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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 57 minutes
Sujet: If They Trade Rust And Pettersson
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchMarnerElite </b></div><div>Thanks for the feedback. I think you are undervaluing Rust &amp; Pettersson. Basically a top 6 Forward in excellent contract &amp; a top 4 D for an expensive top line forward. Toronto would do it for the cap savings.

How’d you think this Penguins team looks? Are they contender?</div></div>

I’m not undervaluing them. Simply Marner is just that much better. Marner has never had a season under 61 points. Rust is consistently a 25-35 point player who had a breakout season last year but still didn’t hit 60 points. Marner is an elite top line right wing. Rust is a decent second line right wing at best. Petterson is a solid 2nd pair D that could probably play spurts as a top pair D.
As for the team being a contender after such a hypothetical trade and draft selection, yeah. They are a cup contender and east favorite here.
However, if they get back the 15th overall, I think they use it on someone like Schneider.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 2:13 pm
Sujet: jus goin buckwild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SmugTkachuk</b></div><div>Similar buyout (Zuccarello Cost: $11.3 Save: $5.6, Hornqvist Cost: $10.6, Save: $5.3) Zuccarello produces more, stays healthier, probably a better fit in PIT. If anything it's a lateral move not a cap dump and if you consider a cap dump why wouldn't the Penguins have to improve their offer to dumb Hornqvist's contract?</div></div>

Idk where you got that they are similar buyout costs. Hornqvist is a consistent 1.7 million cap hit over the next 6 years. Zuccarello this year would be 5.4 million hit, and then it rotates between a 4.4 million hit and a 2.6 million hit according to the site. And that’s over 8 years as opposed to 6. Secondly, the pens don’t do buyouts. Otherwise Johnson would have been. Or Hornqvist would have been. Third, they’ve both had similar production over the past two years. And both were injured two years ago which really hindered their production and haven’t gotten back to their 45-55 point production since. And have been around that 35 point production. The only difference is that Hornqvist only had 5 less points in like 15 less games I believe. The pens have 4926364827483726 left handed shots and need right handed shots more making Zucc less valuable to us. Pens need to get out of some of these old bad contracts (Hornqvist, JJ) in 3 years when guys like Zucker are due for another contract, Marino will be on his next contract, McCann and rust will be on new contracts, if Geno and Letang don’t retire could possibly be on new contracts. Adding another year and 700k to a bad contract would be pretty brutal for the cap strapped pens.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 10:57 am
Sujet: jus goin buckwild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SmugTkachuk</b></div><div>Weren't the Pens about to take on Mathesson? Rutherford should be bowing down to anyone who offers him a package like the one above for Hornqvist at this point.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lenny7</b></div><div>Remember that time that your GM just agreed to take on $32 mil in future commitments to one of, if not the worst dmen in the league...

Edit: that kindaaaa makes me think that if the deal changes, you're not getting anything close to 9 OA</div></div>

The difference between the Hornqvist for Matheson trade is that Matheson is younger and a cheaper cap hit. Zuccarello is the same age as hornqvist, a more expensive cap hit, and longer term. Not exactly what GMJR was trying to do with the Florida trade. So again, for us to take on a cap dump like Zuccarello, add your 1st or take back Jack Johnson with Hornqvist.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 3:25 pm
Sujet: A total outsiders look at penguins next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>lmfao what? Simon signs for 800k, Jarry gets 2.5m, Lafferty (750k) penguins trade JJ. Tanev is more than likely not signing OR is contract will be structured that he'll make a ton of money towards the end of the deal.( Pretty obvious) they already have Ruhwedel signed so the "need" for a 3RHD is minimal. i dont want to waste anymore time trying to explain numbers to you bc it seems pointless... you arent understanding. Penguins likely use Murray to dump JJ free up that cap space to sign Tanev to a heavy backend deal. basically used the cap free cap on the "jugs" trde for Mccann. id say t he are going to stay around 72-75 million if i had to guess</div></div>

Ok you must have a crystal ball 😂. If those players were to sign that cheap, they’d have already signed them lol. Simon likely gets around 1-1.5 million. Jarry will likely get around 3. Lafferty gets around 1 million. I highly doubt he is offered a QO and says how about I sign a deal for less, boss. And with what assets do we trade JJ with? Can’t be murray. If the pens, one of the most profitable organizations over the past decade, have a 70-72 million internal cap, then surely just about everybody else does. And I doubt Tanev takes much of a back loaded contract. He might shed a million or 2 off the first year or 2 and put it on the back end. But I can’t see him doing much more than that. And he is going to want 5+ million. The only reason people think he’ll only sign for 5 million per year here is because his brother plays here.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 3:05 pm
Sujet: A total outsiders look at penguins next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>Matheson makes 3.5m this year and horny makes 5.3 million. Kappy only makes 3.2m and i guess they feel is a low cap hit for a top 6 winger. Matheson is still 300k cheaper next year so you're wrong there lol. 21-22 year they are expecting to have fans in t he seats / Rev will go up. They are trying to contend so draft picks are idiotic. /Simon (2015) were they most recent draft picks to have a full time role with the penguins.</div></div>

Great and even with that trade they are still around the 70 million in real dollars with Jarry, Simon, Lafferty, a 3RHD to sign. That will likely take them to around 80 million in actual money at the very least (if they go after Tanev). Again, if they wanted in the low 70s in actual dollars. They’d trade Hornqvist for picks. Use picks in getting rid of JJ. Use Poulin and POJ to replace them. Trade Murray in an attempt to get someone like a Colin Miller from buffalo as opposed to attempting for Tanev that will want almost twice as much.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 2:43 pm
Sujet: A total outsiders look at penguins next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Capitalfail67</b></div><div>lol 70 million in actual $$ not AAV. I'm telling you that its true. Low 70s might be the goal and they might over spend but they are cutting the cap to mid 70's (actual $$ amount)</div></div>

I know what you meant. They are already at the low-mid 70s in real dollars this year. If they were interested in that goal, Hornqvist would be traded for picks not a back loaded contract that starts to become more expensive than Hornqvists actual dollars in the next year or 2. Considering it looks like they won’t have fans this upcoming year unless there is a vaccine approved before the season and might not actually play a full 82 game season, that kind of blows up that theory of an internal cap due to lost revenue. They wouldn’t have used a 1st round pick to take on Kapanen and his salary/cap hit. They’d have used that pick to select a player they could possibly use in a year, if not sooner, with that 15th pick.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 1:30 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:09 am
Sujet: THIS IS JUST A TEST
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>Well the point of this is to see if he can even make it work at $5M and he can't. He would have to move out other contracts and we certainly know it won't be JJ. Moving out Hornqvist only destroys the forward depth even further since whatever is left over to buy a winger certainly wont' be enough to get someone of quality for the top-six, leaving Pettersson being the next up with value, and man, if bringing in Tanev means we lost Rust and Pettersson? I have no words.</div></div>

Agreed. The only way he can bring in Tanev is moving Hornqvist and keeping rust. I get the idea of trading rust at his career high, but even if he regresses this year by 25% of his production this past year, he is still a solid 2nd liner at an amazing cap hit. I don’t think Hornqvist can handle the 2nd line minutes and still be productive. I think taking on less minutes is what helped him last year.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed at 11:02 am
Sujet: How Can They Say No
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mr_Gardoki</b></div><div>These are common arguments in evaluating players, but they're not a catch-all. Does a player with better players give you the chance to increase production? Of course, but does that mean every and any player can? Absolutely not.

Watching the Penguins through the Sid/Geno era has seen a revolving door of wingers for those guys. If this type of argument were true, then there shouldn't have been a revolving door. You can't say because Player X did this there that Player Y will do this here. Strome put up McCann-like numbers playing on TERRIBLE Islander teams and mediocre Oiler team. McCann is putting up old Strome numbers on good Penguins teams. Mind you, I like McCann and think he's perfectly capable. Strome's ability on the 3rd line of a good Penguins team has more potential for higher output amongst him and his linemates. The underlying stats also don't lie.

Again, I'm not saying you guys are necessarily wrong, but the basis for you argument is just not strong.</div></div>

No McCann is 3 years younger and is a consistent 35 point player playing 3rd line minutes with mediocre players. Strome when playing with mediocre players and 3rd line minutes is a consistent 35 point player. The difference is that Strome is about to get paid double what McCann makes because he got moved up to 2nd line minutes playing pretty much all of the season with an elite player like Panarin. He isn’t going to play with Crosby or Malkin. And he isn’t going to play with any top 6 players. He will likely play with Hornqvist and Simon/Poulin at best. The difference between Crosby and Malkin is that those guys actually made the other players better. Strome simply got a bunch of assists last year playing with an elite goal scorer. For a cap strapped team, I’ll take the cheaper player when the choice is between two similar players.