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Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 11 h 7
Sujet: solid team
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Mikescott22</b></div><div>I agree with a lot of what you have here. I might not be in the majority here but I am not a fan of bringing back Erod. A little because of his bonehead play in the playoffs but mainly due to how bad he fell off after his crazy start. Additionally I rather give a 3rd line wing spot to one of the rookies (Puustinen, Poulin, Nylander). I don't know how much more realistic it might be to pair that 2nd in that QO with Kap or Heinen for JP but either way he makes sense to target. I am in agreement that they should not play the draft safe and should take a chance on a boom or bust type prospect (ideally a center or dman) unless a high end winger falls to them. Really well thought out post</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hullsy09</b></div><div>I am assuming you are referring to the interference penalty he took as the “bonehead play”, but I don’t even think it was a penalty. It initially looks like he caught him up high, but once you see the replay he didn’t and Lindgren just got outmuscled and fell. The great one, 99 also agreed with this statement on TNT and said it was a bad call.

I feel like he could get a bit closer to his crazy start than he did in the second half if he played Center which is his natural position. I also think carter should be moved to wing so it is kind of a win win positional swap.

I don’t hate giving a third line wing spot to a rookie because it allows you to go big game hunting elsewhere.

Thanks!</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>I think it depends on what the cost of Erod is. If $2mil gets him - it would be extremely difficult to say no. He's not perfect(slow 2nd half, one bad penalty in game 6 lol), but a guy who can play center and wing on all 4 lines and put up 40+points is a damn good deal for $2mil. If someone decides to overpay him though you gotta let him walk.</div></div>

If Erod will resign for a 1 year (probe last year wasn’t a fluke deal) then I’m ok with it for like 2M…

But I think he probably has priced himself out… PIT would be better off giving 4th line duties to the kids or some low risk bounce back candidates… buy low on some guys if you can hextall… he’s done rlly well with that so far hopefully his luck keeps going…
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 11 h 0
Sujet: Remember Why They Lost
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hullsy09</b></div><div>The reason they got beat by the rangers was because Louis Domingue was their goalie, because Jacob Trouba is a dirty headhunter, and because of the missed helmet rip-off in game 7. Not because the team lacked toughness. If you look at the analytics, Pitt absolutely dominated the rangers and lost due to a series of unfortunate events,</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JSEB93</b></div><div>According to NaturalStatTick the Pens had 205 hits at 5v5 compared to the Rangers 187. I actually don't think this team is bad, but they didn't get beat up last year or lose because of little toughness.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Grusofsky96</b></div><div>Penguins have Jarry the entire series they probably would’ve won in 5 games. Even with DeSmith they win that series. Penguins lost because we blew a 3-1 series lead with Louis Domingue in net. But okay</div></div>

The pens had an AHL goalie in net and had some bad luck… they did alot of great things like get in the Vezina goalies head and dominate a deeper more skilled faster younger team… they are nowhere near Colorado but with a couple smart moves they can get better next year to increase their chances of getting out of the first round
Forum: Armchair-GMHier à 10 h 52
Sujet: Pitt Trade targets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hullsy09</b></div><div>I don’t think many of the players that we have brought in to play with sid (use kasperi Kapanen or Jason zucker as examples) have had olofsons shooting ability. If you watch all of his goals from this past season on YouTube, a strong majority of them are him beating goalies clean - often from distance. That is a definable skill which won’t go away, and it is easy to see how that skill would pair well with Crosby. You can count one one hand the amount of players that have Crosby’s level of vision/hockey iq/passing ability in the history of the sport on one hand. Besides Wayne Gretzky I can’t think of anyone who I would put above sid in that regard. On that basis I don’t think it is a stretch to think that if you combine the shooting ability of olofson with the shot creating ability of Crosby it would work out. Plus olofson is still a young player going into only his 4th NHL season so he still has time to mature, and he was on pace for over 50 points over 82 games last year.</div></div>

All fair points
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 20 h 47
Sujet: Pitt Trade targets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Czu8iks</b></div><div>You don't trade for Oloffson and put in line with Crosby and hope for the best. It's not like that. Olofsson looked good, with Tage Thompson centering his line. Imagine how better his stats sheet would be with Crosby. You added pure scorer to line with HOF center. He is available only because Sabres are getting younger players to play his minutes. He is not getting pushed out by coaching stuff or GM based on, on ice perfomance. Sabres have young winger coming into NHL, and since Skinner cannot be moved, VO is first guy out.
But he can play 3rd line minutes with being extra PP guy as well. If Penguins are looking for pure scorer for 4 mil cap hit, VO is their guy.

Sabres need RHD badly. Marino fits. VO + 2nd 2023 (VGK) for Marino could be the deal, if Pitt is looking for improved scoring.</div></div>

I’m not questioning your logic
But I’ve heard this again and again… trading for wingers for Sid usually doesn’t work out 😂
Also tbh Sid is now playing with the best wingers ever minus Kunitz maybe with guentzel and rusty… so I think he’s content
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 20 h 43
Forum: Armchair-GMlun. à 13 h 23
Sujet: Pitt Trade targets
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Czu8iks</b></div><div>Olofsson for Marino. Picks will even the trade, but it would be 3rd or lower going one of the ways.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hullsy09</b></div><div>I think the third would be on buffalos side in that deal, Marino is the much safer option. Olofsons 5v5 analytics are a bit troubling and that is a risk but the hope would be that playing with elite talent would help them improve</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pensman69</b></div><div>Yea but playing with Geno/Trocheck/Miller and Rakell or even top line minutes with Sid could bring out a monster in Olofsson’s game.</div></div>

You don’t trade for a winger who you hope will make the trade fair value if he performs alongside your superstar talent… trading fair value for Buffalos version of olofson is just that… how many times have we all said “yeah this player will be so good when playing with Sid or geno” how many times has it actually worked out?

Yes
Rakell (small sample size but yeah)
Kessel (kinda a lil with geno)
Hornqvist (for a while)

No
Kapanen
Pearson
Zucker
McCann
Perron
Iginla

I’m just saying it’s hit or miss
<strong>Don’t overpay in the hopes a player gets better. </strong>
Forum: Armchair-GMdim. à 14 h 4
Sujet: Give me REASONABLE offers for Marino bc yall want him so much
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>cooliny</b></div><div>I don't understand why people are saying Marino is worth more than Garland in a 1 for 1 swap, or Garland had a bad season. Even though he had a slump midway he still pushed play very well</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Juiceman</b></div><div>Give him powerplay time and be easily puts up 65-70. He got 50 points without any PP time this season and has some of the best analytics and 5v5 play in the league
Marino on the other hand has had a very mediocre to borderline disappointing season. His value mostly stems from the fact that he plays RD which is valued across the league</div></div>

I think it might be the whole “defensemen are more valuable than forwards” garbage but they are pretty close to equal value tbh… lowkey Marino is more valuable TO PITTSBURGH tho bc if letang walks we have LITERALLY no one to play RHD… So that’s why all PIT fans are so reluctant to part with our Harvard kid
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