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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #4: Deadline is Approaching

8 mars à 15 h 17
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Leafs got Dewar! One of the guys I really wanted, believe I had previously called him one of the sneakiest additions a contender could make for their bottom 6. Love it
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8 mars à 15 h 21
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This Hertl trade is so ****ing bad
The thirds are going to VGK not SJS.

There has to be more to SJ or something missing otherwise this is just plain bad.
8 mars à 15 h 22
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This Hertl trade is so ****ing bad


Vegas masterclass, I'd be pissed as a Sharks fan
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8 mars à 15 h 23
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Retention for 7 years is a first yeah?

That’s so many years….
8 mars à 15 h 24
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Quoting: CantStopWontStop
Retention for 7 years is a first yeah?


Yes
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8 mars à 15 h 26
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Yes


Actually maybe not, OEL had long term retention (though that was 990k retained), we've also seen multiple long term retention now with Phil Kessel, EK, Burns
8 mars à 15 h 27
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Yes


Considering you get a 4th for 1 year of that kind of retention, Sharks just gave up 6 4th round picks.
8 mars à 15 h 27
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Leafs got Dewar! One of the guys I really wanted, believe I had previously called him one of the sneakiest additions a contender could make for their bottom 6. Love it


Nice 24 year old to

What we give
8 mars à 15 h 28
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Nice 24 year old to

What we give


2026 4th
8 mars à 15 h 29
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2026 4th


That's it nice
8 mars à 15 h 31
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That's brutal. They retained 1.7 Million for 7 years on top of it.


Hertl's deal is gonna age poorly.
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8 mars à 15 h 32
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Hertl's deal is gonna age poorly.


At 6.5? What do you expect for that money? He has to seriously regress for that deal to be bad.
8 mars à 15 h 32
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Vegas masterclass, I'd be pissed as a Sharks fan


I’m
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Happy.

But hey I’ll take some peoples words of advice then you’re never getting more for that contract as it looks like a Vlasic-esque deal in the back half.
8 mars à 15 h 33
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
At 6.5? What do you expect for that money? He has to seriously regress for that deal to be bad.


No no I meant his original deal at over 8M per
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8 mars à 15 h 33
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I’m
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But hey I’ll take some peoples words of advice then you’re never getting more for that contract as it looks like a Vlasic-esque deal in the back half.


I mean he'll only be 37 and he's still a PPG player. There's almost zero chance it becomes as bad as Vlasic's contract.
8 mars à 15 h 35
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
I mean he'll only be 37 and he's still a PPG player. There's almost zero chance it becomes as bad as Vlasic's contract.


Mate, Hertl has never been a PPG player on a consistent basis, I got no reason to believe he'll be even close to that at 37
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8 mars à 15 h 36
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I mean he'll only be 37 and he's still a PPG player. There's almost zero chance it becomes as bad as Vlasic's contract.


The fact you said there’s almost a zero percent chance makes you look like you’re just hating to hate.

I’m literally cheering for Hertl to win 2+ cups.

But Hertls having his 3rd? knee surgery. And he’s also not a PPG player. I love him and he’s a 1C in my eyes but 37 for a guy who’s already had 3 knee surgery’s isn’t a zero % chance (and there was no obvious play this year that made you think Hertls knee was shot again).
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8 mars à 15 h 37
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The fact you said there’s almost a zero percent chance makes you look like you’re just hating to hate.

I’m literally cheering for Hertl to win 2+ cups.

But Hertls having his 3rd? knee surgery. And he’s also not a PPG player. I love him and he’s a 1C in my eyes but 37 for a guy who’s already had 3 knee surgery’s isn’t a zero % chance (and there was no obvious play this year that made you think Hertls knee was shot again).


He's not an actual 1C
8 mars à 15 h 38
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The fact you said there’s almost a zero percent chance makes you look like you’re just hating to hate.

I’m literally cheering for Hertl to win 2+ cups.

But Hertls having his 3rd? knee surgery. And he’s also not a PPG player. I love him and he’s a 1C in my eyes but 37 for a guy who’s already had 3 knee surgery’s isn’t a zero % chance (and there was no obvious play this year that made you think Hertls knee was shot again).


Vlasic was a DFD when the game was much slower in the early 10's. The game has massively evolved and that's why he regressed as much as he did. He's similar to Alzner who went from a good top 4, to our of the NHL within 2 years. The game simply evolved past him. You do bring up a good point about Hertl's knee surgery, but he's never been a fast player and his game has never revolved around his speed.
8 mars à 15 h 42
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Vlasic was a DFD when the game was much slower in the early 10's. The game has massively evolved and that's why he regressed as much as he did. He's similar to Alzner who went from a good top 4, to our of the NHL within 2 years. The game simply evolved past him. You do bring up a good point about Hertl's knee surgery, but he's never been a fast player and his game has never revolved around his speed.


Speed has been apart of Hertls game just not in the way of foot speed and when you say it doesn’t your simply wrong.

Hertl is a play driver. He forces his way through puck battles physically and wins battles and his foot work and speed helps him often. He’s not fast like a Kyrou, not even close to fast. But his play stule heavily revolves around his movement ability and strength on his skates. He needs to have fast footwork and edges and be strong on his feet. And he often uses what speed he has to help drive plays down the wall and in tight to force defenders to either break or commit and then try’s to win the 1on1 battle.
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8 mars à 15 h 47
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Is Vegas absolutely brilliant never trading their actual 1st round pick: always trading the selected player?

If you’re gonna do it either way, the later option seems the better option. Gets deals done.
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8 mars à 15 h 49
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Wow what an uneventful TDL.

Unless I missed a big trade
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8 mars à 15 h 50
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And now Grier is trading Okho to the flames..
8 mars à 15 h 51
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Wow what an uneventful TDL.

Unless I missed a big trade


I wouldn't call Hertl moving "uneventful"
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8 mars à 15 h 55
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
It's a shock, but I don't think Hertl is really that good


He gave me heart palpitations more than once. Him and Pavelski.

I guess this means Stephenson walks to UFA in the summer.
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