most likely No Letang but Geno takes a discount

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Équipe: 2022-23 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 23 déc. 2021

Publié: 23 déc. 2021

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I think the most likely scenario is for next year......

there have been very few rumours but those that have surfaced....
Geno would be willing to take short term and a discount (I heard neighbourhood of $6M)
Letang thinks he can play forever and wants another big cheque (at least $8M/4 yrs)
Extention talks with Rust went no where and he wouldn't settle for $4-5M

all this leads me to think out of 71/58/17 only Geno stays....
i hope that doesn't happen but at the same time I do not feel comfortable giving Letang $8M+ and Rusty $6M+ with any more than 3 years on either...

i wish offer sheets were more prevalent, but even if a GM were to do a Kotkaniemi 2.0, it would not be Hextall...
I'm going for low risk under the radar moves bc I feel that's what Hextall would do...
but with a ton of $ available and Letang/Rust walking to FA, he will have to make a splash in FA or he will lose the fanbase...
also looking to keep/add truculence for Burkie...

notes:
also we can't count on any major improvements in young players or prospects so no Poulin/Legare with Sid or Marino as the #1RHD...for example...
i feel like a mini retool will occur as Hextall will change out some of the Rutherford players for his preferences....Ruhwedel out in favour of Friedman as the #7D for example...
i think Dumoulin, rust, zucker, pettersson are prime candidates to be replaced as as Rutherford guys with bigger contracts...

now with that in mind....to the ACGM...

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Friedman, Mark	1	750 000 $
Heinen, Danton	1	2 200 000 $
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier	3	925 000 $
Kapanen, Kasperi	2	3 250 000 $
O'Connor, Drew	2	900 000 $
Crouse, Lawson	3	1 750 000 $
Yamamoto, Kailer	3	2 750 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Malkin, Evgeni	1	6 000 000 $
Domingue, Louis	1	800 000 $
DeSmith, Casey	1	1 000 000 $
Simon, Dominik	1	750 000 $
Aston-Reese, Zach	2	2 000 000 $
Rodrigues, Evan	2	3 000 000 $
Trocheck, Vincent	6	6 000 000 $
Pysyk, Mark	1	900 000 $
Zadorov, Nikita	4	3 500 000 $
Maroon, Patrick	1	900 000 $
Elliott, Brian	1	800 000 $

CRÉÉ		ANS	CAP HIT
Miller, Colin		4	4 000 000 $
Domi, Max		3	4 250 000 $

Transactions

PIT

Hartman, Ryan
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (MIN)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (MIN)

Détails additionnels:

guerin gets one of his guys...

MIN

Pettersson, Marcus

Détails additionnels:

pettersson having a great rebound year to regain his top-4 status...
look at his advanced metrics he's solid defensively...

PIT

Yamamoto, Kailer [Droits de RFA]

EDM

Hållander, Filip
Kapanen, Kasperi
Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (PIT)

PIT

LAK

Dumoulin, Brian
Poulin, Samuel
Zucker, Jason
Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (PIT)

PIT

Chychrun, Jakob
Crouse, Lawson [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (VAN)

Détails additionnels:

the worst of their 2nd round picks in 2022

ARI

Détails additionnels:

i do not want to trade guentzlel
but that will be the first name out of ARI's mouth if we ask for chychrun...

Rachats de contrats

Jack Johnson: 1 916 667 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

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INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	82 500 000 $	79 791 667 $	0 $	0 $	2 708 333 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Rodrigues, Evan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 1	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Yamamoto, Kailer 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AD RFA - 2
Heinen, Danton 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Malkin, Evgeni 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C UFA - 4	Arvidsson, Viktor 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Domi, Max 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $	Trocheck, Vincent 6 000 000 $6 000 000 $ C, AD UFA - 7	Hartman, Ryan 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2
McGinn, Brock 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 3	Blueger, Teddy 2 200 000 $2 200 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Aston-Reese, Zach 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Chychrun, Jakob 4 600 000 $4 600 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Marino, John 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD UFA - 5	Jarry, Tristan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ G UFA - 1
Zadorov, Nikita 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2	Miller, Colin 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $	DeSmith, Casey 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ G UFA - 2
Matheson, Michael 4 875 000 $4 875 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 4	Walker, Sean 2 650 000 $2 650 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Crouse, Lawson 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5
Pysyk, Mark 900 000 $900 000 $ DD UFA - 1
Maroon, Patrick 900 000 $900 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2

Équipe de réserve
Simon, Dominik 750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD, AG UFA
Friedman, Mark 750 000 $750 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG/DD UFA - 2
Domingue, Louis 800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G UFA - 2
Elliott, Brian 800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G UFA - 1

Who stays?

23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 19

Pens3lieve

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Pens fans give me your thoughts on the trade values and who you'd want to see Hextall/Burke bring in...
also vote in the poll who (Geno/Tanger/Rusty) stays, who goes?

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23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 22

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@pensfan21 @Penguins_Legend_Sheary @GuentzelvaniaUSA
your thoughts?

23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 25

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not a lot of these trades make sense.....I think these moves pull them closer to a lottery team than a playoffs team

23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 26

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Quoting: Capitalfail67

not a lot of these trades make sense.....I think these moves pull them closer to a lottery team than a playoffs team

for the pens or the opposition? values off?

23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 27

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I think you can get Chych with Peterson,POJ, 1st, 2nd

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23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 28

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Quoting: NYR1983

I think you can get Chych with Peterson,POJ, 1st, 2nd

bet.
i'd do that...then freak out in a coupe years when Chych gets hurt and POJ is a #1 lol

23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 33

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Quoting: Pens3lieve

bet.
i'd do that...then freak out in a coupe years when Chych gets hurt and POJ is a #1 lol

In a couple years the core will be past the point of contending and all the playoff runs will be worth it

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23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 34

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Quoting: Capitalfail67

not a lot of these trades make sense.....I think these moves pull them closer to a lottery team than a playoffs team

Agreed here. These are just odd trades that take back far less than they're sending.

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23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 38

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Quoting: Pens3lieve

for the pens or the opposition? values off?

Yama isnt very good or hasnt played well. he had a break out season 2 years ago and has been fairly lackluster since. Kap is the better player so idk why you would pay and downgrade.

Hartman is nearly a ppg player and his cap hit is amazing. i dont see MP being able to fetch him / i dont see how the wild could afford the cap difference

the LA trade to me is confusing but ill explain

ARVIDSSON is better than Zucker
BD is really good but underrated bc he doesnt score a ton of points... Walker isnt bad but not BD here we go

Guentzel replaced by Yamamoto major loss
Kapanen replaced by ARVIDSSON lateral
Dumo replaced by Chychrun worth it but to achieve this trade you massively downgrade at wing
Zadorov and Miller money should go to Letang and keep Kap + dumo and picks/ prospects to dump Zucker

i would sign MAlkin and Tanger to extension
trade MP play POJ
use a pick / prospect to dump Zucker

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23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 42

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Agreed here. These are just odd trades that take back far less than they're sending.

i would stack draft picks and keep prospects if i was the Penguins... They are still one of the better teams in the East. I dont see and player able to take over Letangs minutes. i would keep this core and try my luck winning a cup wi them

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23 déc. 2021 à 16 h 45

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Minnesota isn't trading Ryan Hartman. This is a straight up bad deal for Minnesota. Minnesota doesn't need a d, and isn't trading their cheap good current 1c

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23 déc. 2021 à 17 h 8

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Because this is an off-season trade, we'd be exchanging two NHL veterans with two years left on their contracts who total $6.9 million in cap for two one-season rentals who are older than their opposite numbers and cost $9.6 million against the cap. Arvidsson is much more valuable to us than Zucker would be and while Dumoulin is a temporary improvement on Walker, a good left-handed-forward prospect and a third don't make up for the discrepancy. This is an easy offer for the Kings to decline.

23 déc. 2021 à 17 h 16

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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki

Agreed here. These are just odd trades that take back far less than they're sending.

???

Arvidsson = 14 points in 23 games and plays RW on one of our top two lines
Zucker = 11 points in 30 games, wouldn't play RW on any of our lines, one year older, one year less term and $1.25 million more against the cap

Wagner isn't as good as Dumoulin but is younger and signed for another year at a cheaper cap hit and fits our team better.

Poulin isn't likely to jump over any of the five left-handed forwards we already have in the system ahead of him, and that 2023 third-round pick won't hit the roster until 2026 at the earliest, if ever

23 déc. 2021 à 17 h 58

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Quoting: OldNYIfan

Poulin is a trash prospect. I'll be the first to admit that. He's not the issue I have.

Yamamoto is an interesting player, but to me he's a step down from Kap (at least at the moment) and IMO EDM should be sending more back, not the other way around.

The LA trade is IMO paying a premium to move Zucker to downgrade as a whole. I'm definitely a fan of Arvidsson, but Walker is a major step down from Dumo who's still signed to another season at a reasonable cap hit. This defense is a MAJOR step down. If Zadorov/Miller is our 2nd pair then anything we put up front is irrelevant. We will get walked on the regular. As highly as I regard Chychrun and Marino, this defense is awful.

The net effect of these trades as a whole IMO is less than we're sending out.

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23 déc. 2021 à 18 h 31

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Edmonton and Minni really don't have the cap for those trades. Certainly LA doesn't do that trade. Zucker certainly doesn't provide value.

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23 déc. 2021 à 23 h 32

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Just because Letang wants what he’s worth doesn’t mean the pens won’t give it to him. I think 8 mil x 4 is a good deal for Letang. The nhl has lightened up on the 35+ contracts so it won’t kill the pens later on when they are rebuilding anyways. I’d be ok if they kept Geno at 3x6 and Letang at 4x8. They will have over 30 million in cap. That’s only 14 mil between the 2 players. If rust doesn’t want to stay and take a discount, that’s fine. They will either pay him, sign ERod (who should be cheaper) and trade Kappy or will let him walk and sign Kappy & ERod. That Zucker guy was also pretty good with Crosby. They could just replace Rust with that guy on Crosby’s other wing too.

30 déc. 2021 à 16 h 27

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If Letang doesn't Re-sign.... Id Trade Sid & Jake & burn it down.

#1 Priority is signing him .... Im sayiing a 45yr old Letang leads Pens in Ice time, lol

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