I’d be interested if Colorado would go for that.

honestly thats the best trade for both sides. Toronto gets a top 4 rhd and Edmonton gets a top 6 potential wing who is good both offensively and defensively.

That's a no from COL

That Bear trade is a TOR fleece imo. Kapanen has had 2 of his last 3 years be under replacement level (GAR). Hes not good defensively either. I think EDM could get much more for Ethan bear.

Agreed. Kap doesn’t get you bear. That trade needs to die

Not really trades fair as per the following

in terms of Kaps value a recent post looked into his numbers and it was surprising.
Kaspari Kapanen - Even Strength Points Per 82-Games:

2018-19 (22 years old) = 44 Even Strength Points
2019-20 (23 years old) = 36 Even Strength Points (69 games) full season projected 42-45 points

- That's in roughly 13 even-strength minutes per game (with lots of PK time and no PP time).
- It also projects to 60+ total points if he's given a full time spot on a teams power-play unit.
- He's very solid defensively and is much more valuable than people here want to admit.
- And his contract adds even more value ($3,200,000 x 3 years with an RFA expiry at 25).

Compare that to someone like Zucker (Return = 1st + B+ prospect + Galchenyuk).

2018-19 (27 years old) = 28 Even Strength Points
2019-20 (28 years old) = 40 Even Strength Points

- He's 5 years older and in his late prime.
- His cap-hit is $2,300,000 higher with similar term.
- He was getting more ES ice-time than Kapanen.

I could prove the exact same point with a bunch of older guys like:

- Gabriel Pageau (Return = 1st + 2nd + 3rd)
- Blake Coleman (Return = 1st + A level prospect)

But Kapanen's ES production is more in line with guys like:

- Barzal
- Keller
- Monahan
- DeBrincat
- Seguin

The only major difference is that they get PP ice-time.

(Not my words someone else posted this)


So it's pretty fair. Also bear had 1 good season so leafs take all the risk as there is no guarantee he will do well again.

I guess u have never watched kapenan, he is very good defensively? He is a 2-way RW who is very good on the leafs ok next to hyman and marner. Bear in general had 1 good season so no guarantee he does it again. Trades pretty fair for both sides

kapenan. in his past 3 years hes been above replacement level defensive wise one time. and that one year what was his EVD GAR? 0.1. if you call that 2 way i think im gonna start calling Leon Draisaitl a 2 way player.

Draisaitl is a goal scorer plain and simple. Him and defense are 2 words and that don't go together. He is very inconsistent. Only reason he's on their pk was the fact their defensive depth was terrible.


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Do your math again. I don't know or care where they fit in the grade scheme of things, just get the numbers correct.
18/19: 14g/20a, 34p (5v5), 17g/22a, 39p (ESP)
19/20: 10g/17a, 27p (5v5), 11g/20a, 31p (ESP)

Those arent my numbers I got it from another person's post. It's in one of the leaf trade posts I believe with the buffalo one or one of the posts involving the leafs

That's why I said in the bottom not my words someone else posted this

We all just gonna ignore he paid Yam 3.3M when hes gonna be playing on Drais wing for 2 full seasons before hes an RFA

Good thing cause the leafs don't do it

Oilers say no to hurricanes and Toronto. Both of those deals I think are very silly. Sheahan will cost about double that 1.8 range. Colorado trade I’m interested in doing now if they are. That actually looks very interesting from both sides great job with that one. Devils deal I’m not interested in moving benson right now but given this is trade doesn’t happen right away it depends heavily on what benson does from now till then. Very interesting deal there too good job

And buying out neal is a no go why not toss a pick at Seattle to take him over Kassian? Save 2 million of dead space and keep kassain

Easy no from Carolina. There's no one worth trading Pesce for on the Oilers, let alone in the package. We need a top 6winger, ironically it's one of your needs too

Might not want to use a random persons post to prove a point. The numbers are incorrect.

Kapanen would be a great addition for the Oilers.

Not sure what purpose acquiring Athanasiou would have for Colorado.

Colorado are a team that value analytics highly, and his career 47.4 CF% and 47.0 FF% is pretty unimpressive.

He's also not a forward who plays on the PK, which significantly reduces his value to Colorado.

As for the trade value... He cost 2 2nd's at the deadline, but typically deadline prices are higher than offseason prices. He also hasn't really done well since being traded with just 1 goal and 1 assist in 9 games so his value hasn't exactly gone up.

Athanasiou might be worth a 2nd + 3rd right now, which is about what Jost's value is as well. Jost plays the more valuable position though and is also younger and cheaper. Jost is also better defensively.

Needless to say, under no circumstances would Colorado be adding anything significant (if anything at all) to a trade involving a swap between Jost and Athanasiou. But as I said before, Athanasiou isn't really a player of interest to Colorado anyhow.

Zucker is clear cut better than Kap. He struggled the last 2 seasons but he’s put up 30+ goals and he’s poised to do it again now that he’s on Pittsburgh. Despite struggling he still put up similar numbers to Kap last year and better numbers this year. Zero chance a team pays a first + very good prospect + NHL player for Kappanen. Kap also isn’t good defensively just because he plays PK. Kap has become one of the most overrated players on CapFriendly. He’s a 40-50 ish point winger with speed. He’s good, but he’s not bringing in Edmonton’s top pairing RHD. Could he eclipse 50 points? Forsure he could. But he hasn’t yet so he’s not a 50 or even 60 point player.

kapenen is better than bear no doubt about it but do the oilers have a player than replace bear's minutes. They don't so that is why the oilers don't do that
Pesce is basically untouchable
I wouldn't do that AA deal
Zacha isn't that good