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Will some people own up to their own criticism

Créé par: KentMcNally
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 2 févr. 2024
Publié: 2 févr. 2024
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Are there people out there who are willing to step up and say "I got it wrong" on the Monahan trade? I am especially wondering about the people who went over the top and called every member of the Habs fan base "delusional" when a trade for a first round pick was suggested. I remember one person saying to me on here: Montreal would be lucky to get a third round pick for Monahan with 50% retained". Heck I though that Montreal might even retain some on the Monahan contract, but they did not.
And believe me, I cringed too when I saw some really outlandish trades from some Habs fans, so I am not saying that all Habs fans are great either.
It would be great, though, if some people (the few bad apples, not everyone) were a bit more respectful with their comments moving forward. Everyone can get things wrong from time to time, but acting as though you know what is going to happen with teams and using insults is just juvenile. Perhaps I am fighting a losing battle on that front.

Hopefully Monahan does well with Winnipeg, but now I have to cheer against the Jets when the playoffs roll around, because I want that pick to be as high as possible. That is not great, because I like the Jets and in any other year I would hope they do well.
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      2 févr. à 13 h 19
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      Quoting: Huge_Caniac_Abe_Lincoln
      I am more surprised that the first is not conditional on games played, given his injury history.


      That surprised me a bit too. As a Habs fan I am glad that it is not one of the conditions but it would not have been an unreasonable thing for Winnipeg to demand.
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      I was wrong. I figured he would go for a Conditional 1st based on games played. He went for a 1st and conditional future 3rd. Pretty well directly between what @Campabee (1st&3rd) and myself (Conditional 1st) have been saying.
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      I thought that the Dvorak trade from Arizona was a good trade for Montreal at the time (especially after the Kotkaniemi offer sheet matter). I thought he would be a good 20 to 25 goal center who played well defensively. I was really wrong there. Dvorak really has not worked out in Montreal at all (in my opinion).
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      I don't really like these kinds of threads so don't post on them often, I know why you posted it but asking for other teams fans to apologize is as arrogant as some of those fans comments. I could show threads showing every ACGM or comment I have made over the last few weeks where I said a 1st + 3rd ish is the value but lets not forget that we can be wrong as well and when we are we don't always readily admit it either. I thought when we traded Petry to Detroit that we were going to get more, we didn't and we weren't called out too often on that one so why should we call out someone else? Just my opinion though, I just like the debating and sometimes even heated debates with others (you know who you are lol) as long as they don't get too out of hand.

      On a lighter note, congrats to the Jets on acquiring Monahan, hope you guys don't go too deep lol (just want that 3rd round pick and a higher 1st than 32nd lol) but in all seriousness good luck hopefully either you or the Canucks can bring the cup home!
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      Quoting: Campabee
      I don't really like these kinds of threads so don't post on them often, I know why you posted it but asking for other teams fans to apologize is as arrogant as some of those fans comments. I could show threads showing every ACGM or comment I have made over the last few weeks where I said a 1st + 3rd ish is the value but lets not forget that we can be wrong as well and when we are we don't always readily admit it either. I thought when we traded Petry to Detroit that we were going to get more, we didn't and we weren't called out too often on that one so why should we call out someone else? Just my opinion though, I just like the debating and sometimes even heated debates with others (you know who you are lol) as long as they don't get too out of hand.

      On a lighter note, congrats to the Jets on acquiring Monahan, hope you guys don't go too deep lol (just want that 3rd round pick and a higher 1st than 32nd lol) but in all seriousness good luck hopefully either you or the Canucks can bring the cup home!


      I am not asking for an apology from anyone really. My biggest point is that some people could be more respectful of other people's opinions before they start typing . There are not a lot of those people out there, but those people who just want to tear down other people/fanbases make it disappointing (of course I am not being forced to read those comments, so I can just choose to ignore it too). Just hoping that some individuals are more courteous and do not act as though they are sitting in the GM office of their own team and know exactly what their team will or will not do (within reason).

      Yes, as you said, good luck to Monahan and to the Jets in 2024/2025 (we need the pick from Winnipeg to have as much value as possible).
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      Quoting: KentMcNally
      I am not asking for an apology from anyone really. My biggest point is that some people could be more respectful of other people's opinions before they start typing . There are not a lot of those people out there, but those people who just want to tear down other people/fanbases make it disappointing (of course I am not being forced to read those comments, so I can just choose to ignore it too). Just hoping that some individuals are more courteous and do not act as though they are sitting in the GM office of their own team and know exactly what their team will or will not do (within reason).

      Yes, as you said, good luck to Monahan and to the Jets in 2024/2025 (we need the pick from Winnipeg to have as much value as possible).


      Sorry, I want necessarily talking about your thread when I said they were being arrogant, yours isn't too bad but just scroll the list of recent ACGM's like half of them are Habs fans calling out other fan bases using sarcasm and trolling. I only posted on yours cause it I was in it at the time and yours had a lot of their comments on it as well.
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      Quoting: Campabee
      Sorry, I want necessarily talking about your thread when I said they were being arrogant, yours isn't too bad but just scroll the list of recent ACGM's like half of them are Habs fans calling out other fan bases using sarcasm and trolling. I only posted on yours cause it I was in it at the time and yours had a lot of their comments on it as well.


      Fair point.

      Now, I am off to make a post about that Evans and Pearson trade to Anaheim for Zegras and their first round pick this year! (Kidding kidding).
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      A 1st was a given, everyone knew that, inside anyway lol, but what should be embarrassing is asking for an A prospect with it ...
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      It's just weird to see guys who also got it wrong trying to take some kind of credit for getting it right and in the 1st reply no less. If you are calling out one side, you should be calling out the other as well.


      Fake news, but thanks for the laughs
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      Quoting: Caniac555
      Kakko was one example - here is one with VGK for 1st plus good prospects;

      https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/797063?post_id=4664501

      Kakko & Perrault???

      https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/797338?post_id=4661486

      How about 6 in one deal?

      https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/797425?post_id=4662022

      There are more, but I just found the ones I commented on…


      Quoting: Fran615
      The first 2 are not what I'm talking about. Monahan alone traded for Kappo and a 1st. That's not what these are.

      The last one, I agree it's a bit much. There's no Kappo and a 1st as well. But I won't defend that one for sure.
      That is an extremely rare occurence. I haven't seen anything like that one... so I agree with you. In every fanbases, there are outliers.
      I was people offering a 5th round pick for Monahan.... with retention and a 3rd going back. And they defended it.

      But in any case, look at the ACGM thread I posted yesterday: https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4861727

      The overwhelming majority of Habs fans had Monahan going for either a 1st, or a 2nd+prospect. Can you agree on that?

      And I will agree on the fact that some other non-Habs fans also had Monahan going for a 1st; I saw a good portion of it.

      I dont want to pick a fight here again haha


      Love how @Caniac555 is trying to compare a Monahan++ deal in here to attempt to prove a point. Strange behaviour but not surprised in the slightest
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      I said Monahan would go for a 2nd + prospect, he went for a 1st and conditional third (which has at best a 5-7% chance of happening). I was wrong, but not that far off.

      I made the point that after the Lindholm trade, the pendulum swing where Habs posters were thinking they’d get premium assets (like Kakko, top prospects, etc). When asked I provided the posts accordingly.

      This is a very odd flex going on here. Added to ignore list.

      Quoting: BigBadBurke
      Love how Caniac555 is trying to compare a Monahan++ deal in here to attempt to prove a point. Strange behaviour but not surprised in the slightest
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      Quoting: Caniac555
      I said Monahan would go for a 2nd + prospect, he went for a 1st and conditional third (which has at best a 5-7% chance of happening). I was wrong, but not that far off.

      I made the point that after the Lindholm trade, the pendulum swing where Habs posters were thinking they’d get premium assets (like Kakko, top prospects, etc). When asked I provided the posts accordingly.

      This is a very odd flex going on here.


      The only odd flex is that you keep bringing up that you thought he should have went for a 2nd, and seemingly won't rest until someone praises you for said comment.
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      I'm one of those Jets fans that was high on Lindholm and low on Monahan. I was hoping Chevy would splurge for Lindholm right up until I saw that price tag. Glad he went to a team in the Pacific instead of the Central, and glad the Jets didn't pay that price.

      I was sure that Monahan could be had for a 2nd + B prospect until the Lindholm trade tbh. Vancouver definitely raised the bar for the center market with that package.

      I was basing all my guesses (because guessing is what we do on capfriendly) on a deadline day acquisition, and getting Monahan 5 weeks early changes how I think about the acceptable price-range for the Jets.

      I think the extra 5 weeks of not only Monahan learning Bowness-style hockey and fitting in with the Jets, but also of Montréal tanking and raising the value of their 2nd rounder, more than pays for the difference between the WPG 1st and the MTL 2nd. I think that there is a real possibility that the picks end up being 5-8 selections apart from each other when all is said and done. My hope is that Montréal ends up getting the WPG 2027 3rd rounder as well.

      That being said, I trust Chevy entirely and completely. The guy simply doesn't miss, and the pro scouts in the Jets organization are some of the best in the league (in my opinion). He wouldn't have gotten Monahan if he didn't think it would make the Jets a better team. The same applies to not paying for Lindholm. Chevy didn't think it was worth the cost, and I believe in Chevy.

      Monahan plays his first game as a Jet in 3 hours. He skipped the morning skate with his new team, which I personally find hilarious. I've been reading the @boringseanmonahan twitter account since the trade and it's pure gold. I hope he fits in well with Perfetti and Ehlers. I also hope that he picks Mony Mony as his goal song. I like him way more now that he's a Jet, and I'm excited for the rest of the season with him.

      It is a statement trade from Chevy too, especially after last year's post all-star game Jets team. A clear message to the locker room that he expects them to win a cup this year.

      Upon video review, the trade was determined to be a good price at a 1st + a 3rd. Campabee was right lol.
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      Quoting: BigBadBurke
      Fake news, but thanks for the laughs


      https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4857606

      This isn't a matter of opinion. The evidence is clear. You can spin all the stories you want but in doing so you are just showing that you are one of the people you were talking about in that first post.
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      Quoting: Byrr
      https://www.capfriendly.com/armchair-gm/team/4857606

      This isn't a matter of opinion. The evidence is clear. You can spin all the stories you want but in doing so you are just showing that you are one of the people you were talking about in that first post.


      You're right, the evidence IS clear. This is clearly a bit more than just monahan moving...
       
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