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2021-2022 NHL Discussion Thread #9 - Happy Holidays

2 janv. 2022 à 20 h 32
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Quoting: justaBoss
Lundqvist was picked 205th overall

Shesterkin was picked 118th overall

Note to self: goalies are voodoo, never pick goalies in first three rounds.

Counter point: Fleury was picked 1st overall, Price was picked 5th overall, Vasilevskiy was picked 19th overall, and Brodeur was picked 20th overall. Goalies are voodoo except for when they’re not lol. It’s definitely worth using a late round pick every year on a goalie just in case though, until you have the opportunity to select a potential generational talent high in the draft.
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2 janv. 2022 à 20 h 37
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Quoting: Alfie11
Counter point: Fleury was picked 1st overall, Price was picked 5th overall, Vasilevskiy was picked 19th overall, and Brodeur was picked 20th overall. Goalies are voodoo except for when they’re not lol. It’s definitely worth using a late round pick every year on a goalie just in case though, until you have the opportunity to select a potential generational talent high in the draft.


I wouldn't risk it. The likes of DiPietro, Lehtonen, Bernier and Dubnyk were also first round picks but aside off their quite short lived prime they never really stood out to be worthy of that high of a pick.

Personally speaking if I were a GM I wouldn't ever take a goalie in the first round. Maybe at the 2nd or 3rd if some relatively potential one worth scouting had dropped a bit, but other than that, I wouldn't take one.
2 janv. 2022 à 20 h 46
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Quoting: Alfie11
Counter point: Fleury was picked 1st overall, Price was picked 5th overall, Vasilevskiy was picked 19th overall, and Brodeur was picked 20th overall. Goalies are voodoo except for when they’re not lol. It’s definitely worth using a late round pick every year on a goalie just in case though, until you have the opportunity to select a potential generational talent high in the draft.


Quoting: justaBoss
I wouldn't risk it. The likes of DiPietro, Lehtonen, Bernier and Dubnyk were also first round picks but aside off their quite short lived prime they never really stood out to be worthy of that high of a pick.

Personally speaking if I were a GM I wouldn't ever take a goalie in the first round. Maybe at the 2nd or 3rd if some relatively potential one worth scouting had dropped a bit, but other than that, I wouldn't take one.



Goalies are hard to gauge

Campbell was taken what 11th OA and for the start of his career looked like a bust but 12 years later is 1st in the NHL in SV, GAA, and 2nd shutouts (Lindgren has only played a few games so in reality Campbell is first amongst starting goalies)

Its all about patience, development, and consistency to truly know how well a goalie will turn out in the NHL

As some turn out great immediately, while others take time, heck some just are not cut out to play in the NHL.

Draft position to me though really does not influence how well a goalie will do as so far in todays NHL we have seen goalies who were taken late do well and those who were drafted in the 1st round do well. Its all about the factors I mentioned above.
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2 janv. 2022 à 20 h 48
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Quoting: aadoyle
Goalies are hard to Gauge

Campbell was taken what 11th OA and for the start of his career looked like a bust but 12 years later is 2nd in the NHL in SV, GAA, and shutouts

Its all about patience, development, and consistency to truly know how well a goalie will turn out in the NHL

As some turn out great immediately, while others take time, heck some just are not cut out to play in the NHL.


For me as a Stars fan Campbell is a frustrating example of exactly that. I was afraid of Oettinger becoming just another Campbell for us, but fortunately he looks like the real deal.
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2 janv. 2022 à 20 h 51
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Quoting: justaBoss
For me as a Stars fan Campbell is a frustrating example of exactly that. I was afraid of Oettinger becoming just another Campbell for us, but fortunately he looks like the real deal.


The good thing for Oettinger hes young and is showing all the right signs. With role models like Bishop, Holtby, and Dobby he has so many good mentors to help guide him

Campbell had Quick and Anderson to help him along and so far we be reaping in the rewards lul.
2 janv. 2022 à 21 h 17
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2 janv. 2022 à 21 h 28
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2 janv. 2022 à 21 h 30
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Lmao, since this was brought up AB is a joke
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2 janv. 2022 à 21 h 40
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Quoting: justaBoss
Lundqvist was picked 205th overall

Shesterkin was picked 118th overall

Note to self: goalies are voodoo, never pick goalies in first three rounds.


Goaltending itself is voodoo
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2 janv. 2022 à 21 h 43
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Quoting: justaBoss
Lundqvist was picked 205th overall

Shesterkin was picked 118th overall

Note to self: goalies are voodoo, never pick goalies in first three rounds.


Teams should honestly stop drafting top NA goalies (unless they're Carey Price/Spencer Knight caliber) in the first three rounds and draft random European goalies in the later rounds.
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2 janv. 2022 à 21 h 44
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Goaltending itself is voodoo


Goalies’s development is beyond us simple humans’s understanding, they’re random magic beans on steroids
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2 janv. 2022 à 21 h 44
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Quoting: justaBoss
Lundqvist was picked 205th overall

Shesterkin was picked 118th overall

Note to self: goalies are voodoo, never pick goalies in first three rounds.


Vasilevskiy, Demko, Gibson, Price, Fleury :/
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2 janv. 2022 à 21 h 45
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Quoting: Juiceman
Vasilevskiy, Demko, Gibson, Price, Fleury :/


To each of these there's an Andersen/Holtby/Bishop/Quick and younger Sorokin/Saros/Shesterkin/Merzlikins counterpart.
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2 janv. 2022 à 21 h 56
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Quoting: SevenLeg
Teams should honestly stop drafting top NA goalies (unless they're Carey Price/Spencer Knight caliber) in the first three rounds and draft random European goalies in the later rounds.


Agreed:
Dustin Wolf
Devon Levi
Arseni Sergeev
Joe Vrbetic
Filip Lindberg

All recent 7th round selections, all look really promising
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Agreed:
Dustin Wolf
Devon Levi
Arseni Sergeev
Joe Vrbetic
Filip Lindberg

All recent 7th round selections, all look really promising


Cayden Primeau too.
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2 janv. 2022 à 22 h 6
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Quoting: justaBoss
Lundqvist was picked 205th overall

Shesterkin was picked 118th overall

Note to self: goalies are voodoo, never pick goalies in first three rounds.


Insult to injury for Washington since they have to be a division rival, the pick used to select Igor was a capitals pick. The Caps dealt it in order to trade up for Nathan Walker
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2 janv. 2022 à 22 h 8
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Can't believe the Devils almost choked the game


My only explanation is that Blackwood wanted to imitate an EASHL AI and pass straight to the other team
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2 janv. 2022 à 22 h 11
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Quoting: NoVaSpartan
Insult to injury for Washington since they have to be a division rival, the pick used to select Igor was a capitals pick. The Caps dealt it in order to trade up for Nathan Walker


I’m pretty sure Nathan Walker has more hat tricks than Igor but ok 😳
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2 janv. 2022 à 22 h 11
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I’m pretty sure Nathan Walker has more hat tricks than Igor but ok 😳


And more Cups, so clearly Washington won the trade wink
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Agreed:
Dustin Wolf
Devon Levi
Arseni Sergeev
Joe Vrbetic
Filip Lindberg

All recent 7th round selections, all look really promising


Then you got the man the myth the wall

JOSEPH WOLL
2 janv. 2022 à 22 h 35
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Then you got the man the myth the wall

JOSEPH WOLL


Unfortunately we used a 4th on him. With Swayman taken next and Batherson 10 picks later.

But my boy Petruzzelli was taken in the 3rd round by DET who we now have so all is right in the world.
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Unfortunately we used a 4th on him. With Swayman taken next and Batherson 10 picks later.

But my boy Petruzzelli was taken in the 3rd round by DET who we now have so all is right in the world.


Well if were going by 7th round picks Kallagren was a 2015 7th round pick from Arizona I believe and so far been pretty impressed with him

0.923sv on the Marlies whose defense has been a downer this year.

Could be the next callup candidate should one of the goalies get hurt.

Besides Woll has shown his potential. The game against SJS was where we saw just how good he could be as remember that 8 save sequence with guys falling on him lul.

While Swayman would have been nice as I mentioned its hard to gauge a goalie but Woll did show with some more development and with a better defense in front of him he is a capable NHL backup goalie.
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2 janv. 2022 à 22 h 51
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Quoting: NoVaSpartan
Insult to injury for Washington since they have to be a division rival, the pick used to select Igor was a capitals pick. The Caps dealt it in order to trade up for Nathan Walker

I always think about that.
2 janv. 2022 à 23 h 23
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Lmao, since this was brought up AB is a joke


The way he went out was hilarious
Can't believe he did that
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If you ever feel bad about your team’s drafting…

Boston 2015
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