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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 1 heure
Sujet: Not touching anything
A career .911 SV%, regressed the past four years and currently has a .902 SV% this year with .467 QS%. I’m not sure he’d be the target I’m after when guys like Ullmark are hitting FA and can be acquired just using cap space which Detroit has in spades.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Ragsandbluesfan</b></div><div>That seems fine going by the standard that was the grubauer deal, but by that same standard it would make sense for you to take on and buyout Deangelo for us</div></div>
How is this like the Grub deal? Grub in Washington had similar games played (101 vs 93) but also a .923 SV %.

Another recent comp could be Lehner to Buffalo, who a couple years younger (19-23) had 86 games played with a .914 SV for 21st overall. Change the pick to a lower one to account for the difference in performance and age. Even lower if you want ADA bought out.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 4:16 pm
Sujet: FMCU
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>buffbry</b></div><div>What I mean is we are paying for both kempny and palat. Tampa is forced to pay someone to take their players, we wouldn't pay to take an aging player with many years back. We are not giving up any draft picks for any veteran players. Yzerman is obsessed with draft picks and stated many times he won't be moving them. We aren't competing for a cup next year. He traded mantha because he won't be in his prime by the time we are going to be competitive, he wouldn't want 2 older than mantha players who will be way out of their prime for picks. What I'm talking about is gaining an asset to take loui erikson from Vancouver type of deals. He's only signed for 1 more year and we will get picks and prospects for that type of move. Plenty of teams are going to be up against the cap and we will be able to broker those type of deals. Yzerman isn't trading picks to help other teams salary relief at this time. Both trades make 0 sense for the wings, they are going to be playing their kids and make a couple of trades for assets and sign a few guys like they did this offseason to be more competitive. 1-2 year deals max. Unless tampa and wash are paying us to take those players we aren't interested</div></div>
I actually don’t mind the Palat + Kempny deals as they’d easily be flipped at the TDL for a good return and also help our youngsters for the season.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun at 4:14 pm
Sujet: FMCU
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Eli</b></div><div>Vrana might be a better fit at center. Or Nosek, if Vegas needs cap space as badly as Tampa, but Palat is better than Nosek, overall.</div></div>
Vrana has the skating of a center but he doesn’t have enough defensive awareness or active stick for me to say he’d ever be a center in the NHL let alone the experience required to be one. Nosek isn’t anything but a bottom six center, I’m pretty familiar with him as he’s been on the two teams I follow. If you wanted specifically a Czech center then you can look at a short term deal with Krejci this offseason or Fabbri/Ras can fill that role. As <a href="/users/buffbry" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer noopener">@buffbry</a> stated you overpaid Djoos a bunch and Erne a little bit here. I’d also look at upgrading that goalie situation, Forsberg isn’t the solution there and there are a ton of quality net minders (eg Ullmark, Grub, Bernier) hitting FA this offseason. I also don’t think Raymond will start in the NHL but maybe some like Berggren, who actually would really compliment Vrana.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 5:40 pm
Sujet: What does bertuzzi cost
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>Vrana had similar stats with less TOI and far less power play time. From what I've read and heard there are quite a few GM's that thought the trade was about even with just Vrana and the 1st was overkill. Plus we no longer have to deal with Mantha to Montreal trades</div></div>

But you said it was an overpay initially. Sure, most will say that was fair value but there are reports that at least one GM came out and said they’d beat it. I’d say it’s pretty fair as it’s a late first and future second rounder for the difference in Mo to Vrana and taking Panik.

Vrana was also being fed by some of the best playmaking centers and they also tried him on the PP but he wasn’t a good fit based on current personnel. Vrana is also more one dimensional compared to Mo as vast majority of his production comes from the transition.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 3:59 pm
Sujet: I dont trust Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PerpetuallySad</b></div><div>I wouldn’t trade him, I’d simply put him on LTI, which is what I did in this, ask Holland why that would come up but that was not an original thought by me ahahaha. I haven’t compared Holloway’s NHLe to the draft class, but simply to former college players in his age group.

The trade composed in this is a courtesy trade, an offer that has a decent shot at being denied, it’s not an even trade. But that’s offer before the offer sheet.

(Also) long term covid damage does happen, with Heart Attacks and clotting months after recovering from the initial sickness, it’s an unknown. The Hossa explanation was a quick off the top of my head response the the initial “medical clearance” thing with the first guy.</div></div>
Yeah, I was looking at NHLe for league data and then scanned through the 2020 draftees and it’s a bit skewed I’m assuming lack of training camps, etc.

Yeah, we already discussed the OS approach. So Yzerman would just match the OS and call it a day if somehow Holland got the balls to do one. A late first and third rounder don’t have great odds of replicating Vrana.

There are long term effects that I would consider less deadly than the onset of the virus (with some exceptions like organ damage). The only damage that can go on outside of those symptoms would be further organ damage if it went undetected/untreated but the initial start of that would’ve occurred during Covid (doubtful based on the NHL’s Covid and medical protocols). The only documented no respiratory/cold/flu symptoms post Covid according to the CDC is a potential to develop an AIS (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.html). Based on interviews of Neal in January he said he felt much better and needed to work his self into game shape since he missed all of training camp. He was also benched for a good portion of the start of the season. I think we agree that if something medically is wrong with Neal via his bad knees or Covid related he’d go LTIR. I was merely questioning the journalism you quoted from Friedman as I didn’t see it and tried to look it up. If Friedman posted that then just shows his complete lack of knowledge on LTIR &amp; cap or he was just creating content for click bait. Which is was he recently did for Detroit in that he said his insider in the club said Larkin was untouchable and then the next day wrote another article with his speculation of the availability of Larkin. I also only brought up Boychuk as his incident didn’t wasn’t re-injured and he played games, hit the offseason and then went LTIRetire as he could potentially re-injury it again while Hossa’s got progressively worse. Neal’s is unique in that it’s uncharted waters and hasn’t gone LTIRetire (yet) so it looks like we agree on Neal on LTIR if approved by doctors, I merely didn’t like how you belittled Hossa’s Ezcema which we already addressed.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 2:28 pm
Sujet: What does bertuzzi cost
Is probably use Kapanen to determine Bertuzzi’s value. Bert has less control/term than Kap but Bert is the superior player and that draft capitol Toronto received was in a superior draft. You’d have obviously time to negotiate or listen to his ask on next contract too so it’s not just a one year rental.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>After trading Mantha I think it's safe to say Bertuzzi stays in Detroit. If Yzerman was to trade Bertuzzi it would probably look a lot like the Mantha trade which was an overpay. So a player pretty close in value and skill and a 1st. Without the cap dumps.</div></div>
I’m not sure the Mo trade was an overpay. There was an article that said someone talked to another GM and they said they would’ve easily matched Washington’s offer for Mo. If Vrana can round out his game it’ll look a lot better for Detroit.
Forum: Armchair-GMFri at 8:41 am
Sujet: I dont trust Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PerpetuallySad</b></div><div>Hossa came back and played games with his condition, plenty more than Neal, I truly truly couldn’t care less about the intricacies of Hossa’s condition. Belittling or not, it made my point, I’m sorry this is a sore spot for you and you have the flex you’re knowledge of the personal medically history of past NHLers. But I truly do not care.
Elliotte brought up Neal being traded and subsequently going on LTIR, on Sportsnet and the on Oilers Now i believe.

Holloway has the NHLe of Kyle Connor at his age, trading him to get RFA rights to a complementary winger is not worth in any sense. So in this case he would be considered untouchable.
Bensons skating has improved a lot.
Interesting you like Savoie though, he’s not a fantastic skater by any stretch, has a deadly shot though.</div></div>
Like I said Ezcema is a progressive medical condition that he’s been taking biweekly visits since 2013 so of course he played with the condition. I even explained sores/lesions on his body playing in relation with his hockey equipment. The part you’re missing is it’s progressive and can continue to get worse while with Covid the damage is caused when the virus is active (~2 weeks). So Hossa’s condition got worse and didn’t respond to medication like it did prior making even more unmanageable. With Boychuk like I referenced came back and played but then during the offseason there was no news of re-injury to his eye and then LTIRetired which is why I said would be a better comp.

NHLe are all of whack currently, look at the AHL stats posted by the same draft class, that’s a lot of superstars coming from one draft. It could be that due to Covid and lack of training camp, practices, etc. that some may have increased stats. It could also be sample size in comparison as he was on fire post-WJC. I like him a lot as a prospect and see him as a top 6 utility guy (C/W) which is why I brought him up and I only brought up Savoie to see who in your system you like or dislike to understand your logic. Statically he’s the only one with a good shot at making a top 6 role out of the 4 currently which is why I would ask for him. Vrana can crack a top 6 and therefore trading him we’d need a great chance to replace him or potential to be better which (Tyler &amp; Cooper) aren’t a fit for this.

I didn’t see the Friedman post/podcast when searching for it but let’s say it’s out there. It doesn’t answer my questions. Why trade him when he can just go LTIR? Is the contract insured, if so how much? Would you be over the cap ceiling therefore not accruing cap space for TDL? It doesn’t make sense because if he is LTIR then you just put him there unless ownership doesn’t want to pay his salary or remaining salary post insurance policy. Injuries occur during the season so even if your over the ceiling chances are you will accrue cap space for the TDL but a significant portion unless big contracts go LTIR for periods of time.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 9:47 pm
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 7:48 pm
Sujet: Would you consider this if you are Tampa
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>In weaker systems like SJS, STL, VGK, BOS he could conceivably be a top prospect. Its all subjective.
I like Bordeleau more, Krebs is obivous, and I'm not counting Studnicka as a prospect as hes got NHL time.
Idk the STL system well but I'd assume hes brighter than Hofer and Im mixed on Kostin - but I could see him being their top guy (I cant remember who they drafted in 2020 if they had a pick; Im blanking).

But just those 4 teams alone he either has a case to be their top prospect (SJS and VGK hes not imo), but close. And STL and BOS I believe he would be (unless I'm forgetting someone which I obviously can be).

The point being; if Seattle wont take it. If Im SJS Id take a first and a prospect. If Tampa is willing to do Colton, Raddysh/BB/Katchouk and a protected first I'd take that offer and I'm assuming TBL would to. No retention on TJ. and wed send back a useable depth player like Nieto (UFA rights obv) plus a prospect with NHL depth caliber like Gregor or Kellman who can play right now in their bottom 6.</div></div>
But you said “ Alnefelt is Tampas best prospect - but he'd also be near the best if not the best on most teams.” Hugo doesn’t touch a first round pick looking at prior trades like Lehner (Ottawa to Buffalo), Bernier (LA to Toronto), and Andersen (Van to Toronto) those are the big ones from the top of my head with a proven track record. So your essentially saying teams that don’t have a prospect worth a first round draft pick, are there some teams that fit criteria? Maybe but doubtful as goalies don’t carry much weight. So looking at the two teams you said he might (STL &amp; BOS) oddly enough I did a little research on STL as I just moved there and they have Neighbours as their top prospect and he’s worth a bit more than Hugo. Boston if you don’t count Studnicka, might honestly be Swayman or Vladar whom are both superior to Hugo. I don’t mean to belittle Hugo but rather point out he isn’t in some elite tier like Knight, Askarov, Wallstedt and the hype train has been on him for a bit.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 6:17 pm
Sujet: Would you consider this if you are Tampa
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>yikes</b></div><div>Tampa has no need to move a potential star prospect tho. Thats why coops is saying this. Alnefelt is Tampas best prospect - but he'd also be near the best if not the best on most teams. Yeah sure like all goalies he could bust more then a usual prospect. But they have other assets to move TJ. No need to use their best.</div></div>
What team would he be the top prospect on? Or are you saying the top goalie prospect because those are two wildly different things. I brought this up pre-WJC and every TB fan said wait till WJC well I did and didn’t see their point on Hugo’s performance on a team that focuses on defense. I’m not even sure he’d beat out Pez for Detroit and we suck at drafting goalies.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 3:32 pm
Sujet: I dont trust Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PerpetuallySad</b></div><div>I think you’ve missed the plot on the whole reason I brought up Hossa, the fact is you can go in LTIR while bein “cleared to play” that is a simple truth. Long term Covid effects are pretty much unknown and it was stated by members of media that if traded Neal will probably go on LTIR for these lingering symptoms.

Holloway is an untouchable simply because of his development curve &amp; the game he brings, it’s not comparable to Benson. Marody plays best carrying the puck, not really what we need in Edmonton, especially when he doesn’t PK.
Benson is a complementary play making winger who carries more value than Marody IMO
Holloway is a two way centre, that pk’s and will eventually fill the 3C or 2LW hole (if everything goes right)
Holloway fits the future, Marody doesn’t really , and benson could, doesn’t mean their any less valuable,
If you would take Savoie over benson &amp; Marody I’d do that in a heart beat</div></div>

You brought up Hossa belittling his condition “it’s just a rash”. I merely called you out for it as you didn’t know much about his condition and how it effected him. A major difference between both of them is that Neal came back after the illness and played games. I have no problem of him (Neal) going LTIR if there is a legit medical condition wrong with him. A better player to bring up in this case would be Boychuk not Hossa.

Why would you trade someone going on LTIR? Is his contract not insured? Are you worried about LTIR accrual? Who said this in main stream media?

No one in the NHL is untouchable especially if they haven’t even stepped foot on the ice in the NHL. Benson is a potential third line winger and I don’t like the odds giving his skating/shot and lack of being dynamic. I merely brought up Savoie as I like him better than those two and honestly I don’t see Detroit giving up a proven asset for a bunch of iffy magic beans. It’s a classic quantity for quality.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 10:00 am
Sujet: Blow this up
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>Not sure about that. Detroit looks like they are a team that is going to start competing here real soon. Yzerman has a core now not sure he is going to take on salary when he soon will have to start handing out extensions.</div></div>
I didn’t see the second trade (Myers, Virtanen) so I’m not sure if I skipped over it or it was added after my comment. Eriksson for a first is a no brainer to me as it’s only one year. Virtanen doesn’t interest me but I remember seeing rumors that teams were interested in him so maybe not that big of a deal. Myers @3M for I think 3 more years would suck as he’d be our bottom pair/depth on the right side going forward. I guess it really depends on the pick or if these are independent trades of each other.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 9:46 am
Sujet: The Future is Bright
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>omg, did you even stop for a second and listen to yourself. What do you think the player was going to say. They screwed me, I can't wait to get out of here?
Even PLD came back and said all the right things. Then he was eventually like F it, trade me.
Teams don't go in there "with a bunch of comparables" and say nothing but nice things about the player. They go in there justifying why they should have to pay them less. Don't you get that. That's why it ends up bad.
The first sign of a problem about to leave is you can't sign a deal and then have arbitration. It's every red flag.
But I'm done arguing. We'll agree to disagree and next year when he bolts you'll get it.</div></div>
PLD played like he was disinterested and that’s putting it nicely, find me one shift where Bert did that. You can’t. PLD also didn’t go through arbitration, he wasn’t eligible. Bertuzzi elaborated on the arbitration process and didn’t need to. He could’ve easily said it’s over, let’s play. Did I say anything about the team going in there saying nice things? No, I didn’t. I said the team goes in there with comps and a statistical analysis which is quantifiable data, hard to argue with numbers. That’s how a professional organization does arbitration and I’m sure Bert is well aware of the process as he elected for it and has an agent plus former NHL family members. So again, I ask do you have any source to support your speculation? Ive provided words straight from Bertuzzi’s &amp; Yzerman’s mouth and CBA verbiage. Even if he does leave it’s not the end of the word, he’s not a core piece that’s going to derail Detroit’s rebuild. If anything it would allow Yzerman the opportunity to get assets back that are better aligned with our new core (Seider, Raymond, Zadina, Larkin). I’m just merely commenting on your post because you’re saying opinions like they’re facts.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 9:20 am
Sujet: I dont trust Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PerpetuallySad</b></div><div>If he chose to play, he could have played, this is my point. Clearance does not = LTIR exempt

Most AHL point leaders are older, Marody 24, Benson 22 are not. Carter Verheage’s having quite the year no?
Holloway is an untouchable in the org, but if Benny isn’t traded he’s in that spot over Holloway.
The fact the have to quarantine is the only reason I suspect them not being with the oilers now considering our bottom 6 is a joke.

An offer sheet compensation for the current contract is a first+third I believe, which I bet is intriguing for a rebuilding team.</div></div>
You can say that about any injury. I’m sorry but I don’t really think you understand eczema and the extent of how much this can hurt in the condition Hossa was in. Your talking about putting on hockey equipment that soaks in sweat rubbing against skin lesions. Think about having blisters all over your body being constantly rubbed or torn while trying to pull a deke or check another player. Now tell me you’re still playing instead of worrying about your quality of life after hockey when this is a legitimate medical diagnosis. We’re talking about a player that obviously wanted to play which is why he did it for so many years.

Both of them have been putting up great numbers in the AHL for a consistent basis. Why were they on the team last year or the year before in a bottom six role? Your bottom six has been bad for multiple years then. Same could be said for guys like Jeremy Bracco, Reid Bouchard, Sam Anas, Cory Conacher, Teemu Pulkinnen, etc. There isn’t a direct correlation as points don’t tell you if a player has a flaw, for instance, Pulkinnen had a bomb of a slapper but didn’t have the time/space in the NHL to use it but posted good AHL numbers. Verheage is one of how many? Odds aren’t great. So Holloway is untouchable but your two top scoring AHLers aren’t seems to go against your original argument that they’re extremely valuable. What about Savoie, where is his value in comparison?

A first + third is okay, depends on the team and the draft. If you tell me it will be a teen pick in 2022 I’m more interested than 32OVR but again it brings up the issue I noted of having 50M cap space next year. We need to hit the floor and ice a team.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 1:20 am
Sujet: I dont trust Holland
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>PerpetuallySad</b></div><div>Except he played with that condition for years, I know it wasn’t nice but it wasn’t like he wasn’t medically cleared to play. He could if he wanted to, because he did. Juss saying someone can’t go on LTIR cause they’re medically cleared is wrong, that was my point.

Edmonton has around 27m , Wings are also rebuilding and idk if you wanna be paying biggg dollars long term through a rebuild, but maybe he does. I know Holland wouldn’t OS, but that’s what I state in the description. I know he wont do most of this. Prolly should peep the top AHL scorers, young kids tearing up the A are absolutely real assets :)</div></div>
Eczema can progressively get worse so even if you had a couple years ago doesn’t make it the same now. He has to get bi-weekly blood tests to monitor side effects from the drugs he was taking dating back to 2013 or so. Eventually the medication wasn’t as effective and he has lesions and puss over his body. Did you know in the CBA that not only a team doctor needed to sign off on this but an independent doctor from the NHL also has to? I get it, I’m a Wings fan so I don’t want the Hawks “getting out of contracts” but this is a legit medical issue so I’m not sure how you can say he was medically cleared when he wasn’t by multiple doctors.

Just a quick glance at Detroit next year we have 7 signed and ~50M in cap space so we have to spend big to hit the floor.

Just because you can score in the AHL doesn’t mean you can hack it in the NHL. Take a look at the John B. Sollenberger Trophy winners. I’ve actually watched both of them play in Bakersfield in prior years as my parents lived there and had season tickets so I’m well aware of who they are. If you value them so highly how about switching them out for Holloway?
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 1:02 am
Sujet: The Future is Bright
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>pharrow</b></div><div>there are plenty of players who have gone through arbitration and left. Matter of fact that's the usual course. Because once guys sit in that it ruins the relationship.
As the team basically has to bad mouth the player as to why they should pay them less and everything falls apart from there.
You act like this is some kind of mystery</div></div>
It’s not a mystery but rather your speculation. You don’t know how each arbitration case goes. What if the team went in there with comps and a statistical analysis to argue their case? Bert said “it’s no hard feelings and understands it’s a business and this will make try harder for his next contract” in the press conference I’ve mentioned. Some players want to leave and others don’t, you can’t put a blanket statement out there because there are tons of variables. Do you even know if he was in the room or was it his agent or both? Who was talking in there? Tons of variables like I said and I’m providing my analysis based on his response (press conference) and no rumors he’s disgruntled.