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Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsmer. à 17 h 47
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafslun. à 21 h 4
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
Blaming Marner for that Pastrnak goal is crazy, that lands on Benoits shoulders.

Marner is a great player whose given a short leash. He's either forced to be Matthews' personal assistant or carry the load of Tavares and Knies. Under another coaches system, Marner would pot 40 goals.

If we were to trade him (which would be a huge mistake), I actually don't hate <a href="/users/Random2152" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@Random2152</a> 's idea. I'd love to get Doan out of Arizona / Utah, big fan of that kid. I think Crouse would be an unmitigated disaster under Keefe though, he seems to struggle with players like that. Unless you are a low maintenance speedy 2 way winger, you won't find success under Keefe. He completely fails to utilize those wildcard players to their strengths. The only teams that make sense for Marner IMO are New Jersey and Utah. Again though, I'd be crushed to see him dealt
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsdim. à 13 h 47
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Its not stupid its smart

Goalies are unpredictable and spending a lot of assets on them is meaningless

VGK won a cup with their #3

What if we spend 1st + Minten +++ and Saros does not improve his numbers or get us further

We just wasted a good chunk for nothing.

Smart move is improve the Dcore get a tandem guy and allow Woll to grow. We keep the assets and dont have to go gambling at the Casino.</div></div>

When is the last time a team won a Cup with a tandem? Addressing goaltending by proxy is a horrible idea, it's the one position you can't cheat. Also, we would be "gambling at the casino" way harder if we do what you suggest rather than just acquiring a top goalie...
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsdim. à 13 h 42
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Sorokin, Shesterkin, Hellebuyck all are better

Heck a healthy Vasilevskiy is better and you can start to push Demko into the convo for top 5

But as said before spending assets on a goalie is nonsense. We have seen good goalies go bad and bad goalies go good. Look at Murray once was one of the best now he may be a #3 come 2024. Binnington after the cup = Bad till recently, Bobrosky for FLA was so bad at one point they were wondering how to dump that 10m. Last thing TOR needs is to spend on someone who could have a miserable season then hurt us

Want a goalie look at FA or develop one. As Avs and VGK showed you dont need elite goaltending to win.</div></div>

Not making a move for a guy like Saros because he could maybe be bad would be stupid. You can apply this logic to every trade ever made. You keep saying "he could be bad", but what if he's good? It's far more likely Saros would be good for the Leafs than him being bad.

The criticisms you put against Saros are the exact same things people said about Colorado getting Kuemper, and then Colorado won the Cup. I'd rather spend assets to get a goalie I know is elite rather than roll the dice on a goalie in an extremely weak free agency class. That's just wasting your cores prime years. Developing a goalie is off the table, Leafs want to win now and it takes SO long for Goalies to grow into starters. Colorado is a perfect example that you DO need elite goaltending to win, look at Georgiev this year. When they won the Cup, their goalie was a Vezina finalist. Adin Hill is a great goalie and followed up his Cup winning run with a Vezina caliber season.

Saros is second in wins by a goalie over the last 3 seasons. He's got more wins than Vasi and Helle, and only has 3 less than Shesterkin. Can you honestly look at the Preds over the last 3 years and say that they have had better teams than the Lightning, Jets, or Rangers? Saros is literally the reason for their success. If you honestly think trading for him is a bad idea, then you don't want this team to win.
Forum: Toronto Maple Leafsdim. à 13 h 24
Sujet: Leafs 2023 2024 Season Discussion Part 6 - Nearly Playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Goalie's are silly geese and its why I am so hesitant to spend any kind of assets on one

We have seen guys go from awful to amazing and from amazing to awful

Saros numbers have been consistent but his size and other factors just make it to where its to risky to go spend 1st +++ on him

As lets say Brad goes **** it spends it Saros first season with TOR 50 gp 3.00 GAA and a 0.900SV

That aint good lul.

The goalie market aint crazy this year but going and getting Stolarz or Talbot aint a bad idea

But yea Saros being here would not change the outcome of that game

Maybe he stops one of the PP goals but yea its still 4-1 lul

Everyone top to bottom needs to play better and not take stupid penalties. Oh Matthews line was good no no they werent. If any top line took 4 penalties in a game in which 3 were in the offensive zone and 2 lead to goals what you thinks gonna happen</div></div>

Saros is a top 3 goalie in this league. If there's ever a scenario where the Leafs can go out and get him, you push HARD for him. He singled handedly clawed the Preds into the playoffs a few seasons ago.