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BStinson

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Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 16 heures
Sujet: This is what Bertuzzi would cost whether you like it or not
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TrueCanuck</b></div><div>Factors that Red Wings fans seem to forget about because it doesn't get them what they want:
1. Bertuzzi is coming off a major injury that required season ending surgery - teams will be weary of that and wonder if it'll affect his play
2. Bertuzzi is a high end middle 6 winger, not an elite 1st line winger. Teams don't drastically overpay for that.
3. The team acquiring Bertuzzi needs to sign him to a new contract so there's control uncertainty. Bertuzzi has all the leverage in talks right now being 1 year away from UFA with arbitration rights this off-season, teams would want a commitment before overpaying.
4. Detroit doesn't have much leverage. As mentioned, Bertuzzi is 1 year away from UFA with arb rights this year and he's had multiple contract disputes with Detroit in his career. It's clear that the team and the player don't agree on value and it's likely heading to a trade (things could change but right now it looks like that's the path). With only 1 year of control left, a Bertuzzi trade would be treated like a rental unless a long term commitment is in place. &amp; teams don't drastically overpay for player alike Bertuzzi that are rentals - it just doesn't happen.

Wings fans seem to overvalue Bertuzzi on here but don't look at affecting factors that will affect his value. I get it, you want the best return for your favourite team - everyone does. But in no way is Detroit getting an A level prospect like Robertson + 1st and 2nd round picks. That's more than what Vegas paid for Mark Stone WITH an extension. So get real here.

&amp; this is not coming from a Leafs fan, it's coming from an outside perspective. But Wings fans need to lessen the hype train on a Bertuzzi trade or they'll be highly disappointed.</div></div>
Here’s my rebuttal to each of your points.

1. Sure, teams would also have full access to his medical records. Yzerman, stated before the extension he isn’t shopping Bertuzzi so offering scraps doesn’t do anything towards Yzerman’s direction. He wants to be competitive (even as a rebuilder) and loves hustle + 2 way play which is Bertuzzi to a T.

2. What do you mean high-end middle 6 player. When I hear that I think average second liner and phenomal third liner. He’s 92 in scoring the 2 past seasons he was healthy on the worst offensive team in the league. One could argue opportunity but let’s factor in QOC + worst offensive team.

Source: http://www.nhl.com/stats/skaters?reportType=season&amp;seasonFrom=20182019&amp;seasonTo=20192020&amp;gameType=2&amp;position=F&amp;filter=gamesPlayed,gte,1&amp;sort=points,goals,assists&amp;page=1&amp;pageSize=50

3. Mute point, extension in place. Plus, teams are allowed to negotiate when acquiring rights, that’s common in the NHL we literally just saw with a star player (Jones). You also provided an example earlier of this being common with Stone.

4. What multiple contract disputes? One isn’t multiple. Again mute point with the extension and isn’t logical because see point 3. Detroit has leverage on other teams simply for demand. It was rumored 9 teams called about Bertuzzi at the TDL and after seeing what Hyman/Coleman just received and the ability for Detroit to retain or take back dumps only maximizes the value.

I don’t agree with OP’s proposal as they’re not the pieces I’d be interested in and I don’t think Toronto is a great trading partner with Detroit based on surplus. I also believe Bertuzzi will be traded between now and TDL assuming a respectable offer is presented.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: DRW 21-22
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>who is playing victim? Im pointing out that this is something literally every fan base does to literally every other fan base and pretending this is some sort of one sided leafs fans Vs you is ridiculous. And if you dont see bad trades for the leafs posted by other fan bases then you're just not paying attention.
Wings fans do hilariously over rate him and im not going to do your homework for you to find those posts,. You are just as capable as i am for looking at other AGMs.</div></div>
You didn’t have to post in this thread you obviously felt singled out and victimized. It’s simple, ignore the thread and go on with your life unless you have something insightful to say. Your speculation is meaningless and it should be easy to provide a single source if it happens daily. It’s not me being lazy but rather calling out your poor speculation which you can’t support. You say Detroit overrates him but I’ve clearly outlined in post 2 of this ACGM why Leaf fans get pushback. There are a couple Detroit fans that post outlandish comments in response, mainly because this type of ACGM happens too often. Don’t like my reasoning, then provide a logical reason to post 2.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 21 heures
Sujet: DRW 21-22
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>im saying that it's comical that you think that this is type of revenge post is
1-not over done to the point of parody and boring
2-not hypocritical as hell considering how much other fanbases try and rip each other off and offer 5th round picks for useful leafs players every day.

oh no, people post bad proposals, welcome to the internet.</div></div>
I have yet to see a single 5th round pick for useful Leafs, let alone daily. What I do see is pitiful multiple times daily Leaf ACGMs trying to get Bertuzzi for pennies and then when they get pushback they berate the player. It’s just like the Mantha to Montreal posts earlier in the season. When Leaf fans stop posting garbage towards other fan bases with such a high frequency then I’ll understand, hard to play victim right now. You yourself in this thread said Wing fans overrate him but didn’t give any examples. Could it be that he’s a top 6 gritty winger that competed night in and out that Yzerman isn’t shopping so why sell low? You can say well he just had back surgery but who are we kidding? These teams get the medical records in any negotiations.
Forum: Armchair-GMil y a 22 heures
Forum: Armchair-GMThu at 8:36 pm
Sujet: eichel
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>habsfan_19</b></div><div>FYI I been watching hockey for five years I started watching when I was turning 7 and u prob started watching when Vegas came into the league and again that’s not my point I’m saying they disrespect their players and that the fan base is lucky bc they never had any bad seasons</div></div>
VGK is my second team, I’m a Detroit fan (profile pic) and have been following the sport for more than four years. I don’t even know why I’m writing this out because you clearly are having a hard time articulate any point as to why Caufield is worth more than Eichel. I get it you’re new to the sport and young so you don’t have fully developed thought process or experiences to relate to so I don’t mean to this to be mean. Clearly you think Caufield is some generational scorer like Ovie but that’s far from the truth. Could he be a 30 goal scorer in the NHL some day sure, maybe even 40 at some point (much lower chance). Here’s some universal facts, defensemen &amp; centers are positionally more import and thus have more value than wingers especially small offensive wingers. You pointed to an NCAA goal total which is irrelevant because most elite prospects have graduated to playing pro by then (same is said about his NTDP production). You pointed to 2 goals in a season where he was injured and still close to PPG and easily outpaced your whole team. He’d easily be the most important player on your team without question.