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Créé par: NickC1988
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Date de création initiale: 15 août 2019
Publié: 15 août 2019
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Marner doesn't owe Toronto a bridge deal, a hometown discount, or anything in that aspect. Just because he plays wing doesn't mean he's not an elite talent. It is completely fair for him to ask for 10,000,000 on a 3 year deal, hell 11x5 years is fair too.

Nylander was upset Tavares got 11 million and then TOR didn't want to pay him. He waited it out, he practiced with garbage U20 teams, finally got his money, and what happened? He underperformed severely. Does TOR want that to happen with Mitch? I doubt it.

Marner is in a similar situation. Matthews got his money, but TOR is paying him more because he's a center? Marner doesn't care about position. All he knows is he outproduced BOTH Tavares and Matthews. Why should he take a pay cut because Matthews and Tavares got paid? Oh and Nylander is yet to break 70 points in a season and got $6.9 per year.

Everyone says "Look at Kucherov, he took that 3 year deal at under $5 per." And what did Tampa win with Kuch taking that pay cut? They didn't even get to the finals. I bet you Kucherov is upset he left so much money on the table and he got hosed. Still no cup ring, and who knows how many millions he missed out on.

Has anyone been to basic Philosphy/psychology class at some point? It is human nature to be greedy and/or selfish. That is universal amongst all theories, psychologists, and philosophers. You may consider him greedy and selfish (I honestly don't think he is), but at the end of the day, he's trying to do what would make him happiest. Everyone else got paid, why can't he?

You work somewhere, you get an annual review, you performed as well as, if not better than, all your coworkers. You go into your review and get less than them. How would you feel? (I get it, these guys are millionaires, but my point isn't related to the money). Would you feel under appreciated? I know I would.

Let the discussion begin.
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15 août 2019 à 20 h 56
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Well said. Completely agree.
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15 août 2019 à 20 h 57
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What in tarnation
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And the next thing we're gonna hear is someone talking about advanced statistics...
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15 août 2019 à 21 h 16
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Well said. Completely agree.


Maybe you said something like that on your podcast, nobady knows
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15 août 2019 à 21 h 18
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FINALLY THANK YOU

Those stupid delusional Leafs fans crying because he wants to get paid lmao

They were happy when he was putting pts every game and doing all; suddenly, just because he wants what he deserves for all of this, they're triggered hahaha typical Toronto

And then the idiot of Berkshire with " Is Marner the most overrated player in the league? " Yeah, maybe a bit but there's all that hype because he's like the best RFA and most importantly, because he is from Toronto. Toronto Spots Network and LeafsNet do everything to post anything who has a link with TML so

Not his fault Dubas overpays Nylander, Matthews and signs Tavares

Watch them in January when he'll lead them and they will be " Marner is the best player in the league ", " Marner = the goat ", #MarnerForHart " hahahahahaha
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15 août 2019 à 21 h 18
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FINALLY THANK YOU

Those stupid delusional Leafs fans crying because he wants to get paid lmao

They were happy when he was putting pts every game and doing all; suddenly, just because he wants what he deserves for all of this, they're triggered hahaha typical Toronto

And then the idiot of Berkshire with " Is Marner the most overrated player in the league? " Yeah, maybe a bit but there's all that hype because he's like the best RFA and most importantly, because he is from Toronto. Toronto Spots Network and LeafsNet do everything to post anything who has a link with TML so

Watch them in January when he'll lead them and they will be " Marner is the best player in the league ", " Marner = the goat ", #MarnerForHart " hahahahahaha



I know I talked more about their fans than Marner but still, feels good cool tears of joy
15 août 2019 à 21 h 19
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Maybe you said something like that on your podcast, nobady knows


True but I doubt the 5 people that listen are on this site haha *holds in the tears*
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15 août 2019 à 21 h 49
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Lol! Okay, Paul.

I think my ten year old son has a better grasp on philosophy/psychology than you do. Or Paul. Or Ferris. Or Dreger. Or possibly Mitch.

Start with the stoics, then get back to me.
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15 août 2019 à 21 h 51
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I hate this team
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This is so true, great job????
15 août 2019 à 21 h 58
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It is classic leafs fan to spend forever talking about how great their players are until it's time to pay them
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 9
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False. Marner owes the leafs everything. His life. His wife on their wedding night. His first born child. His second born child. His fourth born child. Two tacos. Everything.
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 15
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Leafs fans agree that Marner is a premier talent.... Kane with three cups got 10.5.... Kuch gets 9.5x8 with 120 points and leafs owe Marner with 94 points over 10x3 ?
I might not be good at Math but that doesn't seem to add up.
He doesn't owe Toronto a discount but market value looks like its around 9.5x5 doesn't it?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
Leafs have offered him 10-11mil at 7 years... is that not fair ? I don't think you can say they don't want to pay him with that report. he'd be the 2nd highest paid winger in the league, assuming it was over10.5
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 22
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Leafs fans agree that Marner is a premier talent.... Kane with three cups got 10.5.... Kuch gets 9.5x8 with 120 points and leafs owe Marner with 94 points over 10x3 ?
I might not be good at Math but that doesn't seem to add up.
He doesn't owe Toronto a discount but market value looks like its around 9.5x5 doesn't it?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
Leafs have offered him 10-11mil at 7 years... is that not fair ? I don't think you can say they don't want to pay him with that report. he'd be the 2nd highest paid winger in the league, assuming it was over10.5


Percentage of cap. 10.5 million 4 or 5 years ago doesnt compare to 10.5 million now.

Kucherov signed that before his 120 point season and lives in a no tax state.

Things change, otherwise no one would make more than gretzky or lemieux did
15 août 2019 à 22 h 31
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Percentage of cap. 10.5 million 4 or 5 years ago doesnt compare to 10.5 million now.

Kucherov signed that before his 120 point season and lives in a no tax state.

Things change, otherwise no one would make more than gretzky or lemieux did


Ugh. Really?
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 35
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Leafs fans agree that Marner is a premier talent.... Kane with three cups got 10.5.... Kuch gets 9.5x8 with 120 points and leafs owe Marner with 94 points over 10x3 ?
I might not be good at Math but that doesn't seem to add up.
He doesn't owe Toronto a discount but market value looks like its around 9.5x5 doesn't it?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills
Leafs have offered him 10-11mil at 7 years... is that not fair ? I don't think you can say they don't want to pay him with that report. he'd be the 2nd highest paid winger in the league, assuming it was over10.5


This is a circular argument towards insanity that only Dreger, Paul, Ferris and this chub who made this agm can understand.

Greed is not the fundamental driver for human beings. But it is for some nitwits
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 37
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Ugh. Really?


Yes, really. Everything I said is true
15 août 2019 à 22 h 39
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Yes, really. Everything I said is true


Lol. Ok, little Jerry Seinfeld. Must be cold water.. some shrinkage? That's why it's so short with you??
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 40
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J.T. should have been signed for 1 season, than Dubas should have signed his 3 amigos and than see if the money left over would be enough to resign J.T. for a hometown discount. Dubas did this all ass backwards.
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 42
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J.T. should have been signed for 1 season, than Dubas should have signed his 3 amigos and than see if the money left over would be enough to resign J.T. for a hometown discount. Dubas did this all ass backwards.


Man. The philosopher kings are out in force tonight.
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 43
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Lol. Ok, little Jerry Seinfeld. Must be cold water.. some shrinkage? That's why it's so short with you??


Nice try buddy
15 août 2019 à 22 h 44
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FINALLY THANK YOU

Those stupid delusional Leafs fans crying because he wants to get paid lmao

They were happy when he was putting pts every game and doing all; suddenly, just because he wants what he deserves for all of this, they're triggered hahaha typical Toronto

And then the idiot of Berkshire with " Is Marner the most overrated player in the league? " Yeah, maybe a bit but there's all that hype because he's like the best RFA and most importantly, because he is from Toronto. Toronto Spots Network and LeafsNet do everything to post anything who has a link with TML so

Not his fault Dubas overpays Nylander, Matthews and signs Tavares

Watch them in January when he'll lead them and they will be " Marner is the best player in the league ", " Marner = the goat ", #MarnerForHart " hahahahahaha


I don’t know who’s take is worse, yours or the OP. Nice to see that the leafs live rent free in your heads. But you can’t argue people’s opinions. Personally I don’t think marner is overly greedy... as far as humans go. Not exactly thrilled with his camps negotiation through media tactics. Think most of it has been in poor taste. Think most fans want him to take a fair deal. At the end of all this we need him to be happy and performing.
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 45
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Man. The philosopher kings are out in force tonight.


From the first hour after the J.T. signing everyone knew the Cap Hell Dubas put the Leafs in, with his 3 young stars unsigned. Are you arguing that fact ?
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 46
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Nice try buddy


Not your buddy, shrinkage.
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 50
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From the first hour after the J.T. signing everyone knew the Cap Hell Dubas put the Leafs in, with his 3 young stars unsigned. Are you arguing that fact ?


Not really. Mostly arguing against stupidity at this point. The leafs, with LTIR allowance, have almost exactly 10 55M I cao space, or damn near the 4 firsts OS threshold.

Or, another way to look at it... more than enough to sign Marner to an overpaid contract.

Hardly cap hell
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15 août 2019 à 22 h 57
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Not really. Mostly arguing against stupidity at this point. The leafs, with LTIR allowance, have almost exactly 10 55M I cao space, or damn near the 4 firsts OS threshold.

Or, another way to look at it... more than enough to sign Marner to an overpaid contract.

Hardly cap hell


Short sighted Dubas, how do you rebuild the D-Corps next season after capping out the future? 4 out of the Leafs top 7 Dmen are UFA, looking for a pay check and Dermott also is RFA looking for big raise. This is beyond cap hell.
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15 août 2019 à 23 h 3
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Short sighted Dubas, how do you rebuild the D-Corps next season after capping out the future? 4 out of the Leafs top 7 Dmen are UFA, looking for a pay check and Dermott also is RFA looking for big raise. This is beyond cap hell.


Ah man. Apparently there's this thing called rookies. And they come with elcs. And there's this guy lily. And another named Sandin. And there's more. Every team tries this rookie thing out eventually.

And theres more than enough cap space to keep one of Barrie or Muzzin, if they choose to. Lots of agms have shown how it can be done.

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