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Thoughts on Betuzzi trade

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Équipe: 2020-21 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 29 oct. 2020
Publié: 29 oct. 2020
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Lehkonen is a solid defensive winger who may still have some uncapped offensive potential, Detroit struggled to sign Bertuzzi to a deal, Detroit also gets picks to help their rebuild.
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 14
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an overrated bottom sixer and a 2nd and a few midround picks. This is comedy for detroit. Does nothing to help their team and the value isn't even close
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 15
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Can a team even trade a player awarded a contract though arbitration? It seems like a situation that would be like them matching an offersheet where they can't be traded for 1 year.
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 16
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Kings won't trade MacDermid for Kulak straight up. They're certainly not adding a draft pick.
29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 17
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How about Toffoli for Perlini, a 2nd and a 3rd?
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 19
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Bertuzzi is a beast...
you would need to give: Lehky, Poehling, 2021-1st for him... and maybe Juulsen as well... and take a cap dump
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 20
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That’s gonna be a no from Detroit. 1) Bertuzzi isn’t really available so we wouldn’t trade him even for fair value. 2) His combination of skill and grit gives him a very valuable skill set.

If we did trade him, the asking price would be a 1st+. Not a bottom 6 forward and some meh picks.
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 22
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This is a really bad offer for Lil Bert anyway you slice it. He’s also an RFA after this year so you won’t be getting him at a rental rate.
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 23
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Detroit passes, Lehkonen isn't what we need plus a bunch of meh picks.
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 41
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So I did some digging and it seems like you can in fact trade a player who has signed his arbitration agreement. That is odd to me but it is the way it is I guess.

I am not a fan of either Burtuzzi (because of the elders hit on Moore but that is my bias lol) and I know this trade is one sided in Montreal's favor but I still wouldn't do it.
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 43
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Quoting: DomCholette
Bertuzzi is a beast...
you would need to give: Lehky, Poehling, 2021-1st for him... and maybe Juulsen as well... and take a cap dump


you have to add suzuki, caufield, and KK too. i mean this is tyler bertuzzi we're talking about. an absolute stud. he makes mcdavid look like a 4th liner
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 45
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Had trouble signing him. They disagreed. He is still a RFA and next year I see Yzerman paying him if he has the same season that he last year. Also I think that Stecie did this to open up a second buyout. We will see.

Bertuzzi is excited and he likes what Stevie did in the off season. Also Betuzzi lives here with his uncle in the Metro Detroit area. Doubt he is going any where.
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 50
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Forget whether the value is there or not, the Wings have no need to get rid of Bert unless they are compelled to do so....this doesn't even come close.
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29 oct. 2020 à 15 h 53
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you have to add suzuki, caufield, and KK too. i mean this is tyler bertuzzi we're talking about. an absolute stud. he makes mcdavid look like a 4th liner

Nothing @DomCholette said was nearly as drastic as your statement. Poehling isn’t a blue chip prospect and looks like he could potentially become a 3C but there is no guarantee. A first round pick definitely holds the most value (which could be anywhere in the draft and probably lottery protected) out of those three so let’s not act like he was asking for Suzuki ++ for Bert.
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Pass from wings, why would we do this
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29 oct. 2020 à 16 h 5
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Can a team even trade a player awarded a contract though arbitration? It seems like a situation that would be like them matching an offersheet where they can't be traded for 1 year.


That is an excellent question.
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29 oct. 2020 à 16 h 6
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you have to add suzuki, caufield, and KK too. i mean this is tyler bertuzzi we're talking about. an absolute stud. he makes mcdavid look like a 4th liner


ah right because Poehling carries any value and lehkonen is the most admirable asset in the world.

Habs fans inflate their own players values more than any other team in this league to a point where it is funny. I'd honestly rather Bertuzzi over Caufield and KK.... Quit undermining all other players and overrating your own.
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29 oct. 2020 à 16 h 7
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So I did some digging and it seems like you can in fact trade a player who has signed his arbitration agreement. That is odd to me but it is the way it is I guess.

I am not a fan of either Burtuzzi (because of the elders hit on Moore but that is my bias lol) and I know this trade is one sided in Montreal's favor but I still wouldn't do it.


I agree that is pretty odd.
29 oct. 2020 à 16 h 27
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ah right because Poehling carries any value and lehkonen is the most admirable asset in the world.

Habs fans inflate their own players values more than any other team in this league to a point where it is funny. I'd honestly rather Bertuzzi over Caufield and KK.... Quit undermining all other players and overrating your own.


you just said you'd rather have bertuzzi over caufield AND KK and you're saying habs fan inflate their own players?????
29 oct. 2020 à 16 h 31
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Nothing @DomCholette said was nearly as drastic as your statement. Poehling isn’t a blue chip prospect and looks like he could potentially become a 3C but there is no guarantee. A first round pick definitely holds the most value (which could be anywhere in the draft and probably lottery protected) out of those three so let’s not act like he was asking for Suzuki ++ for Bert.


buddy. we're talking about bertuzzi here. he's the next one. im surprised he isn't be considered as the hart winner for next season already
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29 oct. 2020 à 16 h 49
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you just said you'd rather have bertuzzi over caufield AND KK and you're saying habs fan inflate their own players?????


Caufield hasn't touched NHL ice and is about 5 feet tall, and KK is maybe a 3C at best prospect right now.

Bertuzzi is a legit winger in the NHL and capable of putting up 20 goals (on a terrible team), killing penalties, and doing everything right on the ice.

Yeah. I'd rather have Bert.
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29 oct. 2020 à 16 h 54
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ah right because Poehling carries any value and lehkonen is the most admirable asset in the world.

Habs fans inflate their own players values more than any other team in this league to a point where it is funny. I'd honestly rather Bertuzzi over Caufield and KK.... Quit undermining all other players and overrating your own.


Yes us fans to tend to overrate our own players - thankfully our GM doesn't...like Benning does (Roussel, Beagle, Eriksson) and it allows for us to grab good players like Toffoli! Thanks man
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ah right because Poehling carries any value and lehkonen is the most admirable asset in the world.

Habs fans inflate their own players values more than any other team in this league to a point where it is funny. I'd honestly rather Bertuzzi over Caufield and KK.... Quit undermining all other players and overrating your own.


Yes us fans to tend to overrate our own players - thankfully our GM doesn't...like Benning does (Roussel, Beagle, Eriksson) and it allows for us to grab good players like Toffoli! Thanks man
29 oct. 2020 à 16 h 57
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Caufield hasn't touched NHL ice and is about 5 feet tall, and KK is maybe a 3C at best prospect right now.

Bertuzzi is a legit winger in the NHL and capable of putting up 20 goals (on a terrible team), killing penalties, and doing everything right on the ice.

Yeah. I'd rather have Bert.


i can assure you, without any doubt, that yzerman would trade bertuzzi in a heartbeat for caufield or KK. i mean you're comparing a middle 6 winger to an elite prospect and an up and coming elite young centermen.
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an overrated bottom sixer and a 2nd and a few midround picks. This is comedy for detroit. Does nothing to help their team and the value isn't even close


In all seriousness how is Lehkonen overrated? I mean sure Drouin is overrated, Weber, Price, among others. Lehkonen is the last guy on the Habs I'd call overrated. Sure, it is a lopsided trade but to call Lehkonen OVERRATED is just unfair - no one knows who he is.
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How about Toffoli for Perlini, a 2nd and a 3rd?


Okay - I get your point, but Lehkonen holds a lot more value than Brendan Perlini.
 
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