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Mr_Gardoki

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Forum: Armchair-GM27 févr. à 19 h 23
Sujet: Petey
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Fox_Czar_Cup</b></div><div>Zero chance we give away Kakko's career for Vat, zero. He's very solid and will improve. Vat is getting good minutes, but like you said we saw him, he's Grabner 2.0.</div></div>

The Rangers are in a win-now mode. Now, I'm not comparing you to the Pens, but Arty and Kreider are 32. They're not old, but the clock is ticking. Mika and Trocheck are 30. The time is now. You have the defense, the goaltending and Arty is having a crazy year, but your depth is an issue and will catch up with you in the playoffs. It's why a lot of good teams fall short in the playoffs. Adding Vatrano and Henrique, at least to me, probably make you guys the favorite in the East.

There's absolutely no guarantee Kakko's production will improve, none. Yes, he's excellent defensively, but the league is full of good defensive forwards who don't produce. We had ZAR. He some of the top defensive metrics of forwards in the league for a couple of years, but dude couldn't hit an open net if he was standing right in front of it.

Your time is NOW and shouldn't be hindered by waiting out one player.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 févr. à 18 h 21
Sujet: Blow-Up and Glow-Up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Which part is incorrect? Are you denying the fact that all 32 teams had the opportunity to sign Ryan Graves this offseason for 4.5 million (or more if they valued him as such), if they wished without giving up any assets.

Are you denying graves struggles this year?

Are you denying graves 12 team NTC that would prevent a number of potential suitors from acquiring him at all?</div></div>

Your general thought-process is wrong. I'm not sure why you're asking weird questions. I completely stated earlier that Graves has not been a good fit. Every situation with a player is different on why they may be on the outs with their respective teams, but you're treating this like some kind of math equation and that's now how this goes down.

Yes, the clause affects things, but it only limits the teams they can negotiate with and the leverage they have in the type of return they can get, which is why I stated in a situation like with Graves, the likely scenario is this...

1) They get a low return on a team who will take him, i.e. maybe they get a 4th.
2) They may have to take a contract back with a player in a similar situation, i.e. let's say VAN is interested. You could see a trade, maybe even straight up for Mikheyev.

Now, as i stated a few times already, if Graves just completely year 2 of his contract and he's been bad in both his years of this contract? Then yes, the Pens would likely either have to tack on a pick/prospect to move him or possibly retain.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 févr. à 18 h 11
Sujet: Blow-Up and Glow-Up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Meier was signed on a self admitted discount as an RFA. He was not able to test the market. So we have no idea how the market views him (other than the gluttony of trade offers SJS recieved)

Graves went to the open market and came back with 4.5 mill AAV.

Who is this team that views graves as worth = or more to 4.5 million?

If they viewed him as more, why didn’t they offer him more in UFA.

If they did and graves declined, there is a very significant chance they are one of the 12 teams on graves NTC.

Even if there’s a team that did view graves as worth more than 4.5 mill AAV in the offseason, there’s a very real chance their perception has lowered after his lack of success this year.

It’s very rare a team can trade a struggling player they acquired in unrestricted free agency for +ve value</div></div>

I'm sorry, man, but everything you're stating just really makes zero sense. Your line of thought is not how things work.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 févr. à 18 h 4
Sujet: Blow-Up and Glow-Up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>My general thought process is this:

If a player leaves a team to sign a new team as a UFA (especially if it’s not a top tier contender), that means him at that contract is generally his net 0 value (with some exceptions).

Ryan graves based on his previous play, went, tested the market, and the market told him he was worth 4.5 million dollars a year with no other draft capital involved.

Since then, his play has dropped to a level below what it previously was. So his value drops below said 4.5 million AAV.

Unless you’re suggesting graves took a discount to play in Pittsburgh, which I disagree with.

In order for a team to want to pay for Graves (especially with all the available UFAs about to come) they would likely have had to:

Viewed graves as a player worth more than 4.5 million, and in that case they probably made him an offer above that which he declined to play in Pittsburgh.

Not be on graves M-NTC, I’d imagine a number of the teams above (if they exist) would be on said NTC if he took less money to not play for them

Not have had their perception dropped by Graves recent lowered level of play.

Generally signing UFAs from other teams is like a car, it loses 20% of its value the second you drive it off the lot</div></div>

That's not how things work. Graves left NJ because NJ has/have a bevy of young dmen ready to make the jump and wanted to keep Meier. NJ had different priorities which had nothing to do with Graves' value.

As far as your other thoughts, I honestly don't even know what you're getting at. My point is a good proven player having a bad year doesn't make him a cap-dump or in position for his team to have to retain or pay another team to take him. I also stated that if he was two years in and nothing changed? Then yeah, they'd probably have to pay or retain.

In this scenario, GM's will recognize a good player with a bad year/bad fit and capitalize by acquiring him at a discounted price. If Graves was moved, the Pens probably get a 3rd, maybe a little less or they may have to take another contract back with a player in a similar situation. That's like saying NJ would have to retain on Meier if they wanted to move him and we both know that's not the case and relative to Graves' season, Meier is having a far worse one.
Forum: Armchair-GM27 févr. à 17 h 51
Sujet: Blow-Up and Glow-Up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>I think if the penguins wanted to move him they’d have to pay. Especially to jersey, bc if we wanted graves at 4.5 we’d have signed him at 4.5. You can somewhat say this for other teams but Graves may have chosen Pitt over them. And then his play this year has lowered said value. However I think they should just keep him and give him a bit of time to settle in</div></div>

I mean, they're not moving him to jersey and no, they won't have to pay to move him. I'm not trying to bark at you, but this board has a really unrealistic/unclear vision of how all this works. Just because a player is having a bad season or an off-year they don't all of a sudden become these pieces of crap they have to pay teams to take. I'm telling you this as a fact, that's not how it works. Now, if Graves had like two bad years in a row on this contract? Ok, there'd be some validity to that, but a player who's only 28 coming off a strong year doens't just become crap overnight and GM's know this and they will generally capitalize on situations like this to get good players for cheap. MAYBE the Pens would have to take a contract back, but that would be the extent.

Yes, it will absolutely affect return, but they don't have to pay or retain. This board has become worse and worse with it's general takes and this is one.