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13 janv. à 22 h 7
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No way Robertson doesn't get back in tomorrow, right? B2B and Bertuzzi (1 shift) and Knies (3 shifts) barely touched the ice in the 3rd.


Watch Sheldon Keefe just role the same team with 0 adjustment lul

Robertson had 3 goals last 5 games cant have him in lets put Gregor...

MLSE its time
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13 janv. à 22 h 8
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I was going to say before the Sharks Game - "watch Nylander get no points after signing the big contract".
I kind of figured the Sharks was target practice, so I kept quiet.
Now. Nylander. 2 games. 0 points. -1.

Also, Matthews 2 games. 2 goals/ 2 points. -2.
Tavares 2 games. 0 points. -3
Marner 2 games. 1 assist. +/-0.
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13 janv. à 22 h 10
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Modifié 13 janv. à 22 h 46
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I was going to say before the Sharks Game - "watch Nylander get no points after signing the big contract".
I kind of figured the Sharks was target practice, so I kept quiet.
Now. Nylander. 2 games. 0 points. -1.

Also, Matthews 2 games. 2 goals/ 2 points. -2.
Tavares 2 games. 0 points. -3
Marner 2 games. 1 assist. +/-0.


In general got to love Keefe's adjustments instead of shifting lines and stuff just shove 3 of these guys together despite them struggling and hope they score

The man is allergic to adjustment. Third line was flying out there and Keefe just regulating there shifts and shoving the big 4 out OVER AND OVER

And I know people want to go Darko on the refs dont, just dont, the damage was done before
13 janv. à 22 h 21
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True but Buffalo and defense be optional this year

He has put up good defensive numbers with them before

Would risk


With that contract? The asset cost would need to be low
13 janv. à 22 h 44
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Give me Martin Pospisil
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13 janv. à 22 h 50
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13 janv. à 22 h 56
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https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1746369056146387433

I'm not gonna blame the refs for the end result but....WHAT

I knew yall blind but stupid to Jesus'

And then nobody on that team sticking up for him wtf we doing. Last time that happened against LAK the Leafs rushed the guy who did it. Tonight crickets at least McCabe did some sort of response
13 janv. à 23 h 0
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https://twitter.com/lukefoxjukebox/status/1746377003102576731

So what about our team, this a cry for help or did Keefe indirectly just roast our team

As do we not have Matthews, Marner, JT, and Willy in double digits? And sure maybe he means a Dman but yea not a great look lul
13 janv. à 23 h 38
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Man, looking at the schedule and the teams TOR has to play, this could get ugly real fast.

Like wild card ugly
13 janv. à 23 h 42
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Quoting: MatthewsFan
Man, looking at the schedule and the teams TOR has to play, this could get ugly real fast.

Like wild card ugly


Tampa being as bad as they have been is all that’s been saving them from that
13 janv. à 23 h 45
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Quoting: Messier99
I was going to say before the Sharks Game - "watch Nylander get no points after signing the big contract".
I kind of figured the Sharks was target practice, so I kept quiet.
Now. Nylander. 2 games. 0 points. -1.

Also, Matthews 2 games. 2 goals/ 2 points. -2.
Tavares 2 games. 0 points. -3
Marner 2 games. 1 assist. +/-0.


Making quite the statement based off 3 games. Such a fickle group leaf fans
13 janv. à 23 h 46
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Tampa being as bad as they have been is all that’s been saving them from that


DET is 5-1-1 in there last 7, a win on Sun and they are a point back

Yes, we have 2 games up but still
13 janv. à 23 h 48
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Man, looking at the schedule and the teams TOR has to play, this could get ugly real fast.

Like wild card ugly


So when u think Keefe's gone

VGK fired Gallant in January with a 24-19-6 record. Keefe's rn 21-11-8

As yes its only been 2 games but two multi goal leads blown where your team dominated the first period

0 adjustment as what is he not expecting the teams not to push back?

And not rewarding the bottom 6 who actually looked good these past two

Holmberg was having the best 2 games of his life and u dont put him in the top 6 to maybe create a spark and instead in a classic Keefe move shove Nylander with Matthews and Marner who also didnt look good tonight


Gimmie Berube
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13 janv. à 23 h 50
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And I’m sorry but to each their own, but how anyone wants to extend Tavares for another 5-6 seasons is absolutely nuts.
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13 janv. à 23 h 51
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So when u think Keefe's gone

VGK fired Gallant in January with a 24-19-6 record. Keefe's rn 21-11-8

As yes its only been 2 games but two multi goal leads blown where your team dominated the first period

0 adjustment as it seems Keefe is allergic to when a team pushes back

And not rewarding the bottom 6 who actually looked good these past two

Holmberg was having the best 2 games of his life and u dont put him in the top 6 to maybe create a spark and instead in a classic Keefe move shove Nylander with Matthews and Marner who also didnt look good tonight


Gimmie Berube


The thought of reuniting Craig Berube with Mike Van Ryn makes me 🤢

I’m a no with that one
13 janv. à 23 h 53
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Modifié 13 janv. à 23 h 59
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The thought of reuniting Craig Berube with Mike Van Ryn makes me 🤢

I’m a no with that one


Is Ryn running the PK or is it the guy from the Canes

Cause if hes doing defense just swap him and Malhotra and have the Canes guy run defense and PK


But at this point Berube is what they need. A hard head old school coach who took the Blues on the run of a century to win the cup for the first time since 1967

And his team philosophy is what we need rn: rough, tough, and check hard, be defensively sound, play hard and score goals.

Its destiny
13 janv. à 23 h 53
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DET is 5-1-1 in there last 7, a win on Sun and they are a point back

Yes, we have 2 games up but still


Yeah I mean up to this point. It’s been not great
13 janv. à 23 h 59
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Is Ryn running the PK or is it the guy from the Canes

Cause if hes doing defense just swap him and Malhotra and have the Canes guy run defense and PK


But at this point Berube is what they need. A hard head old school coach who took the Blues on the run of a century to win the cup for the first time since 1967

Its destiny


Mike Van Ryn runs the Dcore (even to the point of telling Keefe to put McCabe out on 3v3)

I have zero confidence in Mike Van Ryn outside of someone finally taking the training wheels off Liljegren
14 janv. à 0 h 0
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Treliving won't make a move unless it gets really dicey. They'll probably bounce back tomorrow and hopefully get back on track. It's clear this defence isn't good enough though. Especially against MacKinnon. TO doesn't have enough on the Blueline to win a cup right now. Definitely have the forwards but additions are needed. Treliving needs to get this sorted quicker than I think he's capable of.
14 janv. à 0 h 2
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Modifié 14 janv. à 0 h 12
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Mike Van Ryn runs the Dcore (even to the point of telling Keefe to put McCabe out on 3v3)

I have zero confidence in Mike Van Ryn outside of someone finally taking the training wheels off Liljegren


I dont mind McCabe out here and there as in that NYI game Rielly did take a big hit the final 3 mins and as we saw before when u do Matthew-Marner-Rielly if Matthews loses the faceoff Rielly aint the best defender. Would prefer though Liligren would say that but McCabe when hes not trying to replicate saucer passes like what Van did its fine. But then again the whose McCabe thing was a bit offputting as Justin Bourne wrote in his article

Anyways Ryn should go to the outside and give Dean Chynoweth full control. Put Malhotra back in
14 janv. à 0 h 3
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So when u think Keefe's gone

VGK fired Gallant in January with a 24-19-6 record. Keefe's rn 21-11-8

As yes its only been 2 games but two multi goal leads blown where your team dominated the first period

0 adjustment as what is he not expecting the teams not to push back?

And not rewarding the bottom 6 who actually looked good these past two

Holmberg was having the best 2 games of his life and u dont put him in the top 6 to maybe create a spark and instead in a classic Keefe move shove Nylander with Matthews and Marner who also didnt look good tonight


Gimmie Berube


Should have happened in the off season. Now it's tricky. Berube is a hack, he is way passed his expiration date. I don't know who would be best but Keefe's not the guy. Berube and Woodcroft are also just not good. Need someone like Cooper.
14 janv. à 0 h 9
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Treliving won't make a move unless it gets really dicey. They'll probably bounce back tomorrow and hopefully get back on track. It's clear this defence isn't good enough though. Especially against MacKinnon. TO doesn't have enough on the Blueline to win a cup right now. Definitely have the forwards but additions are needed. Treliving needs to get this sorted quicker than I think he's capable of.


In general if we look at the goals you cant really blame the Dcore but more so the entire team or certain superstars

goals 1 was the entire team stopped playing after Kampf was gonna be called for a high stick. Avs even handed them the puck and they went we dont want it lul ok I score

goal 2 was just Matthews handing it to Girard like he had room to clear just makes an awful pass

goal 3 will give yah defensive coverage was **** and after a solid PK no less.

goal 4 is conflicting as there is an image of Drouin picking our Dman like Holl did back in the playoffs once that lead to a penalty

https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/1746364347197051384

5 is ENG wont dive deep

Even if we added the best Dman if that stuff happens its going in the back of the net.

It was basically a perfect mirror of what happened the NYI game


The coach rn I feel is the issue these past two games along with star engagement

Why is is were playing great first periods then getting absolutely shat on the final 40? Like this was almost predictable

The thing we see the other team adjusts their play and comes at us but Keefe does not respond. Even with the best Dcore out there result might not change.

And yes I know what Manson did but it was 3-3 before that

A RD and moving Benoit to the third pair to give Gio rest would be a nice start but this team needs a wakeup and I think Keefe may have to go
14 janv. à 0 h 16
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Should have happened in the off season. Now it's tricky. Berube is a hack, he is way passed his expiration date. I don't know who would be best but Keefe's not the guy. Berube and Woodcroft are also just not good. Need someone like Cooper.


To be fair last offseason had nobody besides one guy who allowed **** to happen with the Hawks. Now we got 2 good options available for Keefe replacements

Woodcraft is a nice HC candidate as look at his last two playoffs.

First year HC: Beat out Todd McLellan (vet HC) and his LAK's, beat out Sutter and the Flames, and had a score fest on Bednar with the Avs but lost in 4, following year beat Todd McLellan again, and took Cassidy's VGK to 6 games

Keefe's record

Lost in 5 to CBJ (Outcoached)
Lost in 7 to MTL (3-1 lead blown and got outcoached by Ducharme of all people)
Lost in 7 to TBL (Cooper was better will give him that)
Won in 6 to TBL (Some would say Luck), Lost to FLA in 5 (no adjustments)

Hes not the worst option to consider when we look at his first two year playoff record

But still I prefer Berube we need a guy whose won and will bring a tougher voice into the room. As Keefe feels like hes borderline lost the room and his 0 adjustments be a major issue rn
14 janv. à 0 h 30
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Gonna give Keefe adjustment lessons

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Domi-Marner
Robertson-JT-Jarnkrok
Holmberg-Kampf-McMann

Rielly-Brodie
McCabe-Liligren
Lagesson-Benoit
14 janv. à 0 h 34
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Quoting: aadoyle
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Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of Berube? I'm sick of looking at track record when it comes to coaches. Berube isn't the guy we need, I personally think Evason would be the better guy to go after if thats the kind of coach we want.

Keefe isn't leaving for better or worse. He's a safe option for a GM just starting off in his new job.
 
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