vatrano and Vesey are on the roster and pan out the way they could, then the Bruins will need to let Marchand walk next year. If Marchand could yield a better dman than Green, then go get him.

I think where the $ needs to spent is on C and puck moving D. With good center's and dman that can move the puck, Vatrano & Vesey should be able to pick up 20-25 goals each.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 juin 2016 à 17 h 1
Sujet: 2016-2017 - Escaping Krejci's contract
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wabit</b></div><div><i>A wing doesn't really help the Wild, they need a centre. Bergeron is too $$$ for them already against the cap.</i></div></div>

I think the Wild would pull the trigger on that deal. Vatrano is only 22 years old and scored 44 goals between the AHL &amp; NHL last year. Combine that with a late first rounder - that would be a good deal for Brodin. They could move those pieces to another team for a center - or use Vatrano at center, as he has played mostly there in the AHL last year. I would like to see Boston keep him, but if they sign Vesey, that presents a log jam at left wing (Marchand, Vesey, &amp; Belesky). Also, Bergeron is untouchable. I think any team in the league would pay him that salary he has.

<em>"Krejci is a legit 1B center and wrong if you think the bruins need to dump him. He's not that overpaid"</em>

As for Krejci - I think if they could unload him, they would. $7.25 mill for his production and age, is no bargain. Especially with Spooner coming up and the price he costs. If Spooner were to take over Krejci's minutes next year, he would probably out pace Krejci in production. And you could take the money you save and allocate it elsewhere.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 juin 2016 à 13 h 4
Sujet: 2016-2017 Shattenkirk
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>F50marco</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BDF912</b></div><div><i>Igor - you and others seem to be having difficulty following this scenario. This would be a trade and sign deal. St. Louis would have to allow Edmonton to talk with Shattenkirk and determine if he would agree to a long term deal if they made a trade for him. If he says yes, then you pull the trigger. Edmonton has no shot at Shattenkirk next year when he's a UFA. It's much easier for them to get a player of this caliber through a trade. St. Louis knows this too and will use it as leverage. If St. Louis is going to put Shattenkirk on the market, there will be a bidding war of offers from multiple teams.</i></div></div>

I think you kind of answered your own question though. Why does Shatty sign this 80M deal with Edmonton? Other teams are not going to offer that high so you could totally get him without giving up assets. If he wants to choose where he goes then why would he sign this deal with Edm now?

Its kind of a catch 22.

And IgorK is right, Nuge plus the 4th for Shatty and Lehtera is an over payment but even more importantly an unneeded over payment. Shatty is good but he's not a top d man anyway.He's never going to win the Norris. Lehtera is a decent second line centre. If you would swap Shatty for Pietrangelo then <strong>maybe</strong> you have a deal.</i></div></div>



I may have over-shot the mark with 8 years $80 mill., but I could see Chiarelli trading for a top dman on the condition of signing him a long term, over-market extension. Even if Edmonton comes in with the top offer to a UFA - they will still lose out. So, there best chance is to do it via a trade on the condition the player signs a long term deal.

As for the trade value....I think you guys are mis-judging the market a bit. Dougie Hamilton forced the Bruins hand, by telling them he wanted out. So, I don't think the Hamilton trade is very comparable to the Shattenkirk situation. I think a trade for Shattenkirk, or equivalent, will more resemble the value that Arizona got in return for Keith Yandle. 1st round pick, 2nd round pick, a top young prospect (Duclair), and a solid middle aged prospect (Moore). I think Shattenkirk is probably a better overall dman then Yandle too. I don't think it's far-fetched for Edmonton to give up #4, and RNH, for Shattenkirk and Lehtera. Especially if it is on the condition that Shattenkirk signs long term this summer.
Forum: Armchair-GM2 juin 2016 à 11 h 35
Forum: Armchair-GM1 juin 2016 à 17 h 13
Sujet: LETS GO BRUINS
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BruinsGuyFYI</b></div><div><i><div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>scarbrow21</b></div><div><i>Firstly, in order to get Trouba as an RFA he'd need to be offer sheeted. WPG would match 5.5 for 6 years so there's that, and if they don't match that, then the bruins give up their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd picks to the Jets which you haven't accounted for or did not know you had to. Do the Bruins even own a 2nd round pick?</i></div></div>Actually you are correct we dont have our own 2017 2nd or 3rd. i'll have to edit it ty.</i></div></div>

Bruins have Edmonton's 2017 2nd round pick. Unless Edmonton decides to give it to them this year, which is unlikely.

I don't see that deal coming true for Trouba. If Krug signs a 5 year deal it will have a NTC involved, and no chance he signs off on a deal to Winnipeg. The Bruins could still trade him but it would have to be before he is signed, or after he is signed to a short term deal that doesn't involve a NTC. At which point though, Winnipeg would basically be getting a Krug as a short term rental, as Krug would bolt from Winnipeg the second he becomes a UFA. Winnipeg would have to be blown away to agree to a deal for Trouba because of how long they have him under control as a RFA.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 juin 2016 à 10 h 7
Sujet: Bruins 2016-2017
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BruinsGuyFYI</b></div><div><i>i don't like any of the deals. I'd offer SJ1st for Shatty straight up, but not Spooner. Shattenkirk is like a fully developed Colin Miller, why not just give Miller the chance. On top of that Shatty is league average at best when it comes to the D zone. We were 5th in goals for this year, offense clearly isn't why we missed the playoffs.</i></div></div>

No chance the Blues take the SJS pick straight up for Shattenkirk. Miller is a solid prospect but comparing him to a guy that has proven to get 50 points a year is a bit of a stretch. Having 6 D that include Krug and C. Miller in it is a bit concerning - I think one of them needs to go if they are going to make any sort of run this year. Both of there defensive play is below Shattenkirk's.
Forum: Armchair-GM31 mai 2016 à 14 h 21
Sujet: fixes
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div><i>Would Arizona really want Seidenberg even for 3m a year?</i></div></div>

Doubt it. Especially with Arizona's new GM. For the most part, it sounds like personnel decisions in Arizona will be based on analytics. Also, I think there a few good reasons to hold Seidenberg this year. I don't think it is time to give up on him just yet. Keep in mind he had back surgery just before training camp last year. With a fresh start this year, and all the criticism he has received, I would think he is motivated to show he can still play. The cap situation this year is much more flexible so I don't think it is urgent to move his contract just yet. Next year would seem to be the year to buy him out, or hopefully he performs decent this year and is tradeable next year. I think a Seidenberg and Miller 3rd pairing could be decent. Would much rather see them move McQuaid (if they can).
Forum: Armchair-GM26 mai 2016 à 11 h 45
Sujet: Bruins Cave, Give Loui 6X6......oops
I know everyone hates the idea of Eriksson getting $6 mill per year, but who else could they get to produce 60 points? Maybe over pay on the money per year to get the term down to 5 years?

The top 3 RW's on the market this year are Eriksson, Okposo, and Brouwer. There's really nothing after those three. There's Shane Doan but I don't see him coming to Boston. If the Bruins want to make the playoffs next year, they would need one of these guys playing RW for them. Having Pastranak and Hayes as your top two RW's is not going to get it done. So when you break it down....Eriksson and Okposo average the exact same amount of points per year. Okposo is 28 years old and Eriksson is 31. I think Okposo definitely gets a 6 year term, maybe even 7. Eriksson will most likely get a 6 year term if he goes to the market. Perhaps he would settle for a 5 year term at slightly more money per year? Brouwer's production is way off from Eriksson and Okposo - he's a 40 point guy and he's the same age as Eriksson. So, if you don't resign Eriksson and you miss on Okposo - do you pay Brouwer at $5 mill per year for 4 or 5 years? Brouwer may even go for higher than that as he had a good playoff this year.

Whether you like it or not, the market for 60 point forwards who play 20 minutes a night is $6 mill per year.