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Keeping Pietrangelo and letting Gunnarsson go part 2 the 2022ing

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Date de création initiale: 20 juill. 2020
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ok so I misspelled the captain's name in the title of the first one becuase typos are my life, but this is jumping off from here https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/342647?post_id=1563319
Pietrangelo Dunn and DLR are all continuations of the contact form the previous post
as is the first for a 4th to detroit from the Steen trade and the 3rd form the NJD
Jets for a 7th is teh palceholder for taken by Seatlle
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20 juill. 2020 à 11 h 6
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Well the good news is that you’ll get Perron back in a year.
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20 juill. 2020 à 11 h 9
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Ah yes another person who did their research ... not

Come on dude, how many Centers do the bruins currently have on their team? (Bergy, Krejci, Coyle, Kuraly, Lindholm) - thats 5, three of which was top 6 guys
How many center prospects do the bruins have? (Studnicka, Beecher, Frederick, JFK) - thats 4 (their most prospects) with two of them being top 6 projected.

The Bruins LAST need is a center. They reject
20 juill. 2020 à 11 h 10
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Ah yes another person who did their research ... not

Come on dude, how many Centers do the bruins currently have on their team? (Bergy, Krejci, Coyle, Kuraly, Lindholm) - thats 5, three of which was top 6 guys
How many center prospects do the bruins have? (Studnicka, Beecher, Frederick, JFK) - thats 4 (their most prospects) with two of them being top 6 projected.

The Bruins LAST need is a center. They reject


Blais plays wing.....that’s all he’s been playing in St.Louis lately.
20 juill. 2020 à 11 h 10
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Ah yes another person who did their research ... not

Come on dude, how many Centers do the bruins currently have on their team? (Bergy, Krejci, Coyle, Kuraly, Lindholm) - thats 5, three of which was top 6 guys
How many center prospects do the bruins have? (Studnicka, Beecher, Frederick, JFK) - thats 4 (their most prospects) with two of them being top 6 projected.

The Bruins LAST need is a center. They reject


Blais is a winger
20 juill. 2020 à 11 h 14
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Will pass, rather keep the pick.
20 juill. 2020 à 11 h 36
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Well the good news is that you’ll get Perron back in a year.



Magic. Post of the week.
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20 juill. 2020 à 11 h 46
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Well the good news is that you’ll get Perron back in a year.


All seriousness, Perron has way more value then a 7th rounder...especially in division. 25 goals and 60 points gets you a 7th rounder??
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20 juill. 2020 à 11 h 50
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Quoting: Silkysmooth42
Ah yes another person who did their research ... not

Come on dude, how many Centers do the bruins currently have on their team? (Bergy, Krejci, Coyle, Kuraly, Lindholm) - thats 5, three of which was top 6 guys
How many center prospects do the bruins have? (Studnicka, Beecher, Frederick, JFK) - thats 4 (their most prospects) with two of them being top 6 projected.

The Bruins LAST need is a center. They reject


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Blais plays wing.....that’s all he’s been playing in St.Louis lately.


Quoting: dp6154
Blais is a winger


Lmao guy who didnt do his research trying to call out someone for not doing their research, the irony
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20 juill. 2020 à 12 h 0
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All seriousness, Perron has way more value then a 7th rounder...especially in division. 25 goals and 60 points gets you a 7th rounder??


did you read the description? That's just a placeholder for the Seattle expansion pick
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20 juill. 2020 à 12 h 5
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Team looks solid, but lots of contracts up in 2 years, which could make things tricky --Tarasenko, O'Reilly, Sanford, Dunn, Kyrou, Barbashev, and Sundqvist. Could be in a tough spot by then if the cap doesn't go up much more that year.
20 juill. 2020 à 12 h 7
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Would rather move Barbashev and/or pay him less than get rid of Blais, especially if it means MacEachern (who I love) is playing on the third line.
20 juill. 2020 à 12 h 22
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No way I'd trade Blais for a 3rd
20 juill. 2020 à 12 h 25
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Would rather move Barbashev and/or pay him less than get rid of Blais, especially if it means MacEachern (who I love) is playing on the third line.


that's fair he's a likeable talented player and in that case Barbie just walks.

I personally like Barbie more and think Doug does too because he's a good defensive forward that can play center or wing and has put up over 25 points in a season twice over the slightly below average defensive winger who can throw the **** out of his weight around but has never put up even 15 points and only barely put up a 25 point pace once that is Sammy Blais. To me and I assume Armstrong that's worth the extra half mil, especially when you can find what value, however small, you can get for Blais.

If you can find another worthwhile and easy to make happen $600k of space I think Macmac gets moved over Blais and we all win but I think that takes enough gymnastics with the roster for a pwinger who doesn't mean that much that I can't see Doug not just moving Blais (or hell maybe Bortuzzo instead but he also likes Bortuzzo and I'm not sure who replaces him at RD - or LD if you move Faulk back to the right - for the minimum to make him movable since i'm assuming Mikkola has already made the jump)
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Quoting: Sicarius
No way I'd trade Blais for a 3rd


what value would you move a bottom 6 forward for?
20 juill. 2020 à 13 h 49
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Quoting: BeastModeUnknown
Blais plays wing.....that’s all he’s been playing in St.Louis lately.


Quoting: dp6154
Blais is a winger


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Lmao guy who didnt do his research trying to call out someone for not doing their research, the irony


Funny how i did my research and for some reason everywhere im looking it says Center
I guess its the same as people tryna say Coyle is ONLY a Center (when in reality he also plays RW)

My mistake, but your comeback is still just messed up
Also bruins still reject, what he need is RHD prospects (and even then we dont actually need them considering we have McAvoy, Carlo, Clifton, and Lauzon (who is Lefty but plays both sides)
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20 juill. 2020 à 14 h 27
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Would rather move Barbashev and/or pay him less than get rid of Blais, especially if it means MacEachern (who I love) is playing on the third line.


I find myself looking at Walker getting a higher role too Sanford should probably be one to leave tho. He’s inconsistent
20 juill. 2020 à 14 h 30
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Funny how i did my research and for some reason everywhere im looking it says Center
I guess its the same as people tryna say Coyle is ONLY a Center (when in reality he also plays RW)

My mistake, but your comeback is still just messed up
Also bruins still reject, what he need is RHD prospects (and even then we dont actually need them considering we have McAvoy, Carlo, Clifton, and Lauzon (who is Lefty but plays both sides)


I’m sure Blais can play Center but he plays wing. I’d say you are all around solid maybe some depth forwards but you most could use Defense and a Goalie if Rask retires. (I hope he doesn’t because he’s one of my favorite goalies)
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I’m sure Blais can play Center but he plays wing. I’d say you are all around solid maybe some depth forwards but you most could use Defense and a Goalie if Rask retires. (I hope he doesn’t because he’s one of my favorite goalies)


Thats the thing, we need top tier prospects, but we have wayyyy to many decent-good prospects at every position (except for RHD)

Goaltending is: Vladar (who was an AHL BEAST last year), Swayman (shoulda won the Hobey Baker), and Keyser (who was very good in the OHL last year, but this past year had a drop off)
20 juill. 2020 à 14 h 37
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I’m sure Blais can play Center but he plays wing. I’d say you are all around solid maybe some depth forwards but you most could use Defense and a Goalie if Rask retires. (I hope he doesn’t because he’s one of my favorite goalies)


fine on both spectrums. if we get another 2 years out of rask I guarantee swayman is in the nhl and dominating. In terms of Defense: vaak, grz, zboril/moore/lauzon on left and mcavoy, carlo, clifton/lauzon/moore on right d will be fine. I feel pretty confident in the dcorp. im actually more worried about the offense as i dont know if we have a real 1c. I hope studnicka can assume that role but i dont know it. I think frederic and beecher are more middle 6 centers but i could always be proven wrong.
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20 juill. 2020 à 14 h 41
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I find myself looking at Walker getting a higher role too Sanford should probably be one to leave tho. He’s inconsistent


do what? Look I get on a value for the money level him being maybe the least worth it depending on what he costs, but the dude who has played best on the left of ROR, who has put up 20 and 30 points respectively, being on pace for 30 & 40 points respectively, all while looking the best in the playoffs including looking greet in the SCF & putting up over 50% CF%& xGF% would ahve to be pretty expoensive to be the one not to keep and he just doesn't really cost that much? Why are people so blindly in love with Blais?

I get it, he isn't terrible, his slapper against Bishop in the playoffs was fun, he had a good AHL year and he doesn't look like he's drowning on a top 6 line, but he's a bottom 6 player who makes some hits. Please everyone, get over him, he's an ok player that's really it
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Thats the thing, we need top tier prospects, but we have wayyyy to many decent-good prospects at every position (except for RHD)

Goaltending is: Vladar (who was an AHL BEAST last year), Swayman (shoulda won the Hobey Baker), and Keyser (who was very good in the OHL last year, but this past year had a drop off)


everyone wants top tier prospects but team make lots of smaller moves in the meantime to fill needs, Blais fits here. If you want me to find another team who would do Blais for a 3rd that's fine, that's just a good price for him and Boston seemed like a good fit
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I’m sure Blais can play Center but he plays wing. I’d say you are all around solid maybe some depth forwards but you most could use Defense and a Goalie if Rask retires. (I hope he doesn’t because he’s one of my favorite goalies)


yeah Raask is hella fun to watch and super underrated. I'm very VERY happy we beat him in the SCF but I love Raask
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yeah Raask is hella fun to watch and super underrated. I'm very VERY happy we beat him in the SCF but I love Raask


I truly think that series goes so differently if grz doesnt get boarded.
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I truly think that series goes so differently if grz doesnt get boarded.


If we go that route, I'm sure it goes the same maybe better for the Blues if Krug doesn't take a dirty headshot at Thomas ending his series. At least the Gryz boarding won't be looked at as an admirable highlight moment for years to come because of some cool hair.

Either way, unfortunately there is a terrible "tough guy" culture and "Playoffs are a gauntlet" narrative in the sport and best we can do is celebrate the success of our teams that did happen & work to push those attitudes out of it because nobody should like those dirty hits and most people don't but even the cleanest players are driven to dole them out in the playoffs for glory & self preservation (hit them before they hit you)
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that's fair he's a likeable talented player and in that case Barbie just walks.

I personally like Barbie more and think Doug does too because he's a good defensive forward that can play center or wing and has put up over 25 points in a season twice over the slightly below average defensive winger who can throw the **** out of his weight around but has never put up even 15 points and only barely put up a 25 point pace once that is Sammy Blais. To me and I assume Armstrong that's worth the extra half mil, especially when you can find what value, however small, you can get for Blais.

If you can find another worthwhile and easy to make happen $600k of space I think Macmac gets moved over Blais and we all win but I think that takes enough gymnastics with the roster for a pwinger who doesn't mean that much that I can't see Doug not just moving Blais (or hell maybe Bortuzzo instead but he also likes Bortuzzo and I'm not sure who replaces him at RD - or LD if you move Faulk back to the right - for the minimum to make him movable since i'm assuming Mikkola has already made the jump)


The thing with Barbashev is his advanced stats are really not good. This season, Barbashev's Goals Above Replacement is -5 (despite him scoring 10+ goals). Wins Above Replacement is -1, versus Blais' 0.3 and 0.1 in those categories (basically neutral). He's a lot of fun to watch, he scores some goals, he's physical and fights people and that's all well and good, but it's not translating to effectiveness anywhere other than the PK (and I question how much of that is really him and how much of that is him playing with Sundqvist). His defensive metrics at even strength are abysmal. So this whole thing that he's "really good defensively" I think is a reputation that has been mistakenly developed.

It's true that Blais can't play center like Barbashev can, but I would say he's actually more versatile because he can play higher up in the lineup than Barbashev, who I think can't really elevate above the fourth line. I would also say Blais has gotten better every year he's been in the league. It's also allocation of resources- you're already paying Sundqvist 2.75 million to be a fourth liner, which is kind of a lot even though that's a fine contract. I don't know if we should really tie up more million+ contracts in the fourth line. Blais, at least, would be a third liner in this scenario, and, since he has more upside, perhaps higher.

That's why looking at straight points can be misleading- it's no good to put up a bunch of points if people also are putting up a bunch of points against you (the royal you) because you actively made it easier for them to do that- which is what the metrics tell us about Barabshev. People look past that though because he scores some goals.

The real solution is that if Pietrangelo stays there is absolutely no reason to have Faulk on this roster and we should do everything we can to move him. We have more effective options for him in the top four on both hands, so it's a third pairing defensman being payed 6.5 million and not contributing to special teams and that is a worse use of cap space than any combination of Barbashev/Blais/MacEachern.
 
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