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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 11 heures
Forum: Fauteuil - DGil y a 17 heures
Sujet: accept
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Billy316</b></div><div>They dont have a Guhle or a Roy to offer up
I mean Rossi would only be one part of the equation
Depending on who that 2nd player is and where the pick fell ?
Possibly

Personally i like Roy who's 2 inches shorter but roughly the same Mass
Roys been training with Franky B who made his name for his Strength at 5'9
He wasnt a stranger to fights despite not liking them
He had 40 sum and not little guys in his weight class either
Still out muscled many of them which is the same way he built our 5'11 215lb Captain with Tree Trunk legs lol

Only player i like is M.Foligno but not for that term and cap for a 20-30pts player who's Tough and Nails and a solid Playoff type guy.
But 4m x 4 years with 2 years NMC is a hard sell

Not saying MIN doesnt have high end skill , you do
Its just all pieces you cant part with</div></div>

Pretty sure they have Heidt and Ohgren who would be your Roy comparable. As for Guhle, the closest they have is Faber but I wouldn't trade Faber for Guhle and WPG's 1st. That's not a knock at Guhle, I just think Faber is going to be as good as Slavin
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 6 h 51
Sujet: Back at it
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>deez</b></div><div>Every time someone tries to put together a competitive Flames team for next year the tank merchants start crying that we would never make those moves. The fun part is experimenting with different paths forward. If you need it broken down:

Trade Vladar to open a spot for Wolf. Return and destination is not important.
Trade Mang to open a spot for another player. If you think he is worth more than a third pretend it was a second cause if I had the return as a second someone would be crying that he isnt worth that much at his cap hit.
Hague is big physical defender that could be a good player for the Flames for a long time still. Maybe Conroy values that more than our supposed top prospect after an underwhelming first pro season. Not to write him off, you are getting a proven NHL player in return that doesnt come free. Vegas has crowded blueline and needs money out. Maybe it doesnt take Coronato but the point is to acquire Hague.
Notice Hanley was traded for a 7th round pick. The point is get rid of him to open space. Waivers, whatever.
Stephenson could value playing close to home, choosing a retooling Flames team. If the contract is off slightly whatever, it is more about the player.
Beauvillier has been playing bottom 6 for awhile. This is about adding a vet to the bottom 6 at a reasonable cap hit.

Back to you Craig.</div></div>

I am not all for tanking. I am all for doing this retool right, no shortcuts and no long term expensive deals to 30 year old secondary players. The fact of the matter is that Calgary is in dire need of a 1C and/or elite talent. I also think it would be foolish to just try and guarantee Montreal gets our 1st next season by finishing ~15th

Trading Vladar if Markstrom isn't moved is obvious, Ottawa is just also not the location. Vladar had a **** season, that was most likely due to lack of reps but the injury also probably had some say. But basically his value is borderline negative right now. We are much better off trying to move Markstrom since the market for top goalies seems to be hot going into this summer.
Mange at 5.8M is going to be hard to move, the winger market is flooded this summer so unless we are retaining 50% there aren't going to be any bites. If you want to open a spot sell high on Sharangovich, they are basically the same player with the same amount of term.
I like Hague a lot but I also think it is highly unlikely Vegas moves him, he's young, he fits their MO, and he's cheap. Vegas is going to let Martinez walk this summer and probably McNabb the year after. If they were to move any defenseman it will be Whitecloud (unlikely) or Korczak (probable). As for the value, it's just too much. If Hague was 22/23 like Romanov was when the Habs traded 13th OA for him then sure but expecting Coronato to just become a 1st line winger right away was never really realistic, and the Flames are already full of middle 6 wingers already. I think we shelter him and Pelletier next year then they replace Kuzmenko and Mangiapane respectively.
Hanley is whatever, not worth discussing
Center market is always hot, and with the rising cap Stephenson will be in high demand this summer. 2 years ago New York got Trocheck for 7 years at 5.6M (or 6.82% of the cap). You can expect a similar basis for Stephenson this summer, which is ~5.98M. He is also not the solution for Calgary, he is more of the same.
Beauvillier is going to be looking to redeem himself, he was playing top 6 in New York, he was 1st line in Vancouver last year and then was middle 6 in Chicago. Expect him to sign a dirt cheap prove-it deal with a team like Vegas, Dallas, Florida, or something. He isn't going to be looking for a 4th line job on what is frankly a bubble team