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Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. 2022 à 14 h 19
Sujet: Buzzin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>I'm not saying the Leafs shouldn't spend their 1st rounder at the deadline this year, I'm saying the idea of trading their first rounder for the incremental upgrade from Alex Kerfoot to Sean Monahan on their 3rd line is just stupid. Kerfoot's a Swiss army knife you can plug in anywhere in the lineup - he kills penalties and he can be a decent playmaker. He's probably slightly overpaid at $3.5M but he's not a cap dump by any stretch of the imagination.

You keep saying that good teams aren't afraid to spend their picks without also realizing that good teams also typically don't subtract from their top 9 at the same time. If they spent their 1st to get another forward that pushed Kerfoot down the lineup, that's building good depth for the playoffs, but swapping out Kerfoot for Monahan leaves them still with the same iffy 4th line and lack of depth forwards if someone gets injured - except now they've got a slightly better 3C and they've lost their 1st rounder this year. Genuinely terrible trade all-around.</div></div>

Great analysis. I agree with you.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. 2022 à 14 h 6
Sujet: Buzzin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dannibalcorpse</b></div><div>The Monahan/Kerfoot trade is just awful. Is the difference between Alex Kerfoot as a 3rd line forward and Sean Monahan as a 3rd line forward actually worth a 2023 1st? I could see Toronto adding a little for the retention on a one-for-one swap of the two, but they're both pending UFAs. I don't see any sort of value for Toronto there - even if you assume they both keep scoring at exactly their current rates (Kerfoot at 0.33 PPG, Monahan at 0.66) you're talking about Monahan contributing an extra 2-3 goals and 3-4 assists over the 20 games Toronto has after the deadline. And I think it's also worth remembering that Monahan started off last season as a solid player (7-12-19 in his first 37 GP, a 0.51 PPG pace) before going 1-3-4 in his last 28 games. Obviously there were injury issues impacting that, but if you think NHL GMs are just going to forget that performance when valuing him this year, I don't know what to tell you.</div></div>

I agree that it seems like a high price.
Was Hagel worth 2 1st round picks? Nope.

The real question is: are they LEafs worried about draft picks... or doing everything they can to get the best team IN THE PLAYOFFS (the goal is not to finish high in the regular season, but to win the Cup. Or a round). At one point, Toronto needs to realize that they are right in their contending window, right NOW.

Monahan or another player. Kerfoot is dreadful right now also...
Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. 2022 à 14 h 3
Sujet: Buzzin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Terry_AkiSauce</b></div><div>Only thing I'll say is that the league is wide open this year, it's an overpayment and you can switch the player or the picks involved but the Leafs need to go all in. A lot of top teams went all-in last year and got worse, imo last year was the first year the Leafs were true contenders and were icing a roster that was fully built by Dubas. Even with Boston's crazy start, I wouldn't be too scared of them in a 7 game series, the east is pretty weak other than that (in comparison to previous years). Then you just have the best Col/Veg</div></div>

Great point. Leafs HAVE TO go all-in with the core they have.
Yes, ideally you don't pay too much, but they have to go all-in.
I still can't believe that Tampa Bay gave 2 1st round picks for Hagel. That's going all-in.
They wanted the player so they went and got it - not caring about the price tag.
And 3 finals in a row.

And yes, that's independent to the actual player - Monahan in this case.
Leafs just have to go all-in and pay whatever price to win with this core.
They are right in the middle of that Cup-contender window, NOW.
Forum: Armchair-GM29 nov. 2022 à 13 h 54
Sujet: Buzzin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kster34</b></div><div>My apologies, I had no idea Fran615 was in favour of this trade. Gimme a break, who are you - howie meeker jr :tearsofjoy . I never said leafs shouldn’t add at tdl, just not Monaghan and definitely not for a 1st. He was just dumped with a 1st after years of playing poorly; he’s started ok but it’s only 20 games. And he’s on a huge ticket and he’s a rental, pending FA. NO chance, imo, he fetches a 1st at tdl but if he does, I hope it’s not the leafs</div></div>

:tearsofjoy

I see your point andd you're right about the LEafs needing to add.
As for Monahan, I honestly 'believe' (removing my Habs-fan bias) that he could fetch a 1st if he keeps playing like the last 3 weeks. We'll see.
With half salary return, and by taking on a bad contract, I truly believe that.

For example, they got a 1st rounder ONLY so a team could get some cap space.
So I could see his value - come TDL, that's important to mention - could very well reach a 1st.

The fact that he was given with a 1st doesn't come into play at TDL negos though, you know that.

But I see your point 100%, I really do.

The thing is, I did warch the last 5 games and I was really impressed by his strong play.

The whole thing relies on... can he keep it up lol :tearsofjoy
Forum: Armchair-GM28 nov. 2022 à 18 h 0
Sujet: Pure fantsay lineup in 2 yrs - with Fantilli - DESCRIPTION pls
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lochness1202</b></div><div>I agree with the premise but I don’t think players like Norlinder and Struble move the needle at all when we talk about players like Fantilli. Even the 2nd round pick is worthless or represents such little value when talking about someone like Fantilli.

If I had 2nd overall, I wouldn’t trade it for 8th + 16th + 30th even in a draft as good as this one. I wouldn’t do it.

He’s that good. The only centres that I think will likely be better than him in 3 years are Matthews , Mackinnon, Mcdavid. He could very well be in that tier, if not, he’s just below there</div></div>

If you want to have fun, google 1999 NFL Draft and what the New Orleans Saints did. They traded their entire draft for pick 5.
I'd do that if I was Hughes.

They would probably still say no lol
Forum: Armchair-GM28 nov. 2022 à 17 h 55
Sujet: New 3C
Toronto has to win a playoff round, period.
Tampa Bay is smarter than Toronto; they want a player, they give up their 1st rounders cause they understand the 'window'.
They gave 2 1st round picks for Hagel.
Monahan for Toronto's 1st should be a very decision for Toronto. And Habs can take back Kerfoot AND retain half salary, so they get him for free.
Boom, Toronto has to understand that it's their time NOW. Not trying to play hard wit rebuilding teams.
Go get O'Reilly? He's winning now.
Horvat? Sure, do it with a 1st.

When all is said and done, Monahan has a good chance of getting a 1st round pick.

It's NOT a slam dunk, but Chiarot got a 1st round pick.
Toffoli got a 1st round pick for the Habs.
Lekhonen got a 2nd round pick AND a 1st round pick player. And they won the Cup.

Toronto wants to play hard? Fine. Keep winning all your playoff rounds. It's going well so far.
Forum: Armchair-GM28 nov. 2022 à 17 h 48
Sujet: Pure fantsay lineup in 2 yrs - with Fantilli - DESCRIPTION pls
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lochness1202</b></div><div>Goddam it I’d love Fantilli. Would be perfect.
Not impossible that we land him. We will likely fall to 8th by end of season so a bit of luck. If we have:
8th overall (ours)
16th overall (floridas)
30th overall (another teams somehow)

I’d trade all 3 for 2nd overall. Now THAT would be unlikely but I would so do that for Fantilli. I think even prefer him of Bedard.</div></div>

Dude, I'm also dreaming of a scenario like this. Heck, there's already a 1st rounder in 2025 lined up for Monahan.
Might as well have all 3 1st round picks bundled up (adding maybe Struble or Norlinder - we have too many LHD) and getting that 2nd.
That's the only thing we really need. A solid center.
However..... a 2nd overall pick in that draft might be worth... all 3 1st round ppicks, a 2nd, a 3rd, a 4th, a 5th... lol... and I WOULD do it if I was Hugues.
Forum: Fauteuil - DG26 nov. 2022 à 14 h 3
Forum: Armchair-GM26 nov. 2022 à 13 h 54
Sujet: Next year - read description
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ColonelX</b></div><div>" Nor do i Care since that's not the point"

Seems like the point is to build a non competitive team then.</div></div>

The 'nor do i care' are the actual trades proposed. Anyone not clouded by fierce reactivity from their fanbase fuel can see I'm just pushing people out of the lineup to see what remains, letting the fog dissipate. If no one grabs Hoffman off waivers, then it'll be AHL or 13th forward or McDonald's drive-thru cashier. That's fine.

The point was to get a look of the skeleton for the following yeat once the deadwood is out.
I whole heartedly agree with you, 100%, that this is a non competitive team.

The goal should have been to make it as horrid as possible this year. Not the following one.
I would have started Xhekaj, Harris AND Slafkovsky, together, in the AHL.
Let them gain some experience.

And patch those holes with dead wood, as to plummet down the standings, to get a whiff of a top-8 draft pick.

But that's me. Not trying to suggest I know what I'm doing man.
Just an average fan that doesn't wish to become another unpaid, way-to-qualified fan who is wasting too much energy.

Peace man