SalarySwishSalarySwish
Forums/NHL Trades

(COL/SEA) - Tatar for 2024 5th (SEA)

Who won the trade?
Le graphique a été masqué

Options de sondage


15 déc. 2023 à 19 h 15
#1
Trade confirmed: Colorado Avalanche - Seattle Kraken
Détails de la transaction
Les Avalanche du Colorado font l’acquisition de:
Logo de Avalanche du Colorado
Choix de 5e ronde en 2024 (SEA - #137)
Somme: 0 $0 $0 $
Variation: -1 500 000 $
Variation: -1 500 000 $
Variation: -1 500 000 $
Les Kraken de Seattle font l’acquisition de:
Logo de Kraken de Seattle
Tomas Tatar · 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
Somme: 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
Variation: +1 500 000 $
Variation: +1 500 000 $
Variation: +1 500 000 $
15 déc. 2023 à 19 h 15
#2
KSIxSKULLS
WentWughes
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: nov. 2016
Messages: 10,713
Mentions "j'aime": 10,271
Colorado picks up a free pick for somebody who was on the FA Market for 2 months.
SoFlaSooner a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 19 h 22
#3
Andy_Dick
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2022
Messages: 5,096
Mentions "j'aime": 2,372
Of course, a team with a ridiculous team name pays to pick up Tatar. At least it's on brand.
turtlemountain et SoFlaSooner a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 19 h 26
#4
pinslack
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 1,245
Mentions "j'aime": 1,650
SEA adds yet another top 9 winger to its roster, weird

But maybe he's worth a try due to the injuries to Schwartz and Burakovsky
STL_Skeptic a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 19 h 29
#5
turtlemountain
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2015
Messages: 2,697
Mentions "j'aime": 3,013
Hope Tatar can get his game back! He’s looked out of place in Colorado.

Makes me wonder how soon Colorado will make another move.
OldNYIfan, HockeyManiac95, Tonir87 and 3 others a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 19 h 35
#6
CameronSquires
McMann Season
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mars 2022
Messages: 2,306
Mentions "j'aime": 941
Seems pretty fair, though I like this from COLs side since they essentially signed a UFA and flipped him for a pick
OldNYIfan, HockeyManiac95, Kelandry and 2 others a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 20 h 0
#7
CSStrowbridge
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2021
Messages: 1,123
Mentions "j'aime": 855
A 5th round draft pick only has a 1 in 3 chance of playing a single game in the NHL and less than half that chance to play more than 200. Tatar will almost certainly play more games for Seattle this season than the draft pick will play for Colorado. Seattle wins.
rollie1967 a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 20 h 4
#8
sensonfire
sensonfire
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2021
Messages: 11,816
Mentions "j'aime": 4,451
That's about what I'd pay for Tatar at this stage in his career.

FWIW, it's also what Beauvillier and Lafferty were traded for recently.

Fair deal.
15 déc. 2023 à 20 h 12
#9
HockeyManiac95
and proud of it
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2023
Messages: 2,256
Mentions "j'aime": 1,605
Tbh, I felt Tatar was trending upwards and now I'm really sad that he got traded. But hey, it didn't work out. Wishing Tatar the best in Seattle
Eissportclub a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 20 h 58
#10
KrakenTheCode
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2022
Messages: 769
Mentions "j'aime": 480
Modifié 16 déc. 2023 à 11 h 37
Seems like a fair trade from my perspective. Colorado gets an asset for a player who wasn't fitting in their system for whatever reason. Seattle needs a scoring boost with much of the depth scoring that helped them roll four lines last season MIA and guys like Burakovsky and Schwartz injured. Tatar throughout his career has primarily served as a scoring threat, so hopefully he can provide that for the Kraken and help them move up the standings. If Seattle winds up selling at the deadline anyway, they could probably recoup the pick they traded for him.
15 déc. 2023 à 21 h 6
#11
rollie1967
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2016
Messages: 683
Mentions "j'aime": 272
he seems to be the poster boy for hot/cold play.... its a big win if he gets hot in Seattle.
drambui a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 21 h 13
#12
NHLfan10506
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2019
Messages: 40,169
Mentions "j'aime": 18,355
Tatar played real well in NJ last year (his first year was so-so). In 2021-22, NJD relied more on speed in North-South game. In 2022-23, Brunette’s system added more East-West in possession, which better-suited Tatar’s game. I had thought he would have done well in Colorado, but not sure how they used him.

He is a good middle-six winger for possession style system or someone looking for improvement in 5v5 controlled entries. Hope Seattle works out for him.
15 déc. 2023 à 21 h 21
#13
jpsnow13
You know nothing JS
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: janv. 2017
Messages: 7,041
Mentions "j'aime": 4,431
Seattle could use the offense even if they are out off the playoffs picture.

Colorado is saving pennies to adress their depth problem eventually. I'm sure they would had included Drouin for free.
15 déc. 2023 à 21 h 41
#14
drambui
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2022
Messages: 3,816
Mentions "j'aime": 2,507
Quoting: CSStrowbridge
A 5th round draft pick only has a 1 in 3 chance of playing a single game in the NHL and less than half that chance to play more than 200. Tatar will almost certainly play more games for Seattle this season than the draft pick will play for Colorado. Seattle wins.


you know you can trade picks for players right. for a guy as good as tatar. (this is a good exemple) flawed analys! picks are more than draft position!
Andy_Dick a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 22 h 11
#15
HockeyScotty
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2022
Messages: 1,358
Mentions "j'aime": 952
It's a "free asset" for the Avs who need draft picks and not a big lose on the current roster. Not so much to use it but for future moves and/or salary cap retention in trades.

With Tufte, Kiviranta, and Meyers able to fill in at forward when needed until the TDL I think we'll probably accrue the cap space (using ACSL).
Andy_Dick a aimé ceci.
15 déc. 2023 à 22 h 31
#16
Faulk_my_Dzingel
Smythe.over.Hart
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juill. 2019
Messages: 3,035
Mentions "j'aime": 2,350
Quoting: Andy_Dick
Of course, a team with a ridiculous team name pays to pick up Tatar. At least it's on brand.


You want some Tatar sauce with that?
Anyway. Dude is overrated. 5th rounder is more than fair.
15 déc. 2023 à 23 h 28
#17
aadoyle
Hakuna Matata
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2020
Messages: 34,033
Mentions "j'aime": 20,957
SEA has so many forwards though this feels odd
16 déc. 2023 à 4 h 24
#18
Deadsy
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: août 2021
Messages: 19
Mentions "j'aime": 28
Quoting: HockeyScotty
I think we'll probably accrue the cap space (using ACSL).


Avs is using LTIR money the whole season, not possible to accrue cap space.
16 déc. 2023 à 7 h 12
#19
Pete
Pete
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: janv. 2016
Messages: 1,358
Mentions "j'aime": 162
Tatar wins. Colorado pays a price in unnecessary draft pick. Seattle has nothing to loose.
16 déc. 2023 à 7 h 23
#20
Andy_Dick
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: févr. 2022
Messages: 5,096
Mentions "j'aime": 2,372
Quoting: KrakenTheCode
Seems like a fair trade from my perspective. Colorado gets an asset for a player who wasn't fitting in their system for whatever reason. Seattle needs a scoring boost with much of the depth scoring that helped them roll four lines last season and with guys like Burakovsky and Schwartz injured. Tatar throughout his career has primarily served as a scoring threat, so hopefully he can provide that for the Kraken and help them move up the standings. If Seattle winds up selling at the deadline anyway, they could probably recoup the pick they traded for him.


Yamo is producing on the top PP in Seattle so it's certainly possible! Yamo was as much a ghost in Edmonton at the end of his time there as Tatar in Colorado.

Quoting: drambui
you know you can trade picks for players right. for a guy as good as tatar. (this is a good exemple) flawed analys! picks are more than draft position!


Which is why the Oilers should be looking to move their depth for picks (Foegele) and acquire rentals in turn for the top 6 (Barabanov). And, let guys like Holloway and Hamblin have a role in the bottom 6.
16 déc. 2023 à 9 h 43
#21
IconicHawk
Bedard23
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mai 2021
Messages: 9,295
Mentions "j'aime": 4,476
The Seattle “We’ll take anything for scoring” Kraken
16 déc. 2023 à 9 h 51
#22
HockeyScotty
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2022
Messages: 1,358
Mentions "j'aime": 952
Quoting: Deadsy
Avs is using LTIR money the whole season, not possible to accrue cap space.


Lookup ACSL, they can; especially moving out Tatar's $1.5 hit
Andy_Dick a aimé ceci.
16 déc. 2023 à 16 h 21
#23
Deadsy
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: août 2021
Messages: 19
Mentions "j'aime": 28
Quoting: HockeyScotty
Lookup ACSL, they can; especially moving out Tatar's $1.5 hit


CapFriendly says no, for the moment at least. Currently no teams are accruing cap space.

From what I understand Avs would need to remove about another million from the current roster to be able to accrue cap space. With the first LTIR being Landy's 7 million it's not likely Avs will accrue any cap space this season. Or I could be completely off.
16 déc. 2023 à 17 h 9
#24
NorthernLeafsFan05
Amirov Forever
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: mars 2022
Messages: 6,560
Mentions "j'aime": 6,036
Thought Tuna would fit like a glove in Colorado. Unfortunately he didn't pan out there, but Seattle really feels like a team that can get the most out of him. I think this is relatively fair granted the circumstances, but Seattle gets some good value here
16 déc. 2023 à 23 h 2
#25
HockeyScotty
Avatar de l'utilisateur
Rejoint: juin 2022
Messages: 1,358
Mentions "j'aime": 952
Quoting: Deadsy
CapFriendly says no, for the moment at least. Currently no teams are accruing cap space.

From what I understand Avs would need to remove about another million from the current roster to be able to accrue cap space. With the first LTIR being Landy's 7 million it's not likely Avs will accrue any cap space this season. Or I could be completely off.


ACSL is really difficult to calculate from the outside with Landeskog being on LTIR from the start of the season and Francouz/Lehkonen going on later. We would need more than just a daily cap calculator; we'd need more details from the NHL. In theory they could be doing it. So if the Tatar move isn't offset by another immediately then this is a "tell" that they might be accruing for the TDL.
 
Répondre
To create a post please Login or S'inscrire
Question:
Options:
Chargement de l'animation
Soumettre les modifications du sondage