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Forum: Armchair-GM7 sept. à 14 h 12
Sujet: gregor onboard
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RipNasty</b></div><div>Why? We did this last season and it very quickly sorted itself out. It truly is astounding to me how many people in this world go about their days forgetting about yesterday and acting like there is no tomorrow. I appreciate living in the now but you won't know where you are going without knowing where you came from and you certainly aren't going to get far if you have no plans for tomorrow.</div></div>

They decided to do 11/7 as a coaching decision while having other players. That is a massive difference. If the leafs can only have 11/7 on their team due to cap issues, with no way to accrue cap over time (can't accrue cap while on LTIR), then the GM really messed up. **** happens and IFthe GM ended up in this situation because of unforseen events, so be it. But here he came in at the draft and controlled free agency where HE created a cap situation where he is a couple hundred K shy of having a 21st player and thus can't have a normal 12 forward and 6 defenseman on his roster, then he messed up. He couldn't have convinced a few players to take a 1-2% pay cut so we aren't in this situation? Was he that short sighted? And for a new guy on the job its a fairly large mess up that does not build confidence.
Forum: Armchair-GM7 sept. à 13 h 18
Sujet: gregor onboard
Gregor is not "not that much of a downgrade", or in other words he IS that much of a downgrade

Offense
Jarnkrok:
10 or more goals every year since 2015/2016 and a career high 20 last year
Career high 39 pts last year and averages about half a point per game
Averaged over an 82 game season, he scores 16 goals and 36 pts

Gregor
26 goals total in his career of 178 games, career high 10 last year
Career high 23 points 2 years ago, 17 last year maybe 0.3 ppg
Averaged over an 82 game season, he scores 12 goals and 23 pts

Other:
Jarnkrok
Can play C (did so mostly early in his career, not much recently)
Is still quite good in the dot
Is good defensively (not elite, but good, can be the responsible guy on a sheltered scoring line)
Is not particularly physical

Gregor
cannot play C
Is terrible defensively
Is physical


So essentially Gregor is exactly what you would expect from a 25 year old signing a PTO in September: he is a borderline NHLer. He comes with one improvement over Jarnkrok (Gregor is more physical). Otherwise he is significantly worse in every way. Jarnkrok is frankly a bargain. He is middle six forward who can complement skilled players and score when in that situation (but can't drive his own offense), and can play all three forward positions and be defensively responsible. He can be put anywhere in the line up and be useful. He does that for 2.1 million.
Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. à 21 h 5
Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. à 18 h 17
Sujet: Best Team Now and Dynasty
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PurpleHippo</b></div><div>Totally understandable, that could be a difference of preference tbh. Goalies like Shesterkin, Saros and Sorokin crossed my mind for this.
I'm a fairly adamant believer that the last place you should spend money (especially over 7M) is on goaltending and because of that I took the best value contracts I could find for the forseeable future rather than going with the 3 above who will likely obtain 8-9+ on their next contracts.</div></div>

I don't think one should pay for unreliable tending. There are only a few tenders who have been reliably average to great for the last number of years

Sorokin
Shesterkin
Vasi
Saaro
Helle (though I think he actually had one off season)

But its not worth saving 3 million gamble. #1 goaltender impacts a team probably as much as the top pairing or top line. Not a place to cheap out if you actually can have a good prediction of paying for vlaue (in this exercise where you can choose anyone). In reality when you are hit with a situation trying to gamble if a Binnington is worth it I'm with you
Forum: Armchair-GM1 sept. à 15 h 56
Sujet: Best Team Now and Dynasty
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PurpleHippo</b></div><div>Each one can somewhat be explained by their current and expected future cap hit, have to think about where they are in the lineup and what you're actually willing to pay for a player in that slot.
Broberg: cheap right now, young, in a role with sheltered minutes in this line up, still a great 6 dman, extension should only be 1.25M.
Dowd: great 4C at a good cap hit for 2 seasons.
Evans: Was going to switch with M. Mcleod, the additional year of contract and IPP helped me decide (could imagine there may be a replacement on a lower contract).
Ylonen: stratch that's on league minimum who wont get a massive raise (replaced Radysh, who would get a larger pay next season).

Goalies IMO are fine, both are young and looking like top 20 goaltenders (in the future), both are the starters for cup favourite teams right now on incredible deals.</div></div>

Specifically re the tenders, if you're building a best team you don't go fine there. Spend on one and get shesterkin or something.
Forum: NHL Signings28 août à 16 h 51
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers signed Evan Bouchard (2 Years / $3,900,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jr400</b></div><div>I can’t say that I think the offer sheet rule is working well, but I believe it does help to ensure that teams give the player a fair contract and don’t drag out the negotiations unreasonably long. I’m sure some of the GMs are friends and don’t want to p*ss each other off, but I think the main reason it isn’t done more often is that it’s usually futile. The team who owns the player’s rights is almost always going to match it and keep the player. Sure, it might force them into a contract they didn’t really want, but no GM is going to do something just to hurt another team if it doesn’t help his own team. (Even though Carolina played up the Kotkaniemi offer sheet like it was payback for Aho’s, I believe the real reason they did it was because they really liked the player and Montreal wouldn’t trade him.)

Still, the threat of it is always there, so it keeps teams honest. I think it drives some of the trades we see for RFA signing rights too, because teams would rather work out the compensation themselves than have it dictated by the offer sheet rules, though in some cases I think they use the offer sheet compensation as a starting point for the trade negotiations. That’s why we see a lot of unsigned RFAs get traded for a 2nd or 3rd round pick when it seems like they should have been worth more.

There are some things I think they could do to improve the offer sheet rule. I’d like to see them allow teams to use other teams’ draft picks as compensation. Currently they can only use their own, which benefits the better teams, especially where the compensation involves a 1st-round draft pick. I’d also like to see them make more RFAs eligible for offer sheets. Why shouldn’t arbitration cases be allowed to sign an offer sheet before their hearing if they can sign a contract with the team that owns their rights during that time?</div></div>

I'm not sure everyone would match. Players move in the NBA all the time and there isn't even compensation.
Forum: NHL Signings26 août à 21 h 9
Sujet: Edmonton Oilers signed Evan Bouchard (2 Years / $3,900,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>While I dont think it will be Nurse bad instead of potentially an 8m x 8 year deal we may see the first 12m Dman all off PP 1 cookie eating

Cause through being with McDavid and Draisaitl points will probs avg 60 or more

And with cap going up the amount of double digit guys gonna increase

Kind of surprised nobody OS. This was a prime candidate for someone like ANA or SJS to do it. As a 5m OS would have made EDM have to pay to move other guys</div></div>

Almost nobody ever offer sheets because there is essentially a gentleman's agreement not do it. It's treated like an a**hole move when a gm does it, which is silly as the NHLPA has specifically negotiated it as a way for their members to have some leverage as RFAs. It's honestly nearly collusion.

And while it protects organizations players (the near refusal to use them), so fans should appreciate that, it also decreases player movement in general which we like.

But look at what happened between Montreal and Carolina with offersheets. Or further back with Burke threatening to fight Edmonton's gm because of the Penner offersheet. It's all bs
Forum: NHL Signings25 août à 17 h 12
Sujet: Toronto Maple Leafs signed Auston Matthews (4 Years / $13,250,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>svensk_forskare</b></div><div>i mean yes, mac was also selfish, in the sense that he could've taken a lot less to help the team. mackinnons raise pushed out plenty of other depth talent. like matthews, he's worth it, but the other difference is mackinnon got a cup already while playing for waaaay below market value, matthews hasn't been below market value since his ELC... its easier to accept mackinnon chasing money after getting a cup than matthews doing it before getting a cup, and i realize that is subjective</div></div>

I see your point to a degree, but it mostly just makes me hate the cap. I don't think someone is selfish for asking for their value. I think someone is selfish for pushing for above their value, but them being too good to let leave for a mildly bad contract. Its only the cap that makes us care. The two of them are borderline generational players and deserve to be among the top paid in the league as they are.

The truth is, if either of them demanded 15, most of the leagues team would do it given the opportunity. They may not like doing it, but they would. But 15-16% of the cap for MVP caliber players in their prime isn't selfish, its appropriate