They will never... but they know that we know who they are, and that's enough for me.

It’s probably easier to come back next year in TDL season and say how delusional and out of touch MTL fans are, and how Chiarot and Monahan deals were fluke. And it’s not exclusive to Jets fans.

It's a win for both teams in my opinion. Winnipeg adds without changing their lineup too much. Habs get a late 1st for a guy who could have signed anywhere. Monahan is the biggest winner in this!

From a context perspective, I said they wouldn’t get a 1st and they did. That’s great, and by the letter of the written word I was wrong. However, can we please not forget the Habs fans that were out there saying you were getting Kakko + or a First and a top prospect?

If you expect apologies you will wait a long time. People enjoy pissing on Habs fan. Take that as a victory and let them go, most of them doesn’t have any knowledge about hockey in general and doesn’t watch any hockey game other than their respective team. I call them the Hockey Db specialitst, very good at pointing up stats but when it’s time to put a perspective on those stats they aren’t able to make a coherent sentence.

Nope.

Most human beings are UNABLE to show accountability, own their s////t, admit being wrong.

It takes a minimal amount of courage and humility to own it and say you're wrong.
They won't do it, because they lack moral character.

Yet they keep trashing and mocking and insulting fans for the tiniest proposal that doesn't suit their juvenile immature beliefs.

And they were fans who said the Jets wouldn’t trade Logan Stanley straight up for Monahan. It’s not exclusive to any fanbase. Bad takes on both sides (+ bad takes from third parties). I hope people will now understand how to differentiate users from their fanbase and not put anyone in the same group.

I got it wrong, I didn't think he would get a first. I was still closer than all the Habs fans like Burkie up there who were trading Monahan for 1sts + top prospects.

I do all the time. I was wrong about the Toffoli and Zadorov trades, and have admitted I overrated my teams player both times. I was wrong about the Lindholm trade in I thought we would get less

Oh look at that, I find YOU here....
Doesn't matter how many idiots are out there. There are always people who talk/write trash. Stooping to their level doesn't help.

Oh yeah, absolutely. Some of the trades were outlandish, as I said in my post.

Good on you for stepping up and owning it. I would like to think I will do the same when I make a comment that is wrong. I respect you for that.

Been here for 3 years now, they were proven wrong on every deadline but never admitted it.

I know for a fact some even change their username instead of admitting they were wrong.

You alllllmoooosttt did it.

Just say you were wrong, without immediately following it up with another attempt at bashing.

I have found NO ONE on here proposing Monahan (alone) for Kappo + a 1st. NOT ONE TRADE PROPOSAL like that. Not one.
That's all in your mind.

So yes, you were wrong, Thank you for saying it. You're one of the few who has humility and balls.

And no, people were saying a 2nd round pick + Kappo. Not a 1st + Kappo.

And if you happened to find a SINGLE example, then it would not be a Habs fan (there are trolls here...), or maybe someone who doesn't know... but I have not seen ONE in the last month.

But great on you for the first part of your message.

It’s a fact of sports fandom that opposing fans will undervalue your favorite teams players. Lots of people were convinced he would go for less, and plenty of Habs fans were convinced he’s go for more. Reasonable people saw the value clearly, but reason doesn’t have a heavy stake in sports discourse. Fans on both sides have an emotional stake in the game and that influences their perception of value.

Fandom is also what drives people to make “I told you so“ posts rather than just being happy your team got such good value out of a player. People feel like they need to prove something about their favorite team (or their least favorite team) - ultimately, everyone drowns everyone out.

Another half ass oownership haha.

You got it wrong.
And some Habs fans who were saying a 1st + also got it wrong.

Happens.

You can own your part without needing to cower in blaming others like a child

It's just weird to see guys who also got it wrong trying to take some kind of credit for getting it right and in the 1st reply no less. If you are calling out one side, you should be calling out the other as well.

THIS man right there.

Mad respect.

Owning your stuff.

I get it wrong often too.

It shows humility, and character.

Well done.

And cheers for you

I understand.

Click on my profile and look at my most recent ACGM thread and see the value I had put for Monahan.

Kakko was one example - here is one with VGK for 1st plus good prospects;

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/797063?post_id=4664501

Kakko & Perrault???

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/797338?post_id=4661486

How about 6 in one deal?

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/797425?post_id=4662022

There are more, but I just found the ones I commented on…

The first 2 are not what I'm talking about. Monahan alone traded for Kappo and a 1st. That's not what these are.

The last one, I agree it's a bit much. There's no Kappo and a 1st as well. But I won't defend that one for sure.
That is an extremely rare occurence. I haven't seen anything like that one... so I agree with you. In every fanbases, there are outliers.
I was people offering a 5th round pick for Monahan.... with retention and a 3rd going back. And they defended it.

But in any case, look at the ACGM thread I posted yesterday: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4861727

The overwhelming majority of Habs fans had Monahan going for either a 1st, or a 2nd+prospect. Can you agree on that?

And I will agree on the fact that some other non-Habs fans also had Monahan going for a 1st; I saw a good portion of it.

I dont want to pick a fight here again haha

@Caniac555

To be fair, and an argument that is valid for both you and me, some fans are just part time fans, and are not aware of exact trade values out there, or of the value of certain prosecpts of other teams. We see that all the time... sometimes we both can give the benefit of the doubt on the person posting, that they may just be a casual fan with an entire life outside of hockey,

I think mtl fans are so animated on Monahan because it's been a year in the making to trade him starting last year but getting injured. I was wrong that he'd get a first but deadline overpays vs Value is completely different. Monahan can not be worth a first but it costs a 1st

I said myself a 2nd and a prospect is the range for most of the players towards the top of the trade boards - including Monahan. Have a good weekend.

I am more surprised that the first is not conditional on games played, given his injury history.

I like that you are one of those that people that can acknowledge that you thought Monahan would go for less.

On the "value" and "overpays" definition, I somewhat disagree (although I think we both are kind of saying the same thing, just in different ways). As you might say yourself, "Value" of trades is fluid and it changes depending on the time of year (i.e. close to the deadline vs the off season). I think that Monahan's "value" at the trade deadline is exactly what they got (a first round pick) because we have seen these types of trades for players of Monahan's abilities repeatedly happen around the deadline. At some point, when the market continuously demands such payment, it is not an "overpay", it is the real "value" at that time of year. So perhaps using the word "overpay" is a misnomer. Now if you were to say to me that it is much less likely that Montreal would get a 1st round pick for Monahan in July (i.e. if he finished the year in Montreal, had one more year on his contract and scored 55 points for Montreal this season but Hughes wanted to trade him) I would probably agree that he might not get the first round pick, because of the fluidity/changing of the market. Of course I am not saying anything new here, as I have seen quite a few other people make similar comments.

As I said, I think you are generally saying the same thing, I think we might just disagree on whether it is an "overpay" at this point.