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Forum: NHLHier à 18 h 57
Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>The following players have been placed on waivers, on the purpose of assignment:
Buffalo - G Devin Cooley
Buffalo - C Justin Richards
Buffalo - G Dustin Tokarski
Edmonton - LW Drake Caggiula
Edmonton - C Greg McKegg
Montréal - D Nicolas Beaudin
Montréal - C Lucas Condotta
Montréal - D Brady Keeper
Montréal - C Mitchell Stephens
Nashville - C Anthony Angello
Nashville - D Kevin Gravel
Nashville - G Troy Grosenick
Nashville - D Jordan Gross
NY Rangers - C Jake Leschyshyn
Ottawa - RW Josh Currie
Ottawa - D Dillon Heatherington
Ottawa - C Garrett Pilon
Ottawa - D Lassi Thomson
Vegas - C Byron Froese
Vegas - LW Mason Geertsen
Vegas - D Dysin Mayo
Vegas - C Gage Quinney
Vegas - RW Sheldon Rempal
Vegas - RW Jonas Røndbjerg</div></div>

Dysin Mayo is interesting as a right-shot defender with good size and 82 games on NHL and 301 games of AHL experience. Granted that his NHL experience would probably not have happened anywhere else but in Arizona. A team like Florida could snag him and use him until their guys get healthy on the right side. Or the Flyers if Attard/Grans are not ready.
Forum: NHLHier à 17 h 40
Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>I think it comes down to the scarcity of the position Smith plays compared to Martin and how clubs value that kind of depth.

Every NHL club has a 7th defender. Smith falls into that poor #6 to good #7 range. How large of a gap is there between him and every other team's #7? What about their #6? One could have made a case that Arizona and Chicago probably should have put a claim in on Smith, but by all accounts, the Blackhawks are damned to test all internal solutions before looking outwards this year.

Most NHL teams have a #3 goaltender that they can hold some faith in should an injury occur and they need someone to man the fort for half a dozen games, but not every club. Likewise, goaltending is a very cerebral position (they're weird for a reason) and we've seen first hand with Vancouver and DiPietro what happens when a prospect gets rushed into a role they're wholly unprepared for. His career wasn't ruined per se, but he's taking the long way to breaking into the NHL full-time due to repeated rounds of shelling at the NHL level.

Having that #3 to insulate the up-and-coming prospects and build towards a long AHL playoff run is really good for prospect development.</div></div>

Oh I get it, it's just that the narrative on here that "he absolutely gets claimed" because he has POTENTIAL is nowhere near the reality of where NHL teams are. They need "NHL Defensemen" today in order to claim someone on waivers; and they have to be relatively certain that the new guy is better than the guy they are demoting; otherwise there is too much risk involved.

Ty Smith and Ryan Merkley types have really good talent in certains areas, but overall are just not ready for the NHL so they will clear waivers unless an NHL team has a well timed injury.
Forum: NHL24 sept. à 23 h 59
Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Got a question for yall. Would you give Willy 10m if you already had 3 other players in double digits (So making 10m+) or would you try and trade him/let him walk if he would not budge from his ask.</div></div>

100% I would; if they go get a top RD and Goalie in UFA next year (or at TDL) and stop spending money on more wingers.

Nylander is one of their best playoff performers and the team would look hollow if he left.

Next year's UFA class is looking pretty thin at C and RW (which is why Nylander can drive up his price). How do they even come close to plug that hole? Sam Reinhart is the only one under 30 that is close and he'll probably want $8 mil + at least. Sure they can spend big on 40-year old Pavelski, 34-year old Stamkos, or maybe 30-year old Chandler Stephenson; but no way those guys can deliver an appreciable greater chance at the cup than Nylander.

None of the Leafs forward prospects are going to be close to NHL top-6 in the next 2 seasons (outside of Knies, of course).

They already will have other major roster holes at RD to fill with Brodie and Klingberg UFA; Samsonov in Net; Giordano (leadership); and decisions on Bertuzzi/Domi to re-up and all that with Marner/Tavares contracts up the following year.

Liljegren will be RFA so will probably get a couple million $ raise.

If the Leafs want to compete in their Matthews window it's not Nylander that needs to go.

They could offer him $10 mil AAV range and still could offer $6 million each to a RD (Pesce?) and a Goalie (If not Samsonov then maybe Hellebuyck?) and about $3-4 million for a 2nd line RW.

But that would require having the discipline to not extend Bertuzzi/Domi/Brodie/Klingberg (short-term pain for long-term gain).

The following year the Leafs would have the cap increase ($5 million or more) and Marner and Tavares' contracts up and then they can deal with the 2 high-dollar UFA's that REALLY are the cause of the cap-crunch/playoff pushover issue that the Leafs have.
Forum: NHL17 sept. à 12 h 18
Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LeafsForLife</b></div><div>Thanks for the info. In that case, I think if the player was uncomfortable with the request, he should’ve told Babcock no. If the player complied, or said no and Babcock backed off, but complained to the media, I think that the player would be in the wrong. However, if the player said no, but Babcock insisted, I think the player has a leg to stand on. I still think it was blown way out of proportion though, what about you?</div></div>

Without all the facts it's a tough call to make. These kids are alone in the room with their new head coach. The power-dynamic is completely shifted in favor of the coach. If the sharing of photos with Jenner (a 30-year old NHL "legacy" player with 11 years experience, team captain, NHLPA team representative, and a member of the NHLPA Executive Board) came up naturally in conversation it was as close of between "peers" in power dynamics that you can find. Perhaps Jenner felt that sharing his phone photos impromptu IS a testament to what type of "man he is" and agrees with that philosophy.

If after that, Babcock was emboldened with the idea and then basically went down the line with all the players including young players that are fighting for a roster spot under new coach, new system. Perhaps a 19 year old from a less than privileged family, or a foreign country, does not feel the same at all. The power dynamic is not the same thing anymore. They NEED the coach to like them so they get playing time. Perhaps one of them has photos that he absolutely DOES NOT want to share. If Babcock tells him: "C'mon everyone is doing this to prove what type of man you are; even your captain says so" this is basically a threat to another player. This could be a type of hazing.

If all of it was innocent and above board, the players should have been told in advance. The Coach wants you all to meet with him and get to know each other; he would like for you to share with him any photos of family, friends, vacations, hobbies, pets, etc to get to know you better and he'll do the same; please be prepared in advance.

Doing it the way it was done COULD have been the recipe for disaster.

We don't know the facts, but I know my 19 and 21 year old nieces and nephews might agree to it and then regret it later or feel that it was a violation; but felt powerless to refuse at the time.
Forum: NHL16 sept. à 14 h 31
Sujet: 2023 NHL Offseason Discussion Thread #4 - The quiet period
Avs are reporting that backup goalie Pavel Francouz will miss time due to slower than expected recovery from off-season surgery.

Either Justus Annunen gets the backup job or the Avs hit the waiver wire (which will have some pretty good options: Reimer/Lyon (Detroit), or possibly, Stolarz, Martin Jones, Rittich, Hellberg, Stalock).

There are some cheap trade options such as: Casey DeSmith (Montreal) and Eric Comrie (Buffalo) but they both have $1.8m AAV x 1 year deals and if/when Francouz is healthy the Avs would have not have cap space (even buried); same goes for Dan Vladar but he has a longer deal so doubly so ($2.2m x 2). UFA options are Jaroslav Halak and Brian Elliott as the "best" available.

Of all the options I would prefer a trade with Montreal for DeSmith if they would retain 50% of his salary (or a least $800k so we can bury him in AHL if needed later in the year). If the Habs waive him and we pick him up then we'll be over the cap when Frankie returns.

I also like some of Ottawa's depth at goalie: Mandolese and Søgaard but they are both waiver exempt so no pressure on the Sens to move one of them.
Forum: NHL Signings16 sept. à 12 h 45
Sujet: Colorado Avalanche signed Tomas Tatar (1 Year / $1,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian2016</b></div><div>Olofsson had more Goals than Drouin had Assists last season! I agree that they're both one-dimensional, but Drouin is bad at his dimension (playmaking) and Olafsson is good. That's a weak comparison. Drouin does nothing well.</div></div>

I think I'll err on the side of what Nathan MacKinnon and GM Chris MacFarland thinks over your opinion.

“I believe, obviously, that Drouin’s skill set will definitely play well with our other skilled players,” MacFarland said. “So, I can easily envision him getting looks with Nathan, (Ryan) Johansen or whoever (coach Jared Bednar) wants to see in the top six. (Drouin) is going to have to earn that ice time to stay there. … His hands and his ability to make plays is certainly not in question.”
Forum: NHL15 sept. à 10 h 38
Sujet: Future Eastern Conference Power Ranking
To me it starts with "the spine" of the teams; Centers, Blueliners, Goalies.

Florida and Carolina are younger (at least their high-end talent is) than most people realize.

Canes-Devils over the next several years is going to be really fun; if Kochetkov and Schmid are legit then it could be a long window for both teams.
Sabres are right behind them, just a couple years in development behind so they need to get over the hump this year/next with Levi or UPL finally.

Panthers it's all about Spencer Knight and if he can return as a bluechip goalie prospect and they can somehow manage the Bobrovsky contract.
Lightning also have enough talent in the mid 20 age range to still be a "gatekeeper" team for the top 5 by then; depending upon Vasi's status then; especially if Perbix/Raddysh take another step.

Agreed on Red Wings they are not really deep in the high-end talent pool (especially "the spine") as the pundits make it seem; they have a few pieces but a lot of mid.

Canadiens would be my darkhorse for a return to contention in 3-4 years; I would rate them over the Red Wings for sure. They have a Phoenix in the ashes kinda vibe if we are looking that far ahead.
Forum: NHL Signings15 sept. à 9 h 1
Sujet: Colorado Avalanche signed Tomas Tatar (1 Year / $1,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Brian2016</b></div><div>"Drouin is one of the worst players in the NHL. He has been for years. The thought of him playing top 6 minutes on an elite team is pretty wild."

Who is worse?</div></div>

Any of the several hundred if not thousand players who cleared waivers during the time span you refer to or were 4th liners/healthy scratches.

For just Forwards:
Milan Lucic
Denis Gurianov
Jordan Greenway
Mathieu Joseph
Jeff Carter
Brock McGinn
James Neal
Mikael Granlund
Mike Hoffman
Pius Suter
Anthony Beauvillier
Andreas Athanasiou (probably a push)
Nick Foligno
Corey Perry
Jason Dickinson
Craig Smith
Jakub Vrana
Kasperi Kapanen
Sean Kuraly
Josh Bailey
Anthony Mantha
Robby Fabbri
Joel Armia
I'd say Douin is close to the "assist version" of Victor Olofsson so par with him.