I forget, did Kyle sign these deals:
Marleau
Zaitsev

I’ll stop, I can this is Treliving safe space now

Not trying to justify the Monahan deal (because it was horrible), I just didn't realise the 2 were so similar haha. Also, the Monahan deal wasn't so bad before he got derailed from injuries

I just dont want to dunk on Brad too hard because hockey is a team sport from top to bottom. His mistakes dont fall solely on his shoulders. Obviously Im hoping for the best, but I am bummed we didnt go the Tulsky route. I do find some solace in the fact we still have Pridham kicking about

He never had a chance, this was Brad’s job from day 1.



"The Treliving, Tannenbaum friendship is very mighty"
Go to 135:32

The pull is strong here


We didn’t pick the best candidate is where my anger is coming from

Tree and Pridham will combine 2 aspects that should work really well together

I really like the setup. Tree will walk into a solid management group and will be like man CGY didn't have guys like these

As basically all he's got to do is extensions,some signings, consider trades, and figure out if he wants to keep Keefe or not

I’m actually curious, what makes you think Pridham stays? Or even Ryan Hardy, Darryl Metcalf and Hayley Wickenheiser were all close to Dubas and relatively short on front-office experience when promoted into their roles as part of an unorthodox front-office setup that had so many AGMs in different roles.
Treviling is likely to opt for a more traditional structure — and to bring in several of his own people.

There’s no guarantee the Treviling will see the value and share the vision of 3-tier development system like Dubas did.

I’ll be curious to see over time how much this changes

The big reason Shanahan hired Pridham and he's been here through 3Gms (Noni's, Lou,Dubas) I got a feeling Shanny gonna ensure he stays. To me Tree and Pridham gonna be like Waddell and Tulsky and once Tree sees Pridhams magic numbers we good

Tree might honestly like how things are being run and not touch a thing except maybe the HC or at some point with maybe one assistant. As we have seen other GMs do that with the exception of a few of the old schools who want their own recenly fired guys (Rutherford). If he wants new people or to replace people got to run it through Shanahan and with things are now I don't think Shanny interested in hiring anyone whose not needed rn or firing to make room for said individuals. Besides I don't see Charron and Snow leaving CGY rn especially with Conroy as GM and those were the main tree guys he hired but hey if he brought in David Johnson for analytics would not be against it had some cool data hockey sites. Or heck maybe he hired Gio once he retires as a special assistant to an assistant. And also lot of those hires he made in CGY could have been influenced by their president Maloney and CGY Sports and Entertainment who knows.

Anyway, it seems as though Shanahan is really pulling strings. I'd like to see him more often being the face of the franchise if that is how it's working out - In a similar vein to Masai and Webster

I’m not at all convinced that’s true. Dubas was clearly in charge as far as I’m concerned if you look at his moves (bringing in Soo guys, etc).

And even if it is true, then that would mean we can’t just take all the bad things “Dubas did” and dump on Shanny for them without giving him credit for the good things too. If Shanny was really pulling the strings, then why is Dubas getting all the credit and Shanny getting dumped on?

Not trying to take it out on you specifically here but I’m just a bit annoyed at this narrative.

I think you misunderstand me.
I'm talking in the future. There was a very clear power struggle, and it seems that Shanny won out. As he is the most powerful voice in the leafs right now, I'd like to see him being the face of them

I will try my best to reserve my judgement on Brad till I see what he can do but for the love of god if all that changes next year is Dubas out, Keefe still in is a massive L

Fair enough, yes it seems I was misunderstanding you.

I mean, sure I guess. I don’t think he’s the one that will be actually making the moves but he has some influence to some degree. So sure, we can make him more the face of the franchise.

I think Tre is more the worker to Shanahans architect. As such Shanny should be the one on a more receiving end of any criticism of the team direction

Fair enough, especially if the rumour about Shanny calling the core 4 and saying none of them are leaving is true.

FML

I feel that was just to make it harder to pry them away. Like if reports came out he called and said one of yalls being moved teams would know oh hey he wants to move these guys lets lowball

Now its like oh wait he doesnt want to move them lets send an offer they almost cant refuse. Basically pry them away from the team

As in the end if someone calls and offers a Horvat like PKG for Nylander take it and run

Over / Under 1 media chirp at tomorrows press conference.

I'm taking the over

Man I think the Leafs are screwed with Treliving.

Hello darkness my old friend...

My first order of business steal Lindholm and Hanafin from CGY

BLASPHAMY

Couple things of note:

- Brad Treliving was not fired as many people tend to think. He and the ownership group mutually parted ways, with him supposedly leaving because he could not work with Sutter any longer
- Tkachuk had nothing but praise for Treliving
- Treliving is a very respected individual in the hockey world and is praised for his work ethic, compassion, and bluntness



This article from Luke Fox is a good read. This part in particular stood out:

"We can tell you that even before signing up his multi-year pact with the Maple Leafs, a contract that should extend Shanahan’s own current deal, Treliving reached out to Auston Matthews’ camp to open the lines of communication with the franchise’s brightest star. Treliving and Matthews’ agent, Judd Moldaver, have a good working relationship, just as Moldaver and Dubas did."

Lets be real he signs Matthews to a 12-15 mill x 6-8 year extension and trades Nylander for a similar Package to Horvat people will be chanting his name on the streets

I think hes got a nice offseason ahead of him and besides the extensions first order of Buisness

Bring Schenn and Acciari back and sign Bertuzzi

Its official. I want to collect some of my thoughts here. When Dubas was first fired, I was obviously upset. This is a guy that dragged us out of some pretty bad times and set us up for some pretty nice success. Obviously he had his shortcomings, but so do all other GMs. After he was let go and Treliving's name came up, I was honestly in disbelief. Personally, I wanted someone like Tulsky or Darche who have track records of some success and find a ton of value in the guys they prioritize. I wanted someone that was definitively a better GM than Kyle to justifying the firing. My issue with Treliving was that he is very similar to Kyle in many regards, and hiring him feels like a lateral move.

Now that the dust has settled, I am fine with a lateral move. The more I look into Treliving, the more I like him. He is a very safe option for GM and I think he can piece together a pretty good team. I think he and Kyle are much more similar than people give him credit for, and I'm excited to see what he cooks up. Welcome to Toronto Brad, best of luck in your new role.

And as always, Go Leafs

I’m genuinely curious why so many leafs fans treat Kyle Dubas as this God tier GM and also hate on Treliving. To me Treliving is not much of a downgrade (if at all), and it might be nice to have a new guy to manage the team. Because while I really do like Dubas a lot and I thought he was a good GM, it wasn’t working with him. Something had to give. And Treliving was the best option out there that had experience.

We should have tried to steal Nill.

In short, I didn't want to see the Leafs take a gamble ahead of such a crucial offseason, but they did. All we can do know is hope that it doesn't blow up in our face