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Trading problems - Habs fan perspective

Créé par: jonh514

Équipe: 2024-25 Hurricanes de la Caroline

Date de création initiale: 5 avr. 2024

Publié: 5 avr. 2024

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Full disclosure - I'm not a Kings or a Canes fan. As a Habs fan though, I have a fairly strong visibility on these two players who have been important to the Habs organization over the past 5 years.

I wonder if a deal like this could make sense for both teams?

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CAR

Dubois, Pierre-Luc

Détails additionnels:

The Canes get the better player in the deal, but they are also locking up an additional 3.7M of cap space for a lot of years. At his floor PLD is a great 3rd line center, but his ceiling could have him playing wing on a top line.

In PLD they get a player who can hopefully rediscover his top 6 form and slot in behind Aho. If you forgive this season, he's probably a 60-65 point player who plays a physical game, is happy to go into the blue paint, and who really just needs to rediscover his consistency.

He did not react the right way to losing his spot to Danault, but he would not be the first NHL player to underestimate Phil Danault.

I think he's due for a big rebound season in Carolina!

LAK

Kotkaniemi, Jesperi

Détails additionnels:

KK has proven he has what it takes to be a 3rd line center IMO. It's not clear if he can be more than that.

He made some mistakes in Montreal. He was arrogant and did not want to follow the development path they set out for him. I can't blame him for signing the offer sheet, but it added even more pressure for him to become a top 6 player, which he may never be.

The King's would get 2 years back and 3.7M in cap relief and could expect KK to play a solid 3rd line role.

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TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
14	87 500 000 $	61 396 667 $	0 $	350 000 $	26 103 333 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Svechnikov, Andrei 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5	Aho, Sebastian 9 750 000 $9 750 000 $ C NMC UFA - 8	Fast, Jesper 2 400 000 $2 400 000 $ AD M-NTC UFA - 1
Lemieux, Brendan 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
	Kuznetsov, Evgeny 3 900 000 $3 900 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 1
	Staal, Jordan 2 900 000 $2 900 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 3
	Dubois, Pierre-Luc 8 500 000 $8 500 000 $ C NMC UFA - 7

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Orlov, Dmitry 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Burns, Brent 5 280 000 $5 280 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik 3 400 000 $3 400 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 1
Slavin, Jaccob 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Morrow, Scott 916 667 $916 667 $ (350 000 $$350K) DD RFA - 2	Kochetkov, Pyotr 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 3
		Martin, Spencer 775 000 $775 000 $ G UFA - 1

5 avr. à 10 h 0

Caniac2000

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The issue with Kotkaniemi isn't him or the contract. The issue is that he's a 3C, but so is Staal and so is Drury. People want to move KK because he makes the most, but it makes the most sense to move the living fossil of Jordan Staal and keep Kotkaniemi

5 avr. à 10 h 1

palhal

LongtimeLeafsufferer

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Like your logic on the trade. But any GM would be really be putting his job on the line by acquiring PLD and his iffy play and contract. If necessary KK contract isn't that prohibitive about 750,000 a year buyout.

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5 avr. à 10 h 9

sharcuda22

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Quoting: Caniac2000

Those three little letters on staals name plate means he’s not going anywhere

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5 avr. à 10 h 17

fullblowncaniac90

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Interesting idea here, but it's a monster risk for Carolina, especially with the contracts coming up that they have to give out to the likes of Necas and Jarvis. Something has to give if we want to keep around those 2 along with Guentzel, but if we take Dubois it ties our hands even more and if his floor is a great 3C, that's an even worse contract situation than KK.

If it turns out Guentzel wants to stay around, they should just buy KK out or dump him for cheap and move on while clearing as much cap as possible. Choosing KK or Dubois over keeping Guentzel if he's willing to sign should cost Waddell his job.

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5 avr. à 10 h 38

Campabee

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Great explanation, it is exactly why I would personally take a chance on PLD if I was Hughes

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Leafsfan98

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I guess it depends on how risky Wardell wants to be... High risk but very high reward

Worst case for CAR here is that PLD has slightly better production to KK at 2x the cost

Best case scenario for CAR is that PLD finds his game and CAR just got that much more scary

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5 avr. à 10 h 55

tryger

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I think it makes sense, but this move would get Blake fired. Most fair PLD trades would get him fired, I think LA is going to eat the contract and hope he continues to improve.

Either that or they rapidly need to fire Blake and trade PLD before July 1st, and the Kings will still need their future 2C, which isn't KK.

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5 avr. à 11 h 7

evelutions2

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Canes will simply keep KK. Unlike PLD, KK doesn’t have attitude problems, isn’t terrible defensive, and doesn’t eat up as much valuable cap space. KK is likely the replacement for Staal if he isn’t moved in the off season, and acquiring someone who is much more problematic is just unwise. LA shot themselves in the foot with that trade and signing.

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Caniac2000

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Quoting: sharcuda22

Those three little letters on staals name plate means he’s not going anywhere

He's going, whether that's buyout or trade is his choice

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sharcuda22

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Quoting: Caniac2000

He's going, whether that's buyout or trade is his choice

Gonna be a buyout then….. which is alright. .25 -> 1 ->2 mil over 3 years

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Caniac2000

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Quoting: sharcuda22

Gonna be a buyout then….. which is alright. .25 -> 1 ->2 mil over 3 years

He'll probably waive to save the money on his deal. No one is going to sign him, so he either loses half of it, or goes elsewhere. So, it's MUCH more likely he waives than he doesn't. Or he rides off into retirement after we win the cup

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#12

Celtics21

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Both players are overpaid for a long period of time. PLD is the better player, but KK has the less restrictive contract. I personally would NOT do this trade if I were the Kings though it could free up enough to potential resign Roy.

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BigVuVu

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this might be the biggest lose-lose trade of all time - both teams swapping bums

5 avr. à 17 h 49

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jonh514

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Quoting: BigVuVu

this might be the biggest lose-lose trade of all time - both teams swapping bums

Or lose lose might be doing nothing and this swap gets these guys going.

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