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Detroit Red Wings signed Jakub Vrána (3 Years / $5,250,000 AAV)

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10 août à 12 h 8
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Jakub Vrána has signed a new contract with the Detroit Red Wings.
CONTRAT STANDARD
Contrats comparablesCOMPARER CE CONTRAT
DURÉE: 3 ANS
STATUT À L’ÉCHÉANCE DU CONTRAT: UFA
CONTRAT SIGNÉ AVEC: Red Wings de DetroitRed Wings de Detroit
VALEUR: 15 750 000 $
% DU C.H. : 6,44
DATE DE SIGNATURE: 10 août 2021
SOURCE: CapFriendly
SAISONCLAUSECAP HIT AAV BONIS DE PERFORMANCE BONIS DE SIGN. SALAIRE DE BASE SALAIRE TOTAL SALAIRE DES LIGUES MINEURES
2021-225 250 000 $5 250 000 $0 $0 $4 750 000 $4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
2022-235 250 000 $5 250 000 $0 $0 $5 250 000 $5 250 000 $5 250 000 $
2023-245 250 000 $5 250 000 $0 $0 $5 750 000 $5 750 000 $5 750 000 $
TOTAL15 750 000 $15 750 000 $0 $0 $15 750 000 $15 750 000 $15 750 000 $
10 août à 12 h 13
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mj8113
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Great deal for both sides, Vrana was 2nd in G/60 at 5v5 last year behind only Auston Matthews.
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10 août à 12 h 13
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Money is fine, but this leads him straight to UFA. If DET is not starting to compete by the point this deal expires they'll lose him for free.
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10 août à 12 h 18
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Great deal by Vrana's agent. Walks him straight to UFA at the age of 28 which allows him to sign long term deals better than players at the age of 30+, plus he gets to see where the Wings will be in the following years. All while having a great bridge deal.
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10 août à 12 h 32
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10 août à 12 h 39
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Great deal, Vrana is a solid top 6 player
10 août à 12 h 40
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Solid deal both sides. Yzerman could have stolen a year or two of FA but he is likely looking for consistency in play.
10 août à 12 h 46
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I'm pretty sure the AAV would have been significantly higher if Yzerman insisted on buying extra UFA years. This is an excellent contract.
10 août à 12 h 51
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Good signing. Vrana was fantastic in the post deadline games he played with the wings and he actually gave them some life. Love this deal for both sides.
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10 août à 12 h 58
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Quoting: justaBoss
Money is fine, but this leads him straight to UFA. If DET is not starting to compete by the point this deal expires they'll lose him for free.


Actually it buys 1 year
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10 août à 13 h 5
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Short but the money is right. It's closer to what Vrana was asking for in arbitration as well.

I feel like it would've been smarter to lock him down for a few more years, because this really just screams "future deadline trade" to me.
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10 août à 13 h 25
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Don't love the term really but its not a surprise
10 août à 13 h 37
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how does this "walk" him to FA, you become a FA at 27.

I think this is high. I like the player, I think it was a huge mistake for WSH to let him go for Mantha. But I think this is high. I would have figured 4-4.5 range. He took all he could get and DET gave it to him. He's a mid 20 goals guy. That might tick up on a bad team like DET because someone has to score. But he is what he is.
He got paid just under what guys like Pasta and Jake got paid, in a flat cap world. I don't think that's right. He's not on their level.
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10 août à 13 h 41
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10 août à 13 h 50
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can't wait until Jacob Vrana is getting flipped in 2 years for 2 1st round picks
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10 août à 14 h 14
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I'm a biased ****er who loved watching Vrana in Washington and wished we kept him. It's a short deal with the pay he deserves for his performance, in my opinion, the best of both worlds
10 août à 14 h 16
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Quoting: pharrow
how does this "walk" him to FA, you become a FA at 27.

I think this is high. I like the player, I think it was a huge mistake for WSH to let him go for Mantha. But I think this is high. I would have figured 4-4.5 range. He took all he could get and DET gave it to him. He's a mid 20 goals guy. That might tick up on a bad team like DET because someone has to score. But he is what he is.
He got paid just under what guys like Pasta and Jake got paid, in a flat cap world. I don't think that's right. He's not on their level.


Pasta ___________________ VS Vrana
Contract
Year 1 RFA no arb________RFA arb right
Year 2 RFA arb right______RFA arb right
Year 3 RFA arb right______UFA
Year 4 RFA arb right
Year 5 UFA
Year 6 UFA

Pasta has 4 RFA year, one with no arbitration rights, it brings the average down
10 août à 14 h 38
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I think it’s a good deal. Vrana hasn’t proven himself in Detroit for long enough to justify a long-term deal (6-8 yrs), and while I was hoping it would be 4 or 5, that’s a good AAV and still buys some FA term instead of just walking him out. If he continues to prove himself, Yzerman has the option of selling him for a big return or re-signing him for a bigger deal down the line. Win for both parties, especially if Vrana keeps up the elite play he had in his short look with the Wings last season.
10 août à 14 h 53
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Quoting: justaBoss
Money is fine, but this leads him straight to UFA. If DET is not starting to compete by the point this deal expires they'll lose him for free.


They can always trade him so it’s not for free.
10 août à 15 h 58
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what a steal!!!
10 août à 19 h 12
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Banni
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Quoting: Joe_La_Garnotte
Pasta ___________________ VS Vrana
Contract
Year 1 RFA no arb________RFA arb right
Year 2 RFA arb right______RFA arb right
Year 3 RFA arb right______UFA
Year 4 RFA arb right
Year 5 UFA
Year 6 UFA

Pasta has 4 RFA year, one with no arbitration rights, it brings the average down


Tell that to all those other RFA guys who signed big deals. In general that is a nothing argument. Neither Pasta nor Jake were worried about Arbitration when signing their deals.

You can say Pasta was 3 years prior to the flat cap, and Jake 2.
But that isn't really saying much either as both those players were far younger than Vrana when signing those deals. In other words, their trajectory was much higher given their accomplishments. So those things really cancel out.
Most people know by 24-25 what you got in a guy. Usually they are peeking shortly after that.
So you got a guy here, who is 25, and we know what we got. It's not on the level. You can run the numbers of what Jake or Pasta did at 25 in comparison.
But they are paying him slightly under them. That doesn't fit right. This is roughly 1 mil to high.
Best one could say is DET tax, but why should DET pay that on a RFA. They shouldn't.
They just forked over 5+ on a mid 20 goal guy. If you don't get how that's too much I don't know what to say.
This is a piece player they dished out center piece money too. That's a mistake.
10 août à 19 h 55
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Quoting: pharrow
Tell that to all those other RFA guys who signed big deals. In general that is a nothing argument. Neither Pasta nor Jake were worried about Arbitration when signing their deals.

You can say Pasta was 3 years prior to the flat cap, and Jake 2.
But that isn't really saying much either as both those players were far younger than Vrana when signing those deals. In other words, their trajectory was much higher given their accomplishments. So those things really cancel out.
Most people know by 24-25 what you got in a guy. Usually they are peeking shortly after that.
So you got a guy here, who is 25, and we know what we got. It's not on the level. You can run the numbers of what Jake or Pasta did at 25 in comparison.
But they are paying him slightly under them. That doesn't fit right. This is roughly 1 mil to high.
Best one could say is DET tax, but why should DET pay that on a RFA. They shouldn't.
They just forked over 5+ on a mid 20 goal guy. If you don't get how that's too much I don't know what to say.
This is a piece player they dished out center piece money too. That's a mistake.


When Pasta signed that deal, he had only one good season there is a risk he couldn't do it again ! We'll see how it falls out but for now votes are 66-7
10 août à 22 h 6
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Quoting: pharrow
Tell that to all those other RFA guys who signed big deals. In general that is a nothing argument. Neither Pasta nor Jake were worried about Arbitration when signing their deals.

You can say Pasta was 3 years prior to the flat cap, and Jake 2.
But that isn't really saying much either as both those players were far younger than Vrana when signing those deals. In other words, their trajectory was much higher given their accomplishments. So those things really cancel out.
Most people know by 24-25 what you got in a guy. Usually they are peeking shortly after that.
So you got a guy here, who is 25, and we know what we got. It's not on the level. You can run the numbers of what Jake or Pasta did at 25 in comparison.
But they are paying him slightly under them. That doesn't fit right. This is roughly 1 mil to high.
Best one could say is DET tax, but why should DET pay that on a RFA. They shouldn't.
They just forked over 5+ on a mid 20 goal guy. If you don't get how that's too much I don't know what to say.
This is a piece player they dished out center piece money too. That's a mistake.


Vrana is one of the best es goal scorers in the game. He's gotten minimal pp minutes and not that many es minutes either.

Over the last three years he is tied for the 7th most even strength goals in the entire league

http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20182019&seasonTo=20202021&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evGoals&page=0&pageSize=100

Moves up to third if you look at per 60
10 août à 22 h 8
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I voted no.

Yes they kept his cap hit down by keeping the deal short, but frankly the red Wings don't need him that much this year and next, they should want him for term and they walked him to UFA at 28. So if this was the leafs, or Golden Knights, or someone else in cap trouble I'd say good deal for keeping aav low. For a team building for the long run without the same cap constraints I think they made a mistake
10 août à 23 h 3
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Quoting: Joe_La_Garnotte
When Pasta signed that deal, he had only one good season there is a risk he couldn't do it again ! We'll see how it falls out but for now votes are 66-7


No one, and I mean no one, thought Pasta or Jake was a "fluke." Everyone knew they were getting a legit player there with a high ceiling. Now they didn't know how high which is why they got 6 mil deals. The doubts on that ceiling explain the ceiling on those cap hits. And that's the exact point I'm making here. There really isn't near the same ceiling here. You have to be cognizant of that. No one is mistaking vrana for either. But in 2 years basically of cap increases your saying the price on a mid 20 goal winger is 5+, and I'm saying over pay. The ceiling ain't there.

Quoting: BCAPP
Vrana is one of the best es goal scorers in the game. He's gotten minimal pp minutes and not that many es minutes either.

Over the last three years he is tied for the 7th most even strength goals in the entire league

http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&seasonFrom=20182019&seasonTo=20202021&gameType=2&filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&sort=evGoals&page=0&pageSize=100

Moves up to third if you look at per 60


For the last 3 years He's averaged 2 mins of power play time per game. He has 0 goals.
We can go round and round on that. But his zone starts on the PP in those 3 years was never below 94%.
So you can say, he didn't get time, or we can say, he didn't do anything with the time he got.
Clearly OV was the guy there for WSH. There is no debate about that. But it's not like he got no time, or that the time was starting in the DZone or whatever.

No one is saying that Vrana is not a good player. Lets be clear on that. But he's not a center piece guy.
He had a lot of help in WSH. He also got a lot of preferential zone time. He's well over 70% his last 2 years.
At no time in his stint in WSH did he ever reach ore than piece status. He was always a cog not the wheel.
He had help from Backstrom, Kuzy, Oshie, WIlson. That's not a bad supporting cast to help a player.
And while he played well in DET for his 11 games, truth is, someone there has to score. Teams aren't just going to let every game be lopsided 8-0. Not only is it bad blood but it looks bad for the league. So you get guys, like Dzingle, who put up really good numbers in OTT for a short amount of time. Cashed in, and then the realization that he wasn't that.
It's the bad team effect.
And while I realize you want to say, "this guy is the real deal" the truth is, he's a good player, but he's not a 5+ million player.
While he may put up points in DET, those points are suspect as hell. Much like Dzingles were.
He had a lot of time in WSH to show he was more than a 20 some goal guy and a consistent goal scorer.
He's a net between 20-30 guy. As a UFA that might land you 5 as teams bid on you, see the Hyman deal as he was on a 30 goal pace last year as a support cast player.
But as an RFA, it shouldn't have. This deal should have come in less. Should have been in the 4 mil range.
 
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