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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch

24 mars à 20 h 19
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Nick Robertson throwing his hat in the ring for Dumbest Penalty of the Year. Braindead high sticking Penalty with the Leafs down 2 - 0 in Raleigh.


He repents!
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24 mars à 20 h 43
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Didn't realize how close the Presidents' trophy race is this year. The top 6 teams have one point separating them, and if Dallas wins tonight, they join that pile!
24 mars à 20 h 48
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Walker is 2x the player of Liljegren. He's a 2nd Pair guy on 30 teams in the league. Super smart and a two way player not just an offensive specialist.


That's just not true... Lilly's better than Walker in both senses but has one brain dead play every 4/5 games
24 mars à 22 h 44
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Told ya two "Leafs" would get 50G's this yr...
Way to go Kyle!!!
25 mars à 11 h 50
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Operation Make Vegas Feel Like Everybody Else has the sexiest blues practice lines.

Neighbours-Thomas-Schenn
Saad-Buchnevich-Kyrou
Toropchenko-Hayes-Kapanen
Walker-Sundqvist-Blais

Leddy-Parayko
Krug-Kessel
Perunovich-Faulk

This group will give vegas a problem. This is my favorite lineup possible. Either the Thomas line or Kyrou line will have a free for all, the defense is dynamic all the way down, and the bottom 6 can score.
25 mars à 15 h 14
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On the LTIR issue:

I'd be less doubtful over how it is being used and the coincidence of those players being available at exactly the right time, if there were also instances of players coming back at the wrong time and throwing a wrench into the whole thing to force their team over the cap.
25 mars à 15 h 23
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Quoting: ricochetii
On the LTIR issue:

I'd be less doubtful over how it is being used and the coincidence of those players being available at exactly the right time, if there were also instances of players coming back at the wrong time and throwing a wrench into the whole thing to force their team over the cap.


Honestly the solution could just be a more straight forward recovery timelines or rather all injured players must do rehab with a private NHL medical team that is not affiliated with any of the 32 teams but employed by the NHL front office and who can dictate when a guy is or is not ready to come back

That way cant just hide away a guy till playoffs unless he is legit hurt till then
25 mars à 16 h 11
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Quoting: aadoyle
Honestly the solution could just be a more straight forward recovery timelines or rather all injured players must do rehab with a private NHL medical team that is not affiliated with any of the 32 teams but employed by the NHL front office and who can dictate when a guy is or is not ready to come back

That way cant just hide away a guy till playoffs unless he is legit hurt till then


Or just get rid of the hard cap 🤷‍♂️
25 mars à 16 h 13
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Or just get rid of the hard cap 🤷‍♂️


That will cause the rich teams to become OP

The big 3 TOR, NYR, MTL would just outbid most of the teams for their players

Would also cause players to demand more money from teams to stay

Small market teams would have trouble with player retention and potentially collapse
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25 mars à 16 h 20
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That will cause the rich teams to become OP

The big 3 TOR, NYR, MTL would just outbid most of the teams for their players

Would also cause players to demand more money from teams to stay

Small market teams would have trouble with player retention and potentially collapse


Works just fine in the NBA
25 mars à 16 h 24
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Works just fine in the NBA


Small market teams have a lot off issues and often complain

The way they have done well is smart drafting and development but they often struggle through luring these big name free agents due to them getting outbid

Also when it comes to player retention they struggle. Often these big names go to the Lakers, Miami, Boston, etc either through asking for way to much or other factors.

It got bad enough to where the NBA started having to introduce new policies and cap rules.
25 mars à 17 h 14
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Works just fine in the NBA


You sure you want to point at the NBA? I'll point at the MLB where the Dodgers, Yankees and Mets have been just throwing money to anything that moves while smaller market teams are barely fielding decent teams
25 mars à 17 h 18
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You sure you want to point at the NBA? I'll point at the MLB where the Dodgers, Yankees and Mets have been just throwing money to anything that moves while smaller market teams are barely fielding decent teams


That's why I pointed to the NBA and not the MLB. Two completely different systems
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That's why I pointed to the NBA and not the MLB. Two completely different systems


Both systems allow for the big market teams to dominate while the smaller market teams struggle

While the systems may be different concept is still the same.

If either came to the NHL it would cause a lot of problems

The big market teams would thrive while the small market teams will struggle and not just with ticket sales.
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25 mars à 18 h 4
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
That's why I pointed to the NBA and not the MLB. Two completely different systems


Not really, both have systems where you can go over the cap but you pay more money the more you’re over the cap
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25 mars à 22 h 45
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I think the funniest thing I have seen is people trying to argue Zadorov is a top 4 Dman....

If he was why did Van and CGY use him on the third pair.....

Like the amount of people I see giving him 4+m and putting him in their top 4 is mind boggling


Zadorov on a SC contending team is a third pair Dman
26 mars à 9 h 0
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Not really, both have systems where you can go over the cap but you pay more money the more you’re over the cap


Quoting: aadoyle
Both systems allow for the big market teams to dominate while the smaller market teams struggle

While the systems may be different concept is still the same.

If either came to the NHL it would cause a lot of problems

The big market teams would thrive while the small market teams will struggle and not just with ticket sales.


I think what @NorthernLeafsFan05 was the NBA format of salary cap, not the unlimited on the MLB has:

"So, even though NBA owners can't spend unlimited money like MLB owners can, they can still go over the salary cap (to a degree)"

https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/mlb/news/mlb-salary-cap-luxury-tax-nfl-nba-nhlstrugglecontracts/4b84e9dcb056cb3c9685ace1#:~:text=No%2C%20MLB%20does%20not%20have,t%20mind%20paying%20the%20tax.

Basically, it still allows the smaller market teams to compete but also gives competitive teams some cap leeway to make the game more exciting (as big trades/FA signings/// are what the NHL can advertise and make money off it)
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26 mars à 9 h 5
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I think the funniest thing I have seen is people trying to argue Zadorov is a top 4 Dman....

If he was why did Van and CGY use him on the third pair.....

Like the amount of people I see giving him 4+m and putting him in their top 4 is mind boggling


Zadorov on a SC contending team is a third pair Dman


Big good Dcore's are the future.
26 mars à 9 h 34
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Y’all ever have a favorite player struggle nonstop?

Pavel Buchnevich gets every possible bit of good icetime, goes to the net, hunts the puck, shoots with creativity, plays responsibly.

Alexey Toropchenko has more 5v5 goals playing 12 minutes a game with 60% defensive zone starts.

Buchnevich does not have 10 5v5 goals despite being a primary wing for one of the best playmakers in the league (Robert Thomas consistently leading in primary assist quantity and quality).

Is frustrating and I feel bad for him. I hope he gets mad, uses it as fuel the remainder of the season. If not, please reduce his icetime to 16-18 min and give somebody else a shot at offense, thx.
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26 mars à 12 h 58
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Quoting: HockeyScotty
Big good Dcore's are the future.


In his case hes established himself as a 3rd pair on a championship team. Nothing wrong with that but if he's playing top 4 there's a lack of depth


Like if your adding him its to make a big nice third pair
26 mars à 13 h 2
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
I think what NorthernLeafsFan05 was the NBA format of salary cap, not the unlimited on the MLB has:

"So, even though NBA owners can't spend unlimited money like MLB owners can, they can still go over the salary cap (to a degree)"

https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/mlb/news/mlb-salary-cap-luxury-tax-nfl-nba-nhlstrugglecontracts/4b84e9dcb056cb3c9685ace1#:~:text=No%2C%20MLB%20does%20not%20have,t%20mind%20paying%20the%20tax.

Basically, it still allows the smaller market teams to compete but also gives competitive teams some cap leeway to make the game more exciting (as big trades/FA signings/// are what the NHL can advertise and make money off it)


Even with a luxary tax many teams will still become OP. Look at Golden State. They were and still be 83m over the NBA cap

Imagine that in the NHL, sure its expensive for ownership but do they care no. He actually has plans to spend more.

Only 1 NBA team is under both tax thresholds rn and its Utah.



Smaller market teams still struggle. Sure there are some being forced to spend lots of money but its not sustainable just as Milwaukee bucks. All to make their star happy they are spending more than they want to rn as if not he is threatening to leave.

As said before introducing that kind of system would allow the big market teams to become OP and the smaller market teams to struggle. Larger market teams would outbid the smaller ones due to a multitude of factors.

If the NHL did this 5 or 6 teams would disappear due to player retention issues and not being able to keep up with the pay structure. With some teams already have ticket issues last thing they want is this.
26 mars à 13 h 7
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Quoting: aadoyle
Even with a luxary tax many teams will still become OP. Look at Golden State. They were and still be 83m over the NBA cap

Imagine that in the NHL, sure its expensive for ownership but do they care no. He actually has plans to spend more.

Only 1 NBA team is under both tax thresholds rn and its Utah.



Smaller market teams still struggle. Sure there are some being forced to spend lots of money but its not sustainable just as Milwaukee bucks. All to make their star happy they are spending more than they want to rn as if not he is threatening to leave.

As said before introducing that kind of system would allow the big market teams to become OP and the smaller market teams to struggle. Larger market teams would outbid the smaller ones due to a multitude of factors.

If the NHL did this 5 or 6 teams would disappear due to player retention issues and not being able to keep up with the pay structure. With some teams already have ticket issues last thing they want is this.


The NBA format in the NHL would work because it's a soft cap that adds up quickly and stops somewhere, teams can't pull a Dodgers and keep spending... They have to stop roughly 15% above the cap which works for both sides in a small cap...

It also puts less pressure on the NHL to raise the cap and keeps the bigger market teams happy
26 mars à 13 h 9
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
The NBA format in the NHL would work because it's a soft cap that adds up quickly and stops somewhere, teams can't pull a Dodgers and keep spending... They have to stop roughly 15% above the cap which works for both sides in a small cap...

It also puts less pressure on the NHL to raise the cap and keeps the bigger market teams happy


Did u not read what I said above

Golden State is 83m over the NBA cap, they are taxed heavily but they do not care.

83m is basically the entire NHL cap rn.

Think if NHL teams were allowed to go over the NHL cap

Rn for this season for an NBA team to hit the luxary tax threshold they would need to spend 171m

30m more than 141m.

Then they get 2 more aprons and can go beyond first is at 38m and the second is 48m. But even with the second you can go above it your just taxed more but for the owners they dont care.
26 mars à 13 h 9
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Quoting: aadoyle
Did u not read what I said above

Golden State is 83m over the NBA cap


And the NBA salary cap is at like 136 million dollars

It's all about perspective

Edit: Just checked, the salary cap is at 136 million dollars and the Dubs have spent 202 million... roughly 68 million dollars over the cap in the worse luxury tax possible

Roughly 30% over the cap which would be 108 mill cap hit which is roughly the same as the current VGK (joking here, but still; a 15% soft cap with luxury tax would work well)
26 mars à 13 h 15
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
And the NBA salary cap is at like 136 million dollars

It's all about perspective

Edit: Just checked, the salary cap is at 136 million dollars and the Dubs have spent 202 million... roughly 68 million dollars over the cap in the worse luxury tax possible

Roughly 30% over the cap which would be 108 mill cap hit which is roughly the same as the current VGK (joking here, but still)


Your missing the point its not perspective

If we introduce a soft cap teams like TOR, MTL, and NYR will become OP

They will do what the Warriors have done and go way over the cap and become a problem. They wont care for the Luxary tax for a chance to win. We see that with many good NBA teams already

Rn for this season for an NBA team to hit the luxury tax threshold they would need to spend 171m

30m more than 141m.

Then they get 2 more aprons and can go beyond first is at 38m and the second is 48m over. But even with the second you can go above it your just taxed more but for the big market owners they dont care.

Rn in the NHL highest a team has gone over the cap is 14m. Amplify that by 40 and things are gonna get ugly fast
 
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