Goalie Overlode

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Créé par: Random2152

Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto

Date de création initiale: 10 avr. 2023

Publié: 10 avr. 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Okay I should explain because I already know people will get angry at some of these valuations - but I am 100% serious about everything here.

Firstly; Goalies rarely return much. Every time a goalie gets moved it always shocks people for how little it ends up being and they never learn. A 1st plus an NHL ready goalie prospect (check the stats) is reasonable enough to be competitive with other suitors.

Secondly; Tanev is a rental. If you think he is bringing in some dragon haul you're likely to be disappointed. Liljegren is insane value for what your giving up, which is why you're taking Murray's contract (worth a 3rd from TOR or so) and sending us an underutilised forward. Frankly I think you'd come out on top of this trade and think CGY would be adding a relatively high pick but I just know how CF loves to devalue Leafs.
Anyway Andersson-Liljegren as a 1-2 RD would be insane for the next 5-10 years

Why do I want 2 goalies? IDK why not. Its just a random idea to see if we can get 2 young guys and 'rehab' Hart a bit from that mess in Philly.
Moving Lily only makes sense if Keefe is going to do the old coach thing of not trusting the kids to play 2nd pair mins. Thats pretty much the reason

If you don't read the desc and comment something already answered by it I reserve the right to make fun of you

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Holmberg, Pontus		2	1 150 000 $
Samsonov, Ilya		3	4 000 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
O'Reilly, Ryan	3	3 500 000 $
Schenn, Luke	2	1 000 000 $
Acciari, Noel	2	1 500 000 $

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Hart, Carter

PHI

Woll, Joseph
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BOS)

TOR

CGY

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	79 565 450 $	0 $	0 $	3 934 550 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Järnkrok, Calle 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AD, C, AG M-NTC UFA - 3	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 2
Ruzicka, Adam 762 500 $762 500 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 2	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD NMC UFA - 1
Robertson, Nicholas 796 667 $796 667 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	O'Reilly, Ryan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ C UFA - 4	Acciari, Noel 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3
McMann, Bobby 762 500 $762 500 $ AD, AG UFA - 1	Holmberg, Pontus 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ C, AG RFA - 2	Lafferty, Sam 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ AD, C, AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
McCabe, Jake 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Brodie, TJ 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Samsonov, Ilya 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Rielly, Morgan 7 500 000 $7 500 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 7	Tanev, Christopher 1 125 000 $1 125 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Hart, Carter 3 979 000 $3 979 000 $ G RFA - 1
Giordano, Mark 800 000 $800 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Timmins, Conor 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ DD RFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Steeves, Alex 834 167 $834 167 $ AG, AD RFA - 1		Muzzin, Jake 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1
Schenn, Luke 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD UFA - 3

Équipe de réserve
Knies, Matthew 925 000 $925 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, AD RFA - 2

10 avr. 2023 à 4 h 31

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Flames pass. Personally i view Liljegren and Ruzicka as pretty close to a wash. Even if bot the difference between Tanev's contract and Murray's drastically swings this in Toronto's favor.

10 avr. 2023 à 5 h 3

Random2152

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Personally i view Liljegren and Ruzicka as pretty close to a wash

You've had some Takes™ but that is an all time bad one

10 avr. 2023 à 5 h 17

Roperttos

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Philly declines

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10 avr. 2023 à 5 h 22

Random2152

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Philly declines

10 avr. 2023 à 6 h 18

Ledge_And_Dairy

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Modifié 10 avr. 2023 à 6 h 28

Quoting: Random2152

You've had some Takes™ but that is an all time bad one

What part is bad? If you disagreed with me so much you wouldn't have Ruzicka in your top 6 over Robertson, ROR or Knies. Regardless of Sutter's lineup decisions the fact remains that when given the chance Ruzicka still put up 20 points in less than 30 games in the top 6.

As for the other part. Matt Murray is 1) overpaid, 2) injury, prone, 3) blocking Dustin Wolf even more, and 4) close to if not negative value unlike Tanev

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10 avr. 2023 à 8 h 1

jaok3

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Don't see the leafs trading Woll under contract for 2 years and making 1/3 of what Hart makes. Woll has played great so far and besides a injury setback early in his career has been a very good goal. He probably is the best goalie in the AHL at this time.

10 avr. 2023 à 8 h 58

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Flames pass. Personally i view Liljegren and Ruzicka as pretty close to a wash. Even if bot the difference between Tanev's contract and Murray's drastically swings this in Toronto's favor.

Once again your hatred of TO shines so so bright

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10 avr. 2023 à 9 h 28

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No chance Leafs move Lili

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10 avr. 2023 à 11 h 45

Trickster

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Some wild ideas of trading Liljergen and Woll.

I can't lie, I like those two.
I gotta ask, why are interested in moving them?

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10 avr. 2023 à 16 h 10

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Quoting: Trickster

Some wild ideas of trading Liljergen and Woll.

I can't lie, I like those two.
I gotta ask, why are interested in moving them?

How goes it? It's been a while... How's @onex been?

My thoughts exactly, however, he did answer why he's moving Lilly in this instance (this would be based on Keefe not trusting him in the playoffs).

There was a time when I would have been willing to give up Marner for Heart but now his value is at an all time low and in this instance we are giving up too much for him. I also, wouldn't bring him to Toronto at this point because I don't think he'd be able to handle the pressure if/when things go bad.

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 7

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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000

How goes it? It's been a while... How's onex been?

My thoughts exactly, however, he did answer why he's moving Lilly in this instance (this would be based on Keefe not trusting him in the playoffs).

There was a time when I would have been willing to give up Marner for Heart but now his value is at an all time low and in this instance we are giving up too much for him. I also, wouldn't bring him to Toronto at this point because I don't think he'd be able to handle the pressure if/when things go bad.

Yo!
Great to see you posting again. I'm okay, nervous about the Leafs again for the playoffs but what else is new LoL.

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 10

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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy

Guys play in spots where they fit, has nothing to do with talent level. Come on man dont be ridiculous. Thats embarassing that you and two others need this spelt out.

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 11

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Quoting: Trickster

Some wild ideas of trading Liljergen and Woll.

I can't lie, I like those two.
I gotta ask, why are interested in moving them?

See desc

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 22

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Quoting: oneX

Yo!
Great to see you posting again. I'm okay, nervous about the Leafs again for the playoffs but what else is new LoL.

Same, always enjoy taking with you and @Trickster and his ACGM'S. Kinda stopped coming on here because it's not worth trying to rationalize with unrational ppl who undervalue leafs players because of the team and fanbase they represent.

Same here but less so than in recent years because if we can't make it out of the 1st round again change is needed.

What's with everyone trading Matthew's? Last I heard him talk about signing here before the season started he said he couldn't sign at the time and he liked being a leaf. Did I miss something or is this because of the Tkachuk situation?

I'm more nervous about the Blue Jay's pitching than the leafs in the playoffs lol

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 23

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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000

Also you may want to check out the Leafs forum. There's some interesting discussions that take place on roster decisions etc.

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 31

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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000

Same, always enjoy taking with you and Trickster and his ACGM'S. Kinda stopped coming on here because it's not worth trying to rationalize with unrational ppl who undervalue leafs players because of the team and fanbase they represent.

Same here but less so than in recent years because if we can't make it out of the 1st round again change is needed.

What's with everyone trading Matthew's? Last I heard him talk about signing here before the season started he said he couldn't sign at the time and he liked being a leaf. Did I miss something or is this because of the Tkachuk situation?

I'm more nervous about the Blue Jay's pitching than the leafs in the playoffs lol

The Matthews trades are mostly people of other fan bases hate posting ACGM's to make the Leafs worse in future years.

I'm not claiming AM34 stays or goes but I'm also realistic about where he may go if he chooses to leave Toronto. Arizona is the last place he's heading to in terms of places to play. It's a joke of an organization playing their team out a 5K seat arena, enough said.

AM34 enjoys being in the spotlight and if someone says he's headed to NYR or LA to play for either of those teams, I don't have a response to that other than good luck Auston.

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 34

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Quoting: Sign_em_up000000

Quoting: oneX

Also you may want to check out the Leafs forum. There's some interesting discussions that take place on roster decisions etc.

Yes agreed best place to just talk is the Leafs thread in the forums. Were on 5 or something now its stupid. Game day or just random thoughts. Also a prospect one but i dont frequent that so i cant tell yah much.

Dont worry about Matthews thats just hater cope and nothing more

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 42

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Quoting: oneX

Also you may want to check out the Leafs forum. There's some interesting discussions that take place on roster decisions etc.

Will do thanks!

10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 44

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Thanks I'll check it out.

That's what I figured but didn't know if I missed something. I figured it's probably because Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary and wanted to go to the states but the 2 aren't mutually exclusive.

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 56

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Tkachuk to the US was just media spin. He just wanted out from CGY

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 57

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Quoting: oneX

That's what I figured just didn't know if I missed something.

Same here but personally I think he stays. I've heard some claiming he wants to play in the spotlight as well, but last time I checked Toronto, Montreal & New York are the 3 biggest markets in the league. Also, I don't buy into taxes being an issue as its essentially balanced out by the exchange rate vs cost of living. These players have ways around paying as much taxes as most think especially if they get paid in signing bonuses.

Couldn't agree more, there's less than zero % chance he goes to zona. The OHL'S Hamilton bulldogs literally draw bigger crowds. But L.A. isn't a big market Doughty has publicly spoken about ut in TSN and Sportsnet. @oldNYIfan can speak on this better but I have to assume LA is a Lakers town first and foremost then the Dodgers then the rams/chargers then either the kings, clippers or Galaxy not sure of the order but I'd think the clippers would be the bigger draw.

If he infact won't sign though I can't see him making it to FA. Personally I can't wait until he signs in the offseason so we can put this to rest.

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10 avr. 2023 à 17 h 59

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Tkachuk to the US was just media spin. He just wanted out from CGY

Agreed, but if that's the comparasions ppl are using the cities and players are a very different situation. Personally I can't wait till he signs in the offseason so this can be put to rest.

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10 avr. 2023 à 18 h 3

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Agreed, but if that's the comparasions ppl are using the cities and players are a very different situation. Personally I can't wait till he signs in the offseason so this can be put to rest.

Theyll just move on to Nylander or Marner. Same way theyll just move on to 2nd round if we win in the first.

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10 avr. 2023 à 18 h 4

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Quoting: Random2152

Guys play in spots where they fit, has nothing to do with talent level. Come on man dont be ridiculous. Thats embarassing that you and two others need this spelt out.

You still aren't addressing the horrible swap in Murray for Tanev

10 avr. 2023 à 18 h 13

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Quoting: Random2152

Theyll just move on to Nylander or Marner. Same way theyll just move on to 2nd round if we win in the first.

Agreed, it will neever stop.

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